Big Fuckers with 20 inch arms I Need your input for bigger arms

[iron asylum]

I'm stuck at 19 inches. I'm plateued and I need help. I'm missing somthing and I don't know what. What would your big three exercises for arm mass be and what would your rep/sets be in the range of? For Triceps I'm going to run Close Grip Bench followed by heavy skullcrushers then Pushdowns but not sure what to do for Biceps other than my normal heavy one arm dumbells and Barbell curls. What else would be a good bicep blaster that would force alot of blood into the muscle and still be considered a mass exercise?

 

[dabuffguy]

Do you have a day dedicated solely to arm training?

 

[jacshelb]

Do you have a day dedicated solely to arm training?

x2! I did this starting about 3 months ago or so and my arms have greatly improved since! In the first 6 weeks my arms were up about 1/4" and even as I diet, they are holding size better than before!

Plus, having an arm day gives your body somewhat of a chance to rest a bit, better recovery in the long run.

ps. My arms are nowhere near 20", more like 18" pumped if I'm lucky. But, remember, it's the guys who have a hard time building a muscle group that sometimes know the struggle a bit better!!

 

[joe d]

let me see what your current training looks like and also the arm work outs you use while on other training programs.

 

[fortification]

Try super sets. Do straight bar curls for 10-12 reps to start then after each set do preacher curls for 10-12 reps without resting. continue to increase weight and do 6 supersets minimum. Finish your bicep workout by doing seated alternate dumbell curls for high reps.

 

[GDF]

My arms are only 18" but don't forget heavy preacher curls. They isolate but still allow you to go heavy. You look great btw!

 

[Strongbow]

Standing overhead cable curls and Lying cable curls concentrate on the peak and should get you and extra inch or so. Heavy as possible 4 sets in the 8 to 10 rep range.

 

[Nelson Montana]

My THIGHS are stuck at 19". lol

Seriously, try this: The Bodybuilding Truth by Nelson Montana

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hey I remember Guardian having a sick arm routine. Basically do a heavy set(6-8 reps) then superset it with half the weight for12-15

 

[crulexis]

I Usually focus on REALLY Heavy Preacher bar curls, followed by standing EZ bar Curls, than I go back on the Preacher bench and do heavy one arm curls, and after each set I have a friend pass me a Heavier weight which he helps me get up, and I do negatives for as many reps as I can... The last set of those I hold that heavy weight for a concentration freeze for 15 secs If I can...

The trick is to use a weight you won't be able to lift up on your own, but can slowly bring down
And I don't think this routine should be followed every weak as it's very taxing
My arms are done after that ( Biceps atleast)
For Triceps the thing I like most is Skull crushers on a decline bench

 

[sweed]

Bench and Rows just do your chest and back workouts and then an exercuse or 2 for bi's and tri's and they'll grow. A separate day for them is too much imo.
I would love to get to 20"+
18" on my frame is eh, averrage I guess. Match my my arms with my calves and I'll be happy!

 

[OMEGA]

Bench and Rows just do your chest and back workouts and then an exercuse or 2 for bi's and tri's and they'll grow. A separate day for them is too much imo.
I would love to get to 20"+
18" on my frame is eh, averrage I guess. Match my my arms with my calves and I'll be happy!

did I show you that?

its amazing for those whose bodies fit that training

 

[dabuffguy]

Bench and Rows just do your chest and back workouts and then an exercuse or 2 for bi's and tri's and they'll grow. A separate day for them is too much imo.
I would love to get to 20"+
18" on my frame is eh, averrage I guess. Match my my arms with my calves and I'll be happy!

I disagree.


I always do tri's and bi's after back or chest workouts.

When I have ever gone to dedicating one day to train arms, they have grown much faster, and all my compound lifts when up too, especially on bench.

The reason I don't do this right now is because my arms are proportional to my body.

I firmly believe a day dedicated to arms, aside from your compound lifting days, will always net better arm development.

 

[snorkles]

I disagree.


I always do tri's and bi's after back or chest workouts.

When I have ever gone to dedicating one day to train arms, they have grown much faster, and all my compound lifts when up too, especially on bench.

The reason I don't do this right now is because my arms are proportional to my body.

I firmly believe a day dedicated to arms, aside from your compound lifting days, will always net better arm development.

100% agree with this man. Other compound lifts go really up to when you dedicate a day for arms.

