Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey everyone this is actually my first post- I am 5'10, 145 (female). I've kept a pretty clean diet for about 2 months now for the purpose of losing body fat, lifting hard 3 x/wk. with cardio 3 x/wk (30 min.) . I'm not a bodybuilder, but I do fitness shoots so I need to look more cut, and my body fat's too high to see my muscle well. I'm never gonna do AS, but I was thinking T2 + adipo., w/ some guggle, or maybe some clen/cytomel...this would be my first time using anything other than Xenadrine, but I'm in good health. On a side note, has anyone heard anything about usnic acid in pill form? What supps. is it in? thanks.
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diamonddiceclay
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the only things you listed that work are clen and cytomel
CHURCH_BELLS
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All this new time on her hands....
So what are you going to be doing during the 6 to 8 hours you would be normally sleeping?
Actually, as long as you don't do all those items at the same time, you should be good to go. I am particular fond of usnic acid, and it can be still be purchased on the web (let me know if you need some links).
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So what are you going to be doing during the 6 to 8 hours you would be normally sleeping?
Actually, as long as you don't do all those items at the same time, you should be good to go. I am particular fond of usnic acid, and it can be still be purchased on the web (let me know if you need some links).
BELL$
I know of 3 products that contain usnic acid 1)Lipokinetix 2)Eat and Lose(contains 60mg) can be found at http://www.pricespower.com/eat&lose.htm the product is pretty cheap too, atleast last time I looked. 3)Lipogenesis by ICON contains 100mg I think and is sold by Certified Nutrition. Hope this helps.
enrage
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"Usnic acid is a naturally occurring chemical typically found in the Unsnea laevis Nylander (a lichen) native to the Venezuelan Andes mountains1 where the lichen is used by primitive endogenous farmers as an antibiotic. And, not surprisingly, the drug and medical community has been studying the substance for 20 years or so for possible use in a variety of applications.
Most recently, usnic acid, when applied topically, has been found to be quite useful in treating intravaginal genital warts (human papillomavirus lesions),2 being almost 100% effective at destroying the warts when used in conjunction with zinc sulfate. While this is utterly fascinating to the readership, and probably even more so to our promiscuous readers, usnic acid has some other characteristics and uses that I'm sure you'll find a bit more worrisome and more appropriate for a "Consumer Watchdawg" article.
Usnic acid has rather profound antimycobacterial effects against tuberculosis-type organisms3 and its antimitotic (read "stops cell division in its tracks") effects on a cornucopia of biological systems—including humans4—are dangerously intriguing. And yes, much to Duchaine's credit, usnic acid exhibits the characteristics of 2,4-dinitrophenonel (oxidative phosphorylation), at least in vitro against mouse liver mitochondria,5 as it probably penetrates the inner mitochondrial membrane through its lipophilic characteristics.
And since we're speaking of mice and not men (although we can extrapolate the data to men, as mice and men are both mammalian systems), usnic acid has been shown to increase clastogenic (chromosome or gene breaking) action in mouse femur (bone) cells,6 something that I know we all want to avoid unless we're looking forward to osteoporosis, bone cancers, and hip replacement surgery in the near future.
It was also shown in the same study to be a mitodepressive agent, possibly interfering with RNA biosynthesis and causing a marked decrease in "baby erythrocytes" (pre-red blood cells). It's believed that this effect of usnic acid is on the "spindle apparatus" (cell architecture, so to speak) which would put it in a similar category to the noted anticancer drug, Taxol!
Plasma usnic acid levels showed a triexponential elimination with a mean +/- SD terminal half-life of 10.7 +/- 4.6 hr. Peak plasma level (cmax) of 32.5 +/- 6.8 micrograms/ml was achieved in 12.2 +/- 3.8 hr (tmax). Mean absolute bioavailability of usnic acid following oral administration was 77.8%.9 In other words, the body absorbs it rather well, and it hangs around for a long time.
Due to the long half-life and excellent bioavailability of oral usnic acid, it's almost inevitable that no matter what's printed on the warning label on the bottle, someone will overdose and really hurt themselves with this chemical. Also, usnic acid, once inside your bloodstream, is highly protein-bound at a level of approximately 99.2%. Tissue distribution studies of usnic acid undertaken in rats showed that usnic acid was well distributed into well-perfused organs.10 The tissue
lasma ratio in lungs was exceptionally high, which might be advantageous if you have drug-resistant tuberculosis, but this particular property wouldn't help anybody trying to lose fat. In fact, it's readily evident that usnic acid, because it collects in well-perfused organs (heart, liver, kidney, brain, etc.), will most likely manifest symptoms of overdose in these organs. Swell, huh?"
