Best test-boosting supplement as a natty standalone?

[Headholio]

You misunderstood what i said.
I never said he should inject test to get big, i said the only way for testosterone to be effective in terms of strength and muscle gains it needs to be injected same with growth hormone, that no supplement on the market like daa, tribulus or any other herbs will give.
I already told him creatine is good, his question was about test booster not cretine or whey protein.. DAA is completely ineffective for muscle gains, the study showed it only increase test like 40%, thats NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, wont do a damn thing, if someone claims to get strength and muscle gains from tribulus, daa or other "test boosting herbs" is having a strong placebo effect, nothing new.
In fact Placebo effect is so goddamn fuking strong that i gave a friend of mine 4 argnine pills and told him its dianabol and its the strongest steroid ever, 2 hours after he took the pills went to the gym, he said he felt really really strong and was able to lift 15% more on every exercise, NO FUKING JOKE, he was a noob to steroid thing and i was testing him to see whats up.

Dnt waste money on these herb for muscle gains, if you're looking to experiment with them go ahead,but i can tell you you'll be disappointed.

Your logic is faulty my friend.
1. Testosterone is a key element in anabolism.
2. Normal levels of testosterone in men are sufficient to promote anabolic metabolism. If that were not true, women could gain muscle as easily as men.
3. Raising testosterone, but keeping it within the normal range can also improve anabolism. For example, young men gain muscle easier than older men, in part because of higher T levels. Another example: Men on TRT can see noticable improvements in the gym even if their supplementation keeps their levels within the normal range.
4. There is no logic to think that a 40% increase in T wouldn't do anything. For muscle growth, a level of 1500 is better than 1000, and level of 1000 is better that 600, and 600 better than 300 etc. Your body doesn't have a "line" that needs to be crossed for testosterone to work. It is always working, and more is better. So if you can raise T, you can benefit from that.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

^^^ no I didn't mis-understand anything you said.. you've never used NTBM supplements, thats your problem. you are using junk supplements which you are right do nothing.

OR it sounds like you are the type of guy who needs steroids to get anywhere in the gym to compensate for poor genetics/workouts/diet. because I have been training natty for 13 years and i made tremendous gains during that time. so its just not true you need steroids to make gains.

No i dont use ntbm supplements, and probably will never use them. I dont use junk supps, the only supplement i use and beilive have benefits are creatine, whey isolate, some taurine and citrulline malate sometimes a pre workout.
Im actually the type of guy that never EVER relys on steroid to get results, i only cycle once a year and thats with one compound of low dosage, no more than 4-500mg test or 60mg anavar by itsself, i rely on hard fuking work in the gym and a strict diet with cardio everyday.

I never once said u need roids to make gains, you're making thing way too complicated, the question was about test booster and u went right ahead and attacked me cause i said test needs to be injected to be effective.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ okay but this is a supplement board and all you have been doing is attacking supplements as bullshit.

btw creatine, whey, and taurine are the supplements you like.. 2 of those 3 are in what i recommended to this guy, they are in muscle replenisher. so you are kinda contradicting yourself and pretty much agreeing with my advice but you are too stubborn to even realize it. taurine is in n2guard as well another supplement i always recommend to guys on cycle.

also i never attacked you but headholio hit the nail on the head when he said a healthy adult male already has testosterone produced in the body free of charge. but my point was if you have a genetic issue where you don't produce testosterone then yes you will have trouble puttting on muscle all things being equal. unfortunately these days with most guys diets and lifestyles many fit that profile and feel the need to run steroids when all they had to do was correct their diets/training/lifestyle

finally if you never used NTBM supplements then you have no business giving advice saying they don't work, that would make you a liar

 

[wootoom]

No i dont use ntbm supplements, and probably will never use them. I dont use junk supps, the only supplement i use and beilive have benefits are creatine, whey isolate, some taurine and citrulline malate sometimes a pre workout.
Im actually the type of guy that never EVER relys on steroid to get results, i only cycle once a year and thats with one compound of low dosage, no more than 4-500mg test or 60mg anavar by itsself, i rely on hard fuking work in the gym and a strict diet with cardio everyday.

I never once said u need roids to make gains, you're making thing way too complicated, the question was about test booster and u went right ahead and attacked me cause i said test needs to be injected to be effective.

Lol..you haven't used NTBM supps because they are junk? How do you know they're junk then? Everyone here loves them, all you are doing is trolling and bashing sponsors. This is your last warning.

 

[YoungNatural]

Is bashing sponsors a ban-able offense?

 

[stevesmi]

Is bashing sponsors a ban-able offense?

absolutely it is.

and not only that its also very dumb because all EF sponsors are A++++.. all of them are hand picked and must meet certain criteria. all offer money back guarantees and all have top notch customer service.

hence why you never hear about any of our sponsors screwing anyone over, it never happens. and if its lost in the mail or something crazy happens you always hear how the sponsor re-sent it right away and the customer ended up being happy in the end.

if you aren't using the sponsors on here you are only causing a dis-service to yourself because they are the best

 

[YoungNatural]

I'll give n2kts a try then. All the other sites have great reviews on the sups, which says a lot.
BUT doesn't censorship call the supplement forums credibility into question? Just my 2 cents

 

[jackangel]

I'll give n2kts a try then. All the other sites have great reviews on the sups, which says a lot.
BUT doesn't censorship call the supplement forums credibility into question? Just my 2 cents

Word. You should be able to voice your opinion, positive or negative. However, if someone makes disparaging remarks, he should have good reason, and not just assumptions.

In the end, all you can do is try something for yourself and see what's up. Keeping an open mind is important.

Still, his point about creatine is well-taken. I've ordered some. As for anything else...we'll have to see. Is Unleashed available right now? I would try that, if I can still get a great deal.

 

[stevesmi]

I'll give n2kts a try then. All the other sites have great reviews on the sups, which says a lot.
BUT doesn't censorship call the supplement forums credibility into question? Just my 2 cents

this isn't the USA 1st amendment on this site man. when you signed up as a member you signed a TOS. meaning we make the rules, not you. so there is no running to the US supreme court because you are censored or anything.. people forget that concept or people don't take the time to read the TOS. i was banned myself from a fishing forum a month ago for getting into it with some jackass, oh well. even though i felt like i didn't deserve to be banned thats tough beans because i signed the TOS saying they could ban me if they wanted to and well they did.

anyway if you try the product and aren't happy with it you are actually encouraged to give you honest opinion, and then promptly send the product back and get your 100% refund. not a problem at all. every supplement can be improved and will be improved.. hcgenerate is awesome but there is gonna be a new version coming out and if it was not for the feedback the new version would not be even better.

nelson for example, has posted many times.. and so had needto.. when people have done logs on supps and they have encouraged people gives their HONEST opinions on a product.. so in that respect please post up if you think the product can be improved etc. i have a post just a week ago where i went through each WTBM that i tried and gave my opinion, the ones i didn't like i said why.. the ones i liked i said why. i didn't like the chocolate one, i'm not a chocolate person... so i said it. thats okay.

the problem becomes when we have guys who never even tried the product lying and saying the product sucked.. these are guys from rival supplement companies and they are here to make trouble from the get go. they can't beat the product so they have to bash.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

If you guys actually re read what i wrote, you'll notice i did NOT said ntbm supps are junk, wootoom go and read my post again, i replied to steves post. He said "you are using junk supplements" and i replied i dont use junk supplement and it happened to be after i worte i dont use ntbm product, by junk i meant any supplement not ntbm..
Goddammit.,, i'll just let this go.
My advice is buy whatever the fuck you wanna buy, aint my business.
Im out.