 

[gotballs]

Nothing like a incline db curl. I dont alternate either. Seems to take more energy, or duration. So I explode about 5 sets pf 10 on this exercise

 

[joe d]

a perfect example of how everyone is different. i do not directly work bi's at all ever. i only do a couple sets of rev grip bench or something similar once per wk for direct tri work. im not sure of my bi measurement now becouse of a deal i made to myself lol but i know their well over 20". its all about finding what works for you and thinking outside the box on ways to push the limitors.

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Nothing like a incline db curl. I dont alternate either. Seems to take more energy, or duration. So I explode about 5 sets pf 10 on this exercise

yep this is the money exercise. it kills my bis more than any other exercise by far. also I am surprised no one mentioned chin ups or weighted chin ups

 

[the_alcatraz]

I have 18.5" arms...
What works for me, might not work for you or for anyone else...everyone's different

ONe thing I know, stick with the basics:

barbell curls, cheat curls, alternating dumbell curls, preacher curls - biceps
narrow grip bench, skull crushers, cable press downs, dips - triceps

 

[sweed]

DaBuff I am doing arms 3 time a week, chest twice and back once, the next week vice versa, so they get hit more often.

Omega- Yes thank u!

 

[Unit 2005]

Triceps

Close Grip Bench press 1 x 8, 1 x 8*, 1 x 10#, 1 x 10#*
Seated Overhead DB Extensions 1 x 8, 1 x 8*, 1 x 10#
Dip Machine (weighted dips if not available) 2 x 8, 1 x 12#
One arm cable pressdowns 2 x 10, 2 x 12#

Biceps

Barbell Curls 1 x 8, 1 x 8*, 2 x 10#
Incline DB curls 2 x 8, 1 x 12#
Preacher Curls 1 x 8, 1 x 8* 1 x 12#
Rope Hammer curls 2 x 10, 2 x 12#


* = 2 forced reps
# = Back off set. Lighten the weight up a little and really concentrate on form and forcing as much blood in there as possible.


By far the best arm routine i have ever used!

 

[pbhardbody]

My biceps are 20" +. IMO there are several keys to getting your arms to grow.

1. your tricep is 2/3 of the arm muscle, so if you have decent tris, your arm overall will be bigger.

2. train arms by themselves

3. do heavy sets to failure which should be about 8-12 reps for both tris and bis

4. if you want to grow your bicep, be sure you are training back heavy. a lot of bicep used when
doing seated cable row, low hammer rows, etc.

5. 21s with an ez curl bar are a great exercise to really get an awesome pump. high cables with elbows above
your shoulders will get a nice peak going like StrongMo said. heavy standing dumbell curls work well for me
too.

 

[eClenbuterol]

hey I remember Guardian having a sick arm routine. Basically do a heavy set(6-8 reps) then superset it with half the weight for12-15

Looks good

 

[RADAR]

hey I remember Guardian having a sick arm routine. Basically do a heavy set(6-8 reps) then superset it with half the weight for12-15

A navy seal showed me that one except going 12-15 it was to complete failure,you should be able to put a good half inch on the biceps using this routine.

RADAR

 

[SpyWizard]

alright, here's one i find effective..

limited range that means that during the contraction using straight or ez bar do not allow the muscle to to open but keep it contracted during the exercise..
heavy weight, bent over with your forehead resting (keeping place) on a preachers bench, keeping yourself slightly off balance we don't want to use the rear delts, and contract, limited range..
then the 2nd movement with about 80% of the 1st exercise..
4-6 reps.. no rest, just put the bar down, move to the next
then in the 3rd and final movement 50% and fully open at the top and bottom, this allows blood to enter into the now destroyed muscle at the top and bottom.. 6-8 reps if you can..

so it's like this..

4-6 bent over very limited range keeping the muscle contracted 110%
4-6 limited range standing upright, keeping the muscle contracted 80%
6-8 full range open at the top and fully extend the elbow at the bottom 50%

that's 1 set... do 5 if you can.. be warned there is massive damage done to the muscle group doing this..

 

[lookinfit75]

Heavy cable pulls with a nuetral close grip and any heavy pulling for that matter will kill your biceps AND forearms BUT as someone else mentioned, tris account for a large protion of your over all arm circumference so take a look at your arms and be honest about what is lacking. Eveyone is saying to add bicep exerecises but that might not exactly be your problem. As for tri development, heavy skull crushers, close grip bench press (not going all the way down so as to concentrate on the tris and not the pecs), weighted dips, and cable push downs.
My arms are 20.5" upon waking and slightly over 21" once they are pumped.
Another thing to remember is that over all weight/mass will also determine your arm size. Here's an interesting article about the the truth behind arm sizes and what are determining factors that contribute to over-all arm size.
TMUSCLE.com | Truth About Bodybuilding Arm Measurements

 

[Nomak666]

Heres a routine that worked for me in the past. The last set is always to failure. Im currently off cycle and plan on taking a break from aas for a while, but if you are on cycle, im sure you will see great results with this routine. This routine hits the biceps in all angles, which is what i think the biceps need for maximal growth.

