Bodybuilder collapses, dies -Sunday, July 23, 2006

[chazk]

This was a rip thread to inform us of a fellow bother that had been layed to rest incase they did not know.

Not a abc after school special or a lyle alzzado interview.

Back to the subject.

May he move onto that big gym in the sky, To spend his after life working out with the legends of that past that inspired him to live out his dreams and for ever Be at peace.

 

[bigrand]

Its not just the increased body mass, its the fact that cardiac muscle hypertrophies just like skeletal muscle. When the heart muscle gets thicker and denser, it becomes less flexable and unable to fill and eject blood properly, so other chambers also grow to compensate, you get pulmonary edema and reverse heart failure (begining with LVH).

 

[Maverick]

My blood pressure is ALWAYS under control you God Damn "Momma's Boy"....

For ONCE in your life, take off your pink dress and put on PANTS.!!!!!!!!!!

For the Billionth damn time:
There is NO health risk if your using the roids in a safe, proper, & intelligent way.
ANYONE can use them if they want too.............................
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGITAMATE USERS & ABUSERS.!!!!!!

just goes to show you how much of a retard you are, you are so uneducated !!!

there is always a risk when you use steroids, how can you say there are none ?

your seriously are a tool.

Im done with you though, I could care less what happens to you

 

[Maverick]

you can use a sword to kill a man... or you can use it to stop a theif...
everything in this world is what you make of it...
so in your world... ...a professional athlete making money has the right to use somthing to improve their overall quality of life... but other people... who have put this same substance into their body... dont share this right... even though they make money some other way (a job)... maintain a healthy family (not all of us go running around crazed trying to fuck everything we see)... may possibly make better choices with their AAS use because they're not trying to set a world record... have better eating habits and overall healthier approaches at their training...
but i guess since the pro gets paid for doing it its ok... that's not feeding into their ego's...
why can't we try to keep up... and be healthy about it? we dont have low self esteem... we just think great of ourselves... and we wouldn't train hard if he didn't beleive in ourselves...
you can be happy with being a worthless punk in life... thats fine with me...
you can have your inferiority... you can match up with the man who trains more intense... (because they can)... you match up with the man who has no fear in his eyes...
sorry but we want the best... i have an ego... damn right... and you would be a slave to your lack of ego

I see your side but I disagree because I feel the professional athletes can take that risk because millons of dollars are on the line, well maybe not that much but alot of money in most cases.

I know what your saying though, I understand that normal people want to better themselves as well.

I just feel it is not worth the risk for us regular folk.

 

[DBBT]

I see your side but I disagree because I feel the professional athletes can take that risk because millons of dollars are on the line, well maybe not that much for some but alot of money.

I know what your saying though, I understand that normal people want to better themselves as well.

I just feel it is not worth the risk for us regular folk.

Really, if you don't have the balls to take it, its not worth it and you're better off keeping clean. If you have the balls to take it, you better have a plan on how and when to stop, too. Everybody's got to stop sometime.

 

[Maverick]

Really, if you don't have the balls to take it, its not worth it and you're better off keeping clean. If you have the balls to take it, you better have a plan on how and when to stop, too. Everybody's got to stop sometime.

not if your name is ronnie coleman

but yes, good post DBBT

 

[silverbackn]

Maverick, you can't become a pro bodybuilder or even a state level overall winner without gear in 99.9999% of cases. For you to say unless you are a pro you shouldn't, most would never see that level without them. We all know what your point is. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of the unfounded things you say and the unfounded things others say when they say there is NO risk from AAS use. That said, use and abuse aren't the same thing. My problem is that you shouldn't come onto a thread about the death of someone and start chastising and pointing fingers, it makes you look like a brat.