Most recently, usnic acid, when applied topically, has been found to be quite useful in treating intravaginal genital warts (human papillomavirus lesions),2 being almost 100% effective at destroying the warts when used in conjunction with zinc sulfate. While this is utterly fascinating to the readership, and probably even more so to our promiscuous readers, usnic acid has some other characteristics and uses that I'm sure you'll find a bit more worrisome and more appropriate for a "Consumer Watchdawg" article.
Usnic acid has rather profound antimycobacterial effects against tuberculosis-type organisms3 and its antimitotic (read "stops cell division in its tracks") effects on a cornucopia of biological systems—including humans4—are dangerously intriguing. And yes, much to Duchaine's credit, usnic acid exhibits the characteristics of 2,4-dinitrophenonel (oxidative phosphorylation), at least in vitro against mouse liver mitochondria,5 as it probably penetrates the inner mitochondrial membrane through its lipophilic characteristics.
And since we're speaking of mice and not men (although we can extrapolate the data to men, as mice and men are both mammalian systems), usnic acid has been shown to increase clastogenic (chromosome or gene breaking) action in mouse femur (bone) cells,6 something that I know we all want to avoid unless we're looking forward to osteoporosis, bone cancers, and hip replacement surgery in the near future.
It was also shown in the same study to be a mitodepressive agent, possibly interfering with RNA biosynthesis and causing a marked decrease in "baby erythrocytes" (pre-red blood cells). It's believed that this effect of usnic acid is on the "spindle apparatus" (cell architecture, so to speak) which would put it in a similar category to the noted anticancer drug, Taxol!
Plasma usnic acid levels showed a triexponential elimination with a mean +/- SD terminal half-life of 10.7 +/- 4.6 hr. Peak plasma level (cmax) of 32.5 +/- 6.8 micrograms/ml was achieved in 12.2 +/- 3.8 hr (tmax). Mean absolute bioavailability of usnic acid following oral administration was 77.8%.9 In other words, the body absorbs it rather well, and it hangs around for a long time.
Due to the long half-life and excellent bioavailability of oral usnic acid, it's almost inevitable that no matter what's printed on the warning label on the bottle, someone will overdose and really hurt themselves with this chemical. Also, usnic acid, once inside your bloodstream, is highly protein-bound at a level of approximately 99.2%. Tissue distribution studies of usnic acid undertaken in rats showed that usnic acid was well distributed into well-perfused organs.10 The tissue
lasma ratio in lungs was exceptionally high, which might be advantageous if you have drug-resistant tuberculosis, but this particular property wouldn't help anybody trying to lose fat. In fact, it's readily evident that usnic acid, because it collects in well-perfused organs (heart, liver, kidney, brain, etc.), will most likely manifest symptoms of overdose in these organs. Swell, huh?"
enrage
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1) J Ethnopharmacol 1999 Sep;66(3):343-6
2) Minerva Ginecol 1999 Jun;51(6):255-60
3) Eur J Pharm Sci 1998 Apr;6(2):141-4
4) Cell Mol Life Sci 1997 Aug;53(8):667-72
5) Nat Toxins 1996;4(2):96-102
6) J Ethnopharmacol 1991 Jul;33(3):217-20
7) Dermatol Monatsschr 1987;173(4):221-5
8) Contact Dermatitis 1995 Oct;33(4):271-2
9) Drug Metab Dispos 1992 Nov-Dec;20(6):909-11
10) Drug Metabol Drug Interact 1995;12(1):53-63
2) Minerva Ginecol 1999 Jun;51(6):255-60
3) Eur J Pharm Sci 1998 Apr;6(2):141-4
4) Cell Mol Life Sci 1997 Aug;53(8):667-72
5) Nat Toxins 1996;4(2):96-102
6) J Ethnopharmacol 1991 Jul;33(3):217-20
7) Dermatol Monatsschr 1987;173(4):221-5
8) Contact Dermatitis 1995 Oct;33(4):271-2
9) Drug Metab Dispos 1992 Nov-Dec;20(6):909-11
10) Drug Metabol Drug Interact 1995;12(1):53-63
MonStar1023
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nadia-
I am going to be doing something kinda simliar to what your saying your going to stack together.. I am around 5'11" and 235 lbs.. I am going to stack the following..
1 Adipo 3x per day
200 mg. caffeine 3x per day
15 mg. herbal ephedra 3x per day
1 Biotest T2 3x per day
I am definitely thinking that this stack will work wonders for fat-loss.. from what I understand T2 effects your thyroid horomone so I honestly dont think guggul would do too much.
I am going to be doing something kinda simliar to what your saying your going to stack together.. I am around 5'11" and 235 lbs.. I am going to stack the following..
1 Adipo 3x per day
200 mg. caffeine 3x per day
15 mg. herbal ephedra 3x per day
1 Biotest T2 3x per day
I am definitely thinking that this stack will work wonders for fat-loss.. from what I understand T2 effects your thyroid horomone so I honestly dont think guggul would do too much.
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