Straight bar curl using a shoulder width grip: 1 set of 8-10 reps with a moderate weight, dont go all out, this is just a warm up, next set, go heavy with a weight you can get 6 reps out of and try to pump out 7 or 8. i had a training partner when i used this routine and he would spot me on 2 more reps after ive reached failure by myself.

Incline Bench DB curl alternating arms back and forth: again first set 8-10 reps with a moderate weight, then go heavy for 6-8. the incline bench helps so that you avoid the swinging from standing db curls.

Next either ez bar curl with the inner grips or v-bar cable curls: 1 set of 8-10 reps, then 1 set to failure (6-8 reps)

single arm preacher curl either with a db on the preacher pad, on the preacher curl machine or with a low cable and an incline bench in front of it: 1 set of 8-10, then set to failure with a weight you can get 6-8 reps with

finally, finish off with incline db hammer curls or rope cable curls: i prefer the rope cuz you can avoid swinging when using dbs: 1 set of 8-10, 1 set to failure (6-8 reps)

if you have a training partner, tell him you are gonna do 6-8 reps, when he sees you struggling, finish that rep and tell him to assist you in 2 more reps without sacrificing too much form. i had 13 inch arms in june 2008, now i have 17 inch arms and im only 5'6. give it a shot if you like, im sure you will see great results with this routine.

 

[cjangelo]

What's wrong with plain old progressive resistance? I don't have 20in arms, so I'm asking. What's wrong with barbell curls, wide-ish grip, adding weight or reps every workout?

 

[Scotsman]

I find direct arm work to be almost useless. I do reverse grip easy bar curls to help my forearms stabilize loads. I occasionally do 3 or 4 sets of dumbell curls but probably not more than once a month. Heavy deads, rows, bench, ohp, cg, and the like do all I need.

Course my arms are only 21.25" cold and over 22" when pumped.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Nomak666]

I find direct arm work to be almost useless. I do reverse grip easy bar curls to help my forearms stabilize loads. I occasionally do 3 or 4 sets of dumbell curls but probably not more than once a month. Heavy deads, rows, bench, ohp, cg, and the like do all I need.

Course my arms are only 21.25" cold and over 22" when pumped.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Well the obvious mass builders for biceps are deadlifts, barbell rows, db rows but direct bicep training does help. the only reason why compound lifts build more mass is because yuo can use alot more weights.

 

[dabuffguy]

Well the obvious mass builders for biceps are deadlifts, barbell rows, db rows but direct bicep training does help. the only reason why compound lifts build more mass is because yuo can use alot more weights.

Very true.

Once I incorporated deadlifts, I saw the light. Within 6 weeks I had stretch marks right from the arm pit til halfway down my biceps. They initially exploded with size.

 

[needtogetaas]

rows rows rows. I will say it till I die. That and the tries make up 80% of arm size so work them

 

[pbhardbody]

rows rows rows. I will say it till I die. That and the tries make up 80% of arm size so work them

I agree. Seated cable rows for back pump your arms like nothin else.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

idk, i deadlift a lot and my arms are only 17". I think genetics is big too, some people just do normal shit and their arms grow like crazy, I think everyone is unique and has their own perks. Mine is being able to eat whatever I want and still stay at 10% BF. My weakness is that my arms dont grow, I was 95lbs in highschool, and my forearms are as big as my calves (almost lol)

 

[iron asylum]

My tricep exercises for mass are spot on for me. Close grip, skullcrushers and french press along with pushdowns. I get a great pump. It sounds like there are so many differant things that work for different people though. I will just stick to the heavy basics
.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

My tricep exercises for mass are spot on for me. Close grip, skullcrushers and french press along with pushdowns. I get a great pump. It sounds like there are so many differant things that work for different people though. I will just stick to the heavy basics
.

yea bro 19" is probably mean u do something right lolol but yea i wouldnt do a bunch of shit i would try one approach out, switch it if it doesnt work so u know exactly what works for you. Write down every workout and keep track so u know exactly what works, something I wish i did a long time ago because i still dont know exactly what works for me

 

[SaiBoT]

My arms and forearms suck

 

[ExtraMile]

I posted this the other day but my post got deleted because it had a swear word in it. Gladiator spoke about the GUARDIAN arm routine but not in much detail, I have a link to it...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/chat-conversation/i-want-19-arms-597412.html#post8208474

I have never tryed this though, and the only person who I know tryed it is the_alcatraz so maybe you should ask him how it went for him. Post #4 on that link is what Im talking about.

