Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignore...

[psychedout]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

where do you get yours done?

Local doctor. I am a bit skeptical of the online steroid doctors after the whole DrJMW incident.

 

[Guvna]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

Local doctor. I am a bit skeptical of the online steroid doctors after the whole DrJMW incident.

How do you convince him that you need blood test 4x a year? Does he know you are on AS?

I can get blood tests done once a year or so for free from my local doc, but not 4 times, and not a lot of the tests I want. Any advice?

 

[psychedout]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

How do you convince him that you need blood test 4x a year? Does he know you are on AS?

I can get blood tests done once a year or so for free from my local doc, but not 4 times, and not a lot of the tests I want. Any advice?

Well first of all, its a she. :. Second of all, yes she knows. Third of all, in Canada health care is free, so I am not sure what the deal is in the US. You might have to pay.

 

[psychedout]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

1: Br Med J (Clin Res Ed). 1986 Feb 22;292(6519):515-9. Related Articles, Links


High density lipoprotein cholesterol is not a major risk factor for ischaemic heart disease in British men.

Pocock SJ, Shaper AG, Phillips AN, Walker M, Whitehead TP.

The concentration of high density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL cholesterol) in serum was measured at initial examination in a large prospective study of men aged 40-59 drawn from general practices in 24 British towns. After an average follow up of 4.2 years 193 cases of major ischaemic heart disease had been registered in 7415 men in whom both HDL cholesterol and total cholesterol values had been measured. The mean HDL cholesterol concentration was lower in the men with ischaemic heart disease ("cases") compared with other men, but the difference became small and non-significant after adjustment for age, body mass index, blood pressure, cigarette smoking, and concentration of non-HDL cholesterol. The higher mean concentration of non-HDL cholesterol in "cases" remained highly significant after adjustment for other factors. Men in the highest fifth of non-HDL cholesterol values had over three times the risk of major ischaemic heart disease compared with men in the lowest fifth. Multivariate analysis showed that non-HDL cholesterol was a more powerful predictor of risk than the HDL to total cholesterol ratio. These British findings were compared with six other prospective studies. All the larger studies showed similar results, suggesting that HDL cholesterol is not a major risk factor in the aetiology of ischaemic heart disease.

Showing the value of a multivariate analysis when considering any statistical data...

FS

Point taken, but it does not mean that HDL means nothing. It just means its not as important as LDL/VLDL levels.

 

[psychedout]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

But the Israeli study did not support the words of Diet and Health, because total cholesterol, not LDL-cholesterol, had the strongest relationship to risk of coronary disease.

Again, a better predictor, but HDL still is a factor, and one I would consider to be important.

 

[Fukkenshredded]

Psychedout --

Would you answer a few questions, please? This is to help me understand your thinking, okay?

Where, in the hiearchy of causal factors for heart disease, do you place cholesterol levels? (Perhaps you could rank the top ten factors the way you understand them...)

On what authority/experience do you rely on for this faith?

In light of evidence supporting the notion that cholesterol level, in and of itself, is not a causal factor for heart disease until the level reaches hyperlipidity (above 1200 total), what, specifically, has caused your adherance to your current position?

If you would elaborate a bit on your personal experiences and thoughts regarding the above questions, it would really help me to examine my position again with new eyes.

Thank you.

 

[Ulter]

More and more researchers are discovering Chol is not a accurate indicator of furture CAD. Many feel it's the lifestyle of those who have bad lipid profiles that is the cause rather than the Chol itself.
And as I have said repeatedly. Short term flucuations is lipids have never been shown to affect long term CV health. The people here who get all upset because their lipid profiles are messed up on cycle need to calm down. It simply doesn't mean this will have long term health effects.

 

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Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

More and more researchers are discovering Chol is not a accurate indicator of furture CAD. Many feel it's the lifestyle of those who have bad lipid profiles that is the cause rather than the Chol itself.
And as I have said repeatedly. Short term flucuations is lipids have never been shown to affect long term CV health. The people here who get all upset because their lipid profiles are messed up on cycle need to calm down. It simply doesn't mean this will have long term health effects.

good posts fuckenshredded. makes me really wonder quite a bit.

you say short term flucuations will not result in long term health problems. lets suppose i buy this. what does this mean for people like me and you who are part of the year round crowd?

 

[Ulter]

I am part of the "Year round" crowd. My lipid profile is trashed but my stress echo cardiogram is perfect. It's been that way for many years and hasn't had any ill effects on my health. I do take policosanol and nitric acid.

 

[Guvna]

Re: Blood pressure and cholesterol... the worst side effects from AAS, yet many ignor

I am part of the "Year round" crowd. My lipid profile is trashed but my stress echo cardiogram is perfect. It's been that way for many years and hasn't had any ill effects on my health. I do take policosanol and nitric acid.

So what would you consider to be the top indictators of CAD, and where would you put hdl/ldl on that list?