 

[Neo22]

you can use a sword to kill a man... or you can use it to stop a theif...
everything in this world is what you make of it...
so in your world... ...a professional athlete making money has the right to use somthing to improve their overall quality of life... but other people... who have put this same substance into their body... dont share this right... even though they make money some other way (a job)... maintain a healthy family (not all of us go running around crazed trying to fuck everything we see)... may possibly make better choices with their AAS use because they're not trying to set a world record... have better eating habits and overall healthier approaches at their training...
but i guess since the pro gets paid for doing it its ok... that's not feeding into their ego's...
why can't we try to keep up... and be healthy about it? we dont have low self esteem... we just think great of ourselves... and we wouldn't train hard if he didn't beleive in ourselves...
you can be happy with being a worthless punk in life... thats fine with me...
you can have your inferiority... you can match up with the man who trains more intense... (because they can)... you match up with the man who has no fear in his eyes...
sorry but we want the best... i have an ego... damn right... and you would be a slave to your lack of ego

You're not understanding what he meant. He's saying theres no point in juicing just to look better bc the risks are not worth the rewards. He's stating unless you NEED to use them to compete and even out the playing field there is no point in taking them. I agree the majority of guys on here have low self esteem which ties in with muscular disformia, thinking your not big enough or have a lil bit of love handles and using something to rid of that shows it.l

 

[Neo22]

My blood pressure is ALWAYS under control you God Damn "Momma's Boy"....

For ONCE in your life, take off your pink dress and put on PANTS.!!!!!!!!!!

For the Billionth damn time:
There is NO health risk if your using the roids in a safe, proper, & intelligent way.
ANYONE can use them if they want too.............................
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGITAMATE USERS & ABUSERS.!!!!!!

You're an idiot. There is health risk regardless of the dosage, ever had your bloodwork done while on cycle?? PROBABLY NOT

 

[maldorf]

Its not just the increased body mass, its the fact that cardiac muscle hypertrophies just like skeletal muscle. When the heart muscle gets thicker and denser, it becomes less flexable and unable to fill and eject blood properly, so other chambers also grow to compensate, you get pulmonary edema and reverse heart failure (begining with LVH).

As far as I know, there has never been a study that showed that AAS causes growth in cardiac muscle cells, just happens in skeletal.

 

[chordz]

Its not just the increased body mass, its the fact that cardiac muscle hypertrophies just like skeletal muscle. When the heart muscle gets thicker and denser, it becomes less flexable and unable to fill and eject blood properly, so other chambers also grow to compensate, you get pulmonary edema and reverse heart failure (begining with LVH).

This happens to athletes wether on gear or not with no difference.

 

[Maverick]

You're an idiot. There is health risk regardless of the dosage, ever had your bloodwork done while on cycle?? PROBABLY NOT

Mr Snakes, you just...............

 

[CO B-man]

Health risks are associated with
Cigarettes
Chewing tobacco
Alcohol
and any kind of drug on the planet. there are health risks eating chicken wings and getting a bone stuck in your damned throat. The longer you just cant let a petty little argument go shows a certain low maturity level. Who cares and may the guy that this thread is really about rest in peace and hopefully those here whining and bieng little cyber tough guys to each other can let your disputes rest in peace because in case you have not noticed. Neither one of you two are winning this childish argument.

 

[mr. snakes]

just goes to show you how much of a retard you are, you are so uneducated !!!

there is always a risk when you use steroids, how can you say there are none ?

your seriously are a tool.

Im done with you though, I could care less what happens to you

I'm VERY educated.!!!! I've read everything i could get my hands on before ever starting roids. In my 2 years of using roids, i've NEVER had a health problem.

Your a FUCKING idiot and your ALWAYS going to be a PUSSY.!!!!!!

I noticed you changed your gay avi. I guess this means you COULDN'T handle the photochopping of it.
The photochopper on the C&C forum was just fucking with you, DON'T take his joke so damn personally.

If you cared about those stupid kids dying in the Zarqawi blast (which i DON'T give a damn), then you do CARE about what happens to me, cause YOUR a pussy. You care about EVERYTHING like a sissy little girl that you are.

I got 3 words for ya "KISS MY ASS"

 

[mr. snakes]

Mr Snakes, you just...............

"KISS MY ASS"

 

[mr. snakes]

You're an idiot. There is health risk regardless of the dosage, ever had your bloodwork done while on cycle?? PROBABLY NOT

Nah, i'm NOT an idiot. I'm a SAINT.!!!!

Side effects have ALWAYS been minor & go away when done with the cycle. Long term side effects apply ONLY to addicts & abusers.