 

[the_alcatraz]

DaBuff I am doing arms 3 time a week, chest twice and back once, the next week vice versa, so they get hit more often.

Omega- Yes thank u!

I assure you you're over-training

 

[dabuffguy]

I posted this the other day but my post got deleted because it had a swear word in it.

No, you're posts were deleted because this thread originated in the AAS forum, and you are not allowed to post there. You didn't read why you got the infraction, did you?

 

[iron asylum]

I posted this the other day but my post got deleted because it had a swear word in it. Gladiator spoke about the GUARDIAN arm routine but not in much detail, I have a link to it...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/chat-conversation/i-want-19-arms-597412.html#post8208474

I have never tryed this though, and the only person who I know tryed it is the_alcatraz so maybe you should ask him how it went for him. Post #4 on that link is what Im talking about.

Went to check out Guardians routine and discovered he passed away? What exactly happened to him?

 

[dabuffguy]

Went to check out Guardians routine and discovered he passed away? What exactly happened to him?

He had a heart attack/failure while in his sleep. Couldn't revive him at the hospital.

 

[ExtraMile]

Went to check out Guardians routine and discovered he passed away? What exactly happened to him?

its a shame, I never got to speak to the guy, when I first came here I was a noob and I only trained my bi's and shoulders etc by the time I had started to learn and train properly he was gone

dude I didnt even recognise you in your avi! I only just realised it was you who started this thread!

 

[iron asylum]

its a shame, I never got to speak to the guy, when I first came here I was a noob and I only trained my bi's and shoulders etc by the time I had started to learn and train properly he was gone

dude I didnt even recognise you in your avi! I only just realised it was you who started this thread!

lol...Bit of a change huh? I'm back to my moonfaced self again though. Little better weight distribution on me though.

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol...Bit of a change huh? I'm back to my moonfaced self again though. Little better weight distribution on me though.

I liked you better when you were bulk-ier

 

[iron asylum]

I liked you better when you were bulk-ier

I'm back to bein bulky again. I'm at 230 most likely going back to 250 with what I'm taking again.

 

[lookinfit75]

I'm back to bein bulky again. I'm at 230 most likely going back to 250 with what I'm taking again.

Damn that's a quick rebound. How do you feel at this weight?

 

[garryb]

didnt read though the whole thread but strait bar curls are were your gonna get most of your size, as for difrant excersizes.....

try taking a medium size towel (about 12-18 in long) wind it up like if you were gona snap somone then take a dumbelland put it around the dumbell so it is like a "u" .go to the precher curl bench , dont sit but put the seat all the way dwn and get on your knees, dont put your arm pits all the way dwn on the pads either (leave about an inch or two between) remember to keep your abs and but tight to keep your body in a strait line , you want to be over the dumbell and not roll your shoulders fwd. then curl pausing for a sec at the top. make sure to get the full extension downwards also. what this does is to allow constant tension all the time on the bicept, better than cables. the towel works as like a pendalum.

another one:

grab the rope and go to the row machine, (you may need to add a couple of links so you dont bottom out on the machine) lay almost flat with your arms at a 90*(make sure to keep your shoulders from rolling forwards) and curl ,bringing the rope to your face and at the last minute twist your palms to your face or keep them in a hammer posistion.

another is to grap an adjustable incline bench...(this takes two people or a big ruber band with a washcloth raped aound it. if using a second person you will posistion the bech as if you were to do incline flies(mabe one notch up,just so your slightly posision backwards) grab your dumbells(should be a light to moderate weight 15-25#s mabe more given your strenghth) let your arms hang dwn the second person is gonna take two fingers and place them in the crease of you elbow ,when you curl and hit your buddies fingers you will squeeze his fingers with your bicept for 3 seconds and slowly go back down( the fingers alow your body to focus on contracting your bicept harder than you would just doing a reg curl). you will want to do 3 sets of 15 of these. once you have completed one arm, DO NOT LET GO OF THE WIEGHT, move to the next arm. when your set is complete then drop both sides .


these are just a few that i like to to to get really good pumps.

