Bulking PWO and Preworkout

[Sim882]

Ok, I've decided I will seriously try to bulk, and will cut cardio by about 60-70%. I'm not going to be on gear or anything though, but am hoping to gain 5-7 kilos this year of LBM

My question is on PWO.

Basically, I wanted advice on

(1) Should I use whey protein Isolate or hydrolyzed whey protein PWO. I know the latter tastes like shit, so I was going to do the former unless the latter had benefits.

(2) For carbs, should I do 1:2 dextrose/malto or waxy maize instead. So far I have only ever used potatoes, oats or barley as PWO carb source. Given that desiree potatoes have GI of 102, and dextrose 100, are desiree potatoes that much less effective than waxy or malto.

(3) Should I use any skim milk, which I'm aware contains slow digesting casein and lactose, but on the plus side contains insulin growth factors and has high insulin index.

As for Pre-workout, I have the ability to exercise right after eating, and no foods make me uncomfortable while doing weights unless consumed in extreme quantities . Given I'm consuming carbs throughout the day and won't be glycogen depleted at anytime, I'm wondering whether to go
(1) one of oats/wheat/barley + 40 grams whey, right b4 workout ; or
(2) 2 glasses of skim milk + 20 grams whey + banana right b4 workout.

The latter has a higher insulin effect which I thought may be beneficial. I know it has less carbs, but I shouldn't need them to fuel the workout, as I will be eating adequately through the rest of the day

Moreover, I'm wondering whether if I eat say 30 minutes before workout, workout lasts just 1 hr and 15 minutes, I have the shake immediately PWO, whether I really need the high GI carb source PWO as I will already be in a fed state.

What has people's experiences been with the high GI v low GI carb?

THANKS

 

[BIGMIke007]

Ok, I've decided I will seriously try to bulk, and will cut cardio by about 60-70%. I'm not going to be on gear or anything though, but am hoping to gain 5-7 kilos this year of LBM

My question is on PWO.

Basically, I wanted advice on

(1) Should I use whey protein Isolate or hydrolyzed whey protein PWO. I know the latter tastes like shit, so I was going to do the former unless the latter had benefits. I believe hydrolysed is better, but nothing wrong with isolate. The best hydrolysed around with the best (of the worst) taste is probably peptopro (available from proteinfactory),

(2) For carbs, should I do 1:2 dextrose/malto or waxy maize instead. So far I have only ever used potatoes, oats or barley as PWO carb source. Given that desiree potatoes have GI of 102, and dextrose 100, are desiree potatoes that much less effective than waxy or malto.I have always had great results from 50g of glucose with my isolate/hydrolysate IMMEDIATELY after training --- and then a solid meal 40 minutes after that

(3) Should I use any skim milk, which I'm aware contains slow digesting casein and lactose, but on the plus side contains insulin growth factors and has high insulin index.I wouldnt - no need

As for Pre-workout, I have the ability to exercise right after eating, and no foods make me uncomfortable while doing weights unless consumed in extreme quantities . Given I'm consuming carbs throughout the day and won't be glycogen depleted at anytime, I'm wondering whether to go
(1) one of oats/wheat/barley + 40 grams whey, right b4 workout ; or
(2) 2 glasses of skim milk + 20 grams whey + banana right b4 workout.
(1) would be my choice

The latter has a higher insulin effect which I thought may be beneficial. I know it has less carbs, but I shouldn't need them to fuel the workout, as I will be eating adequately through the rest of the day

You are bulking, why dont you include carbs or a sports drink during training

Moreover, I'm wondering whether if I eat say 30 minutes before workout, workout lasts just 1 hr and 15 minutes, I have the shake immediately PWO, whether I really need the high GI carb source PWO as I will already be in a fed state. High GI carbs will restore glycogen more sucessfully

What has people's experiences been with the high GI v low GI carb?

THANKS

Bigmike

 

[Sim882]

One other query, is it worth buying BCAA's and putting 10 grams into the mix

 

[BIGMIke007]

One other query, is it worth buying BCAA's and putting 10 grams into the mix

I would rather drink it during training, mix it into your energy drink.

 

[Sim882]

I would rather drink it during training, mix it into your energy drink.

Thanks, reason why I was asking is Layne Norton, renowned bodybuilder also doing PHD in sports nutrition or something, actually recommends just BCAA's and high GI PWO, and whey a bit later

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks, reason why I was asking is Layne Norton, renowned bodybuilder also doing PHD in sports nutrition or something, actually recommends just BCAA's and high GI PWO, and whey a bit later

What I do that works well is sip on xtend during training....its all bcaas...then usually about 30-60 minutes after a whole food meal...no need for shakes, no need for sugar water during training.......you are much better off with a whole food meal afterwards....whey is junk, digests too quickly, and the sugar spike isnt necessry at all.......just my .02, eat your steak and potatoes, make good lean gains......