comments like
'yeah i'd like to see what he can do raw or in xxx type shirt' are not very productive.
as louie simmons says, nobody gives a shit what you can do without a shirt anymore.
that being said, my hats off to anyone who can bench a lot raw, but if they are a 500 lb raw bencher and a 525lb shirt bencher, they are just plain foolish and need to spend some time studying the sport.
the equipment is here to stay folks. learning and mastering it is another aspect to the sport. the good news about this is that unlike performance enhancing drugs, everyone has access to equipment so people should spend even less time whining about this topic than the anabolics.
/irish