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[SwitchMan]

the 7ft bar for curls and skull crushers. weighted dips and chins. more deadlifting and sqatting in your routine. That worked for me. At one time my arms were huge. I don't know how big but big enough I want them back. that's how i got them.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I'm back to bein bulky again. I'm at 230 most likely going back to 250 with what I'm taking again.

Damn bro..that's HUGEEE

I'm 200 lbs hoping to get to 230 lbs some day

 

[iron asylum]

Damn bro..that's HUGEEE

I'm 200 lbs hoping to get to 230 lbs some day

I'll post another picture in a few weeks so you all can see where the weight has gone to.

 

[timtim]

you could try alittle synthol if competing at a high level is your goal. just enough to stretch the fascia, nothing overboard. ive seen it work. you need to have someone around who is experienced in using it and can tell where injects would best be placed to bring the bicep up alone. i would avoid hitting the brachialis, that gets the lumpy look. if you dont have someone who can help you, i wouldnt venture into using it solo.

 

[iron asylum]

you could try alittle synthol if competing at a high level is your goal. just enough to stretch the fascia, nothing overboard. ive seen it work. you need to have someone around who is experienced in using it and can tell where injects would best be placed to bring the bicep up alone. i would avoid hitting the brachialis, that gets the lumpy look. if you dont have someone who can help you, i wouldnt venture into using it solo.

I had thought about synthol exactly as you said but I'm to afraid of screwing myself up. I know a guy who could help me with it but I hear the pain is realy fucked up for your workouts. You have to hit the biceps in about 3 or 4 spots to round it out correctly. I'm competing again but not ready to venture into synthol.

 

[timtim]

I had thought about synthol exactly as you said but I'm to afraid of screwing myself up. I know a guy who could help me with it but I hear the pain is realy fucked up for your workouts. You have to hit the biceps in about 3 or 4 spots to round it out correctly. I'm competing again but not ready to venture into synthol.

you might be maxed out on arm size genetically speaking. you could try different massage techniques with ART people.

 

[the_alcatraz]

you could try alittle synthol if competing at a high level is your goal. just enough to stretch the fascia, nothing overboard. ive seen it work. you need to have someone around who is experienced in using it and can tell where injects would best be placed to bring the bicep up alone. i would avoid hitting the brachialis, that gets the lumpy look. if you dont have someone who can help you, i wouldnt venture into using it solo.

Bro, that's the worst advice you can give someone - try synthol?? umm...no please don't.

 

[iron asylum]

you might be maxed out on arm size genetically speaking. you could try different massage techniques with ART people.

That might be my next option. I have been wanting to try having a massage therapist work on my quads to break them up for some growth maybe. If it works why not try it on my biceps as well?

 

[timtim]

Bro, that's the worst advice you can give someone - try synthol?? umm...no please don't.

you must have little experience with fully developed bbers who might want to be successful at nationals or beyond. synthol is in everyones regiment at that level. how they decide to use it or abuse it is their choice. ive seen it done and personally believe that it is very effective. would i use it? no, no need to. but, if this gentleman is maxed out on arm size at 19 inches and he wants to take things as far as he can, done with the proper guidance, he could easily push his arms to 21 or 22 inches without abusing the oil at all.

i wouldnt go into an mma thread and tell you you are giving bad advice. please dont tell me im giving bad advice when im around this stuff and see the way it really works. not everyone is greg valentino and its clear youve never been around people with knowledge of this stuff. it works and the science behind it is solid. tear the fascia, allow contractile units to form in the open space, arms increase in size. i never said load the shit, i said used appropriately.

 

[timtim]

That might be my next option. I have been wanting to try having a massage therapist work on my quads to break them up for some growth maybe. If it works why not try it on my biceps as well?

its expensive. ive had a few ART guys ive used for injuries who were referred to me by bbers. 2 times a week is usually good. right after training that muscle is a perfect time. get ready for some pain. when its over its like an euphoria from the endorphin rush.

 

[the_alcatraz]

you must have little experience with fully developed bbers who might want to be successful at nationals or beyond. synthol is in everyones regiment at that level. how they decide to use it or abuse it is their choice. ive seen it done and personally believe that it is very effective. would i use it? no, no need to. but, if this gentleman is maxed out on arm size at 19 inches and he wants to take things as far as he can, done with the proper guidance, he could easily push his arms to 21 or 22 inches without abusing the oil at all.

i wouldnt go into an mma thread and tell you you are giving bad advice. please dont tell me im giving bad advice when im around this stuff and see the way it really works. not everyone is greg valentino and its clear youve never been around people with knowledge of this stuff. it works and the science behind it is solid. tear the fascia, allow contractile units to form in the open space, arms increase in size. i never said load the shit, i said used appropriately.