Yup, have had blood work done before. My doctors exact words: "Mr. Snakes you are strong & healthy as a horse"....He's right too

Have a nice day BRO.!

 

[Maverick]

Nah, i'm NOT an idiot. I'm a SAINT.!!!!

Yup, have had blood work done before. My doctors exact words: "Mr. Snakes you are strong & healthy as a horse"....He's right too

Have a nice day BRO.!

this guy is no more then a troll

 

[mr. snakes]

this guy is no more then a troll

I KNOW you DON'T really mean that

By the way, didn't you say before that you were DONE with me.????

 

[Neo22]

Nah, i'm NOT an idiot. I'm a SAINT.!!!!

Side effects have ALWAYS been minor & go away when done with the cycle. Long term side effects apply ONLY to addicts & abusers.

Yup, have had blood work done before. My doctors exact words: "Mr. Snakes you are strong & healthy as a horse"....He's right too

Have a nice day BRO.!

You're making a ludicrous assumption based on what you think will happen. I know of a few people that cannot have kids and are on HRT at the moment all after one cycle. Some people are more sensitive that others and to make an assumption that only addicts and abusers have problems is asinine. You're an addict yourself as are most on this board bc its something that they will always keep going back to.

 

[64Pilot]

Maverick,

I think it is bullshit that you keep fucking around on this RIP thread. Why even come in here anymore(AAS discussion)? You have made your point before, nobody is going to listen, so just chill.. Try not to get people so damn riled up. Im not saying you are the only one at fault, but damn just fucking chill. Who cares about your view? I dont, nor should you care about mine.Let people do as they please, whatever makes them happy

 

[heavy_duty]

WE ALL need to agree to give somebody the red karma on this thread...so who is it gonna be? PM me now.

 

[bigrand]

As far as I know, there has never been a study that showed that AAS causes growth in cardiac muscle cells, just happens in skeletal.

Cardiac myocytes do hypertrophy in presence of androgens.....been shown in several studies......just never studied to the extend in which we need it.
Exercise makes both cardio muscle and skeletal muscle grow, with or without androgens....androgens speed up the process in skeletal.......the question is does it in cardiac? There have been studies that show this, but nothing concrete (various changes in how the myocardium is fed blood on AAS versus off is an example of a study i read).

Im concerned about this most becasue LVH is uncorrectable, lipids levels are, as is about everything else with AAS.

 

[theprofessor]

I see your side but I disagree because I feel the professional athletes can take that risk because millons of dollars are on the line, well maybe not that much but alot of money in most cases.

I know what your saying though, I understand that normal people want to better themselves as well.

I just feel it is not worth the risk for us regular folk.

millions of dollars is far from the truth with bodybuilding... yes... other sports do have that incentive... but only the top bodybuilders make a good living off the sport... and not even decent compared to other pro sports...
being pro bodybuilder is not worth the risk... that i can say... most have to use rediculous amounts... and dont even make enough money to live off
being a strong... healthy... well rounded individual who uses AAS ...that... to me... and many others... is definately worth the very slight risks...
risks... that imo... are no more than the risks such as speeding... less risk than drunk driving (not that i even dring, just an example)... less risk than stepping into a boxing ring (somthing you can relate to i hope)... less risk than many things that people do everyday... if intelegence is used..........
end of story

 

[theprofessor]

You're not understanding what he meant. He's saying theres no point in juicing just to look better bc the risks are not worth the rewards. He's stating unless you NEED to use them to compete and even out the playing field there is no point in taking them. I agree the majority of guys on here have low self esteem which ties in with muscular disformia, thinking your not big enough or have a lil bit of love handles and using something to rid of that shows it.l

not everyone just juices to look better... but still... if done intelegently... the risks are minimal compared to many things people to daily...
you dont have to have low self esteem to want to better yourself...
im a little cocky... so fucking what... alpha male here... and if i can get even stronger and faster and jump higher and punch harder... fuck yes im going to inject a little test... it can only hurt the fool who dosnt know what he's doing...

 

[chazk]

Maverick from the pics you have posted of your self it's safe to say you will never step on a stage and ever compete not even in a novice natural contest you just dont have the genetics sorry bud.You relized that long ago and gave up .No matter how many types or how much steroids you use maverick you will never look like any of us weightlifters/bodybuilders.So please do not tell us what to do and what not to do.You have never used steroids so do not try and educate people on the subject .