I'm telling you it's bad advice...anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding will tell you it's bad advice...

I'm not too sure what you meant with that underhanded comment about coming into mma threads, but I wont make any assumptions...I'll be nice and you should play nice too

There are a lot of kids in the wrightlifting forums, so if you want to talk about synthol, take it to the aas forums...not in here...i'm sure there will be plenty of people there who will share my fair judgement...

At his level maxed out at 19", dude i have 19" arms and i've 100 lbs less than him...i refuse to think he cannot push himself beyond 19" arms...no offense but at 300 lbs with 19" arms, im sure he could get bigger arms if he did something differently...

And yes, i'll say it again...asking someone to do synthol is a bad idea..it's too dangerous and not worth the risk

 

[the_alcatraz]

Also, he's not a "fully developed" bodybuilder either...how would you know he's maxed out on his options? and how would you nkow he's reached his genetic potential.

According to your experience, a 300 lbs bodybuilder reaches his genetic potential with 19" arms??

There are at least 25 people on EF with arms bigger than 18" and they'ren ot even close to being 300 lbs...im sure he can find better ways to pack on arm size...synthol can lead to a shitload of trouble including cancer.

 

[the_alcatraz]

you must have little experience with fully developed bbers who might want to be successful at nationals or beyond. synthol is in everyones regiment at that level. how they decide to use it or abuse it is their choice. ive seen it done and personally believe that it is very effective. would i use it? no, no need to. but, if this gentleman is maxed out on arm size at 19 inches and he wants to take things as far as he can, done with the proper guidance, he could easily push his arms to 21 or 22 inches without abusing the oil at all.

i wouldnt go into an mma thread and tell you you are giving bad advice. please dont tell me im giving bad advice when im around this stuff and see the way it really works. not everyone is greg valentino and its clear youve never been around people with knowledge of this stuff. it works and the science behind it is solid. tear the fascia, allow contractile units to form in the open space, arms increase in size. i never said load the shit, i said used appropriately.

Please post pictures of someone you know who's done synthol effectively...I'd like to see what an effective usuage of synthol looks like because i obviously have no experience with this kind of stuff like you do :sarcastic:

 

[Tblock1]

Please post pictures of someone you know who's done synthol effectively...I'd like to see what an effective usuage of synthol looks like because i obviously have no experience with this kind of stuff like you do :sarcastic:

synthol is gay...nuff said. However elite level bodybuilders do use it.....

 

[the_alcatraz]

synthol is gay...nuff said. However elite level bodybuilders do use it.....

If someone wants to use Synthol, that's fine..but to say that it's ok to use would give the wrong ideas to people who might not understand the dangers associated with it...plus it's the weightlifting forums so kids and post and talk about it, had it been posted in the aas forums, not everyone can discuss there.

 

[SouthernLord]

You guys need to chill the fuck out. Take the BS to C&C or another forum.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Guys let's remember that a mentor is part of EF staff....disrespecting a mentor is a bannable offense..not ifs or buts...thanks

 

[timtim]

I'm telling you it's bad advice...anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding will tell you it's bad advice...

I'm not too sure what you meant with that underhanded comment about coming into mma threads, but I wont make any assumptions...I'll be nice and you should play nice too

There are a lot of kids in the wrightlifting forums, so if you want to talk about synthol, take it to the aas forums...not in here...i'm sure there will be plenty of people there who will share my fair judgement...

At his level maxed out at 19", dude i have 19" arms and i've 100 lbs less than him...i refuse to think he cannot push himself beyond 19" arms...no offense but at 300 lbs with 19" arms, im sure he could get bigger arms if he did something differently...

And yes, i'll say it again...asking someone to do synthol is a bad idea..it's too dangerous and not worth the risk

there was no underhanded comment. youre a competitive mma fighter. how would i have the gaul to attack what you know? it seemed that you had no experience with synthol, thats where my comment was headed but i am very sorry for your friend. i have been around users, specifically older men who have take the necessary steps to prepare for the numerous injects, not kids who want to look good at clubs but real deal bbers. if you think he hasnt hit the wall genetically you could be very wrong. weight has nothing to do with bicep size. length of the humerus, insertion points, peak, all play a role in the size of the bicep.

have you ever heard of compartment syndrome? its where the fascia wont expand any further causing pain. it normally happens in sprinters/distance runners/soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players and is seen in the calf (can be in either the gastroc or soleus). to fix this, doctors make vertical cuts in the fascia to allow the muscle to spill through so the athlete can compete in their respective sport without pain. its the same thing with the biceps except no surgeon would do that surgery because the arms never reach exhaustion to where someone is incapable of movement and its just not necessary.

name any pro you know or have known since the early 1990s and they were using. flex wheeler was known for doing up to 40 injects of esiclene prior to going on stage to cause swelling in his back. lee priest would use prior to workouts to cause more cell damage.

the advice im giving is to a full grown adult who is asking what to do about an issue that will hinder his ability to compete. its solid advice. synthol is 85% mct oil. the body reuptakes it as cholesterol after time.

sorry if this seemed like a challenge at any point and i feel terrible for your friend. thats the reason i said having someone with knowledge of the arterial makeup of the arm to map the injects is a necessity. you are correct, this isnt for kids. sorry for any trouble. at no point was i trying to challenge you.

 

[liffalot]

I'm at 17.5 just bro, but i thought i'd share....... i have found cable curls, and cable preachers to be very effective in combination with free weights.
i find the cable actaully gives me a better pump.

I dont like doing curls with my elbows fixed on any sort of platform. Thats how I was taught and with my already bad elbows, it makes for a much longer athletic career.

I'd rather use the discipline of the mind to isolate those muscles standing, kneeling, what have you. But anyway I'm off of my soapbox.

Point of my story is that with preachers, you should make sure that your tricep area is on the platform and your elbows are not. Or just not use them at all is always an option.

 

[iron asylum]

there was no underhanded comment. youre a competitive mma fighter. how would i have the gaul to attack what you know? it seemed that you had no experience with synthol, thats where my comment was headed but i am very sorry for your friend. i have been around users, specifically older men who have take the necessary steps to prepare for the numerous injects, not kids who want to look good at clubs but real deal bbers. if you think he hasnt hit the wall genetically you could be very wrong. weight has nothing to do with bicep size. length of the humerus, insertion points, peak, all play a role in the size of the bicep.

have you ever heard of compartment syndrome? its where the fascia wont expand any further causing pain. it normally happens in sprinters/distance runners/soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players and is seen in the calf (can be in either the gastroc or soleus). to fix this, doctors make vertical cuts in the fascia to allow the muscle to spill through so the athlete can compete in their respective sport without pain. its the same thing with the biceps except no surgeon would do that surgery because the arms never reach exhaustion to where someone is incapable of movement and its just not necessary.

name any pro you know or have known since the early 1990s and they were using. flex wheeler was known for doing up to 40 injects of esiclene prior to going on stage to cause swelling in his back. lee priest would use prior to workouts to cause more cell damage.

the advice im giving is to a full grown adult who is asking what to do about an issue that will hinder his ability to compete. its solid advice. synthol is 85% mct oil. the body reuptakes it as cholesterol after time.

sorry if this seemed like a challenge at any point and i feel terrible for your friend. thats the reason i said having someone with knowledge of the arterial makeup of the arm to map the injects is a necessity. you are correct, this isnt for kids. sorry for any trouble. at no point was i trying to challenge you.

I'm almost afraid to post again with heated conversation going on. I understand both points. Yes I do know that most competitive high level bodybuilders have used synthol at some point to build up lacking bodyparts. I know someone who is in those circles who has confirmed this to me. It's just done in a smart and safe way unlike all the clowns you see on youtube or like the "Ramblin Freak". It is totally taboo to discuss it though and it's not admitted but it is done. I'm not quite at that point and am going to try to get some more growth through massage and breakdown. I have a year to see what I can do before my next show. If I get the growth I want through deep tissue I'm set. As to Synthol? If I ever get to the point in competition where I need it to advance I guess I will make that choice when I get there.
Thanks Tim Tim and Alcatrazz

 

[dabuffguy]

I'm almost afraid to post again with heated conversation going on. I understand both points. Yes I do know that most competitive high level bodybuilders have used synthol at some point to build up lacking bodyparts. I know someone who is in those circles who has confirmed this to me. It's just done in a smart and safe way unlike all the clowns you see on youtube or like the "Ramblin Freak". It is totally taboo to discuss it though and it's not admitted but it is done. I'm not quite at that point and am going to try to get some more growth through massage and breakdown. I have a year to see what I can do before my next show. If I get the growth I want through deep tissue I'm set. As to Synthol? If I ever get to the point in competition where I need it to advance I guess I will make that choice when I get there.
Thanks Tim Tim and Alcatrazz

Yeah bro, synthol is definiely not the proper course of action at this point and time. Nor, for you personally, do I think it ever should be.