Thank you.

 

[theprofessor]

Maverick from the pics you have posted of your self it's safe to say you will never step on a stage and ever compete not even in a novice natural contest you just dont have the genetics sorry bud.You relized that long ago and gave up .No matter how many types or how much steroids you use maverick you will never look like any of us weightlifters/bodybuilders.So please do not tell us what to do and what not to do.You have never used steroids so do not try and educate people on the subject .

Thank you.

he isnt a bodybuilder though... not everyone here is...
he's a fighter/athlete ... one that will probably never meet his full potential...lol

 

[digit0x]

I see your side but I disagree because I feel the professional athletes can take that risk because millons of dollars are on the line, well maybe not that much but alot of money in most cases.

I know what your saying though, I understand that normal people want to better themselves as well.

I just feel it is not worth the risk for us regular folk.

1. Its pretentious to think there is only one group of people that deserve to use steroids.

2. You don't need steroids to make it as a pro athlete.

3. Think about what you're saying. Its ok to do steroids to make money. That to me sounds like the last reason you should use them.

4. You're only looking at the extrinsic benefit of steroids. Most people use them for intrinsic value, not for money.

Yes, there are risks to using steroids, but ask the veterans. Proper educated use is not harmful short-term or long-term. When used properly, AAS can be a life enriching endeavour.

 

[athlete.03]

Sad as fuck and also a good lesson. From this thread at the aboslute least, the man didn't die in vain.

 

[Neo22]

not everyone just juices to look better... but still... if done intelegently... the risks are minimal compared to many things people to daily...
you dont have to have low self esteem to want to better yourself...
im a little cocky... so fucking what... alpha male here... and if i can get even stronger and faster and jump higher and punch harder... fuck yes im going to inject a little test... it can only hurt the fool who dosnt know what he's doing...

I totally agree with you, why not be better at what you do. I'm mainly stating the point that you take a inherent risk when shutting down your endo system for any period of time.

 

[Maverick]

Maverick from the pics you have posted of your self it's safe to say you will never step on a stage and ever compete not even in a novice natural contest you just dont have the genetics sorry bud.You relized that long ago and gave up .No matter how many types or how much steroids you use maverick you will never look like any of us weightlifters/bodybuilders.So please do not tell us what to do and what not to do.You have never used steroids so do not try and educate people on the subject .

Thank you.

I dont want to be a bodybuilder, I am an athlete.

thank you

 

[theprofessor]

1. Its pretentious to think there is only one group of people that deserve to use steroids.

2. You don't need steroids to make it as a pro athlete.

3. Think about what you're saying. Its ok to do steroids to make money. That to me sounds like the last reason you should use them.

4. You're only looking at the extrinsic benefit of steroids. Most people use them for intrinsic value, not for money.

Yes, there are risks to using steroids, but ask the veterans. Proper educated use is not harmful short-term or long-term. When used properly, AAS can be a life enriching endeavour.

^^^

 

[heavy_duty]

Sorry bitches but I have to give RED Karma to everybody who disrespected Anthony D'Arezzo by turning the thread toward them and away from him

Who gives a shit if you’re a bodybuilder, an athlete or a street walker? This AINT ABOUT YOU!!!

 

[mr. snakes]

You're making a ludicrous assumption based on what you think will happen. I know of a few people that cannot have kids and are on HRT at the moment all after one cycle. Some people are more sensitive that others and to make an assumption that only addicts and abusers have problems is asinine. You're an addict yourself as are most on this board bc its something that they will always keep going back to.

I DISAGREE with your point of view. I'm NOT an addict. If i did a cycle and decided NEVER to come off it, then i would be a addict. But, thanks for your input anyways.

 

[mr. snakes]

Maverick from the pics you have posted of your self it's safe to say you will never step on a stage and ever compete not even in a novice natural contest you just dont have the genetics sorry bud.You relized that long ago and gave up .No matter how many types or how much steroids you use maverick you will never look like any of us weightlifters/bodybuilders.So please do not tell us what to do and what not to do.You have never used steroids so do not try and educate people on the subject .

Thank you.

100% AGREES.!!!!! Do not tell us what to do and what not to do.You have NEVER used steroids so DON'T try and educate people on the subject cause you DON'T know shit ................................

 

[mr. snakes]

Sorry bitches but I have to give RED Karma to everybody who disrespected Anthony D'Arezzo by turning the thread toward them and away from him

Who gives a shit if you’re a bodybuilder, an athlete or a street walker? This AINT ABOUT YOU!!!

"NOBODY" on this thread has disrespected Anthony D'Arezzo ...................

 

[mr. snakes]

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Maverick,

I think it is bullshit that you keep fucking around on this RIP thread. Why even come in here anymore(AAS discussion)? You have made your point before, nobody is going to listen, so just chill.. Try not to get people so damn riled up. Im not saying you are the only one at fault, but damn just fucking chill. Who cares about your view? I dont, nor should you care about mine.Let people do as they please, whatever makes them happy

100% AGREES.......DON'T fuck around on this thread. Why even come in here (AAS discussion forum) anymore.??? GO back to the C&C forum.........."NOBODY" in this forum is going to listen to a roid "HATER"............Who cares about your stupid point of view. I sures hell "DON'T" ...........................

 

[Neo22]

I DISAGREE with your point of view. I'm NOT an addict. If i did a cycle and decided NEVER to come off it, then i would be a addict. But, thanks for your input anyways.

DENIAL

 

[Neo22]

Sorry bitches but I have to give RED Karma to everybody who disrespected Anthony D'Arezzo by turning the thread toward them and away from him

Who gives a shit if you’re a bodybuilder, an athlete or a street walker? This AINT ABOUT YOU!!!

You're a cumchugger as I and no one else have said anything negative about the person in question

 

[mr. snakes]

Sorry bitches but I have to give RED Karma to everybody who disrespected Anthony D'Arezzo by turning the thread toward them and away from him

Who gives a shit if you’re a bodybuilder, an athlete or a street walker? This AINT ABOUT YOU!!!

I changed the color on the font so that my posts can still be read by "ANYONE". Bet you DIDN'T count on that dumb "FUCK".

 

[mr. snakes]

You're a cumchugger as I and no one else have said anything negative about the person in question

100% AGREES.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mr. snakes]

DENIAL

DON'T think so.

 

[mr. snakes]

WE ALL need to agree to give somebody the red karma on this thread...so who is it gonna be? PM me now.

Thats it. Keep wasting your karma hits with your short term nuke bombs. Keep wasting it all the way until your karma hits reads ZERO. That would be ironic, cause you are a ZERO. LOL

By the way, HAVE A NICE DAY.

 

[mr. snakes]

Can one of you vets/mods lock this thread so that we can finally be DONE with it.???

DBBT i saw you post up a few pages ago, Can you lock this thread.???
Or do we need someone like MR. X .???

 

[CO B-man]

Health risks are associated with
Cigarettes
Chewing tobacco
Alcohol
and any kind of drug on the planet. there are health risks eating chicken wings and getting a bone stuck in your damned throat. The longer you just cant let a petty little argument go shows a certain low maturity level. Who cares and may the guy that this thread is really about rest in peace and hopefully those here whining and bieng little cyber tough guys to each other can let your disputes rest in peace because in case you have not noticed. Neither one of you two are winning this childish argument.

Heavy duty, Why did you give me a bomb because of this post??

 

[gjohnson5]

That sucks. I am definitely 205 and 6ft. Not obese by any means though. 10% BF right now.

BMI does not factor in body fat percentage...

 

[heavy_duty]

my bad bro, i gave some green in another post today.

Heavy duty, Why did you give me a bomb because of this post??

 

[mr. snakes]

WE ALL need to agree to give somebody the red karma on this thread...so who is it gonna be? PM me now.

Your little black bomb, "USELESS". Your red nuke bomb, "USELESS". You COULDN'T stop me if you were holding a gun to my fucking head.......

By the way, i'm VERY aware that the person in question is gone. R.I.P.
You keep reminding me like you think i have some sort of fucking memory loss problem or some shit.............. "GOD FUCKING DAMN IT"


"GOOD DAY"