Being straight with you, here's why:

1) You will grow enough to be where you want to be and be completely satsfied. Just keep at it.

2) You took 2nd your very first competition bro. That's really amazing. The guy next to you barely had you. Your next competition you will have improved in every way (get them quads up).

3) You will never step on an IFBB stage. You are too old.

4) Taking #3 in mind, using synthol is then for...what? Getting bigger? Okay, but if this isn't an opportunity to capitalize on muscle mass and make a living from it (being a pro or otherwise), I don't see nor understand the point of using it to have bigger arms considering that you are already very big, and will continue to get bigger.


5) Maybe it's time to up the doses, eh?

 

[the_alcatraz]

there was no underhanded comment. youre a competitive mma fighter. how would i have the gaul to attack what you know? it seemed that you had no experience with synthol, thats where my comment was headed but i am very sorry for your friend. i have been around users, specifically older men who have take the necessary steps to prepare for the numerous injects, not kids who want to look good at clubs but real deal bbers. if you think he hasnt hit the wall genetically you could be very wrong. weight has nothing to do with bicep size. length of the humerus, insertion points, peak, all play a role in the size of the bicep.

have you ever heard of compartment syndrome? its where the fascia wont expand any further causing pain. it normally happens in sprinters/distance runners/soccer, lacrosse, field hockey players and is seen in the calf (can be in either the gastroc or soleus). to fix this, doctors make vertical cuts in the fascia to allow the muscle to spill through so the athlete can compete in their respective sport without pain. its the same thing with the biceps except no surgeon would do that surgery because the arms never reach exhaustion to where someone is incapable of movement and its just not necessary.

name any pro you know or have known since the early 1990s and they were using. flex wheeler was known for doing up to 40 injects of esiclene prior to going on stage to cause swelling in his back. lee priest would use prior to workouts to cause more cell damage.

the advice im giving is to a full grown adult who is asking what to do about an issue that will hinder his ability to compete. its solid advice. synthol is 85% mct oil. the body reuptakes it as cholesterol after time.

sorry if this seemed like a challenge at any point and i feel terrible for your friend. thats the reason i said having someone with knowledge of the arterial makeup of the arm to map the injects is a necessity. you are correct, this isnt for kids. sorry for any trouble. at no point was i trying to challenge you.

I apologize as well if I seamed heated, but Synthol is a dangerous issue to discuss on an open forum when we have a responsibility towards are younger uninformed and greatly eager members

 

[iron asylum]

Yeah bro, synthol is definiely not the proper course of action at this point and time. Nor, for you personally, do I think it ever should be.

Being straight with you, here's why:

1) You will grow enough to be where you want to be and be completely satsfied. Just keep at it.

2) You took 2nd your very first competition bro. That's really amazing. The guy next to you barely had you. Your next competition you will have improved in every way (get them quads up).

3) You will never step on an IFBB stage. You are too old.

4) Taking #3 in mind, using synthol is then for...what? Getting bigger? Okay, but if this isn't an opportunity to capitalize on muscle mass and make a living from it (being a pro or otherwise), I don't see nor understand the point of using it to have bigger arms considering that you are already very big, and will continue to get bigger.


5) Maybe it's time to up the doses, eh?

#3 Damn that hurts! lol...But your right I am to old and will never be an IFBB pro. Good straight answers for me.

 

[iron asylum]

I apologize as well if I seamed heated, but Synthol is a dangerous issue to discuss on an open forum when we have a responsibility towards are younger uninformed and greatly eager members

Agreed!

 

[ExtraMile]

#3 Damn that hurts! lol...But your right I am to old and will never be an IFBB pro. Good straight answers for me.

lol I thought it was gonna hurt when I read it!

 

[dabuffguy]

#3 Damn that hurts! lol...But your right I am to old and will never be an IFBB pro. Good straight answers for me.

Not trying to stab you in the heart or anything, lol.

I'm in my mid 20's and neither will I bro, so don't feel bad. I'll be lucky if I get as thick as you.

 

[onthelang]

Is synthol out of the question here?

I'm stuck at 19 inches. I'm plateued and I need help. I'm missing somthing and I don't know what. What would your big three exercises for arm mass be and what would your rep/sets be in the range of? For Triceps I'm going to run Close Grip Bench followed by heavy skullcrushers then Pushdowns but not sure what to do for Biceps other than my normal heavy one arm dumbells and Barbell curls. What else would be a good bicep blaster that would force alot of blood into the muscle and still be considered a mass exercise?