Best test-boosting supplement as a natty standalone?

[jackangel]

I've done a few searches on some of the more popular products, but most of the opinions are given in the context of cycling, PCT, etc...so, I thought I'd ask my specific question.

I'm completely natty, and never really supplemented with anything beyond the occasional stim or fat-burner years ago. I've been back in the gym for a few months after a long layoff, now starting over. I'm looking for something that:

1. Enhances my ability to gain in strength, mass, and recover faster, presumably by raising levels of total and/or free test, or maybe by utilizing nutrients more efficiently? I want something sustainable which provides lasting benefits that don't dissipate once I'm done using it.

2. Is relatively safe and won't require additional products to maintain my health, hormonal balance, etc.

3. Works well by itself. I might consider stacking with one other product at most, but probably not. There are many choices, and I'd like to keep it simple for my first time.

4. Enhances mood, well-being, focus, and fights lethargy.

5. Improves libido, although this is not necessary and not a priority.

6. Isn't too expensive.

I've read a little bit about HCGenerate, Test Infusion, Phytoserms-347, Unleashed, N2Slin, Bridge, et al. I'd like to take advantage of some of the sales going on now, but don't know which one is the best fit for me. I realize all of the above may not be possible, so I've listed them in rough order of priority.

Thanks bros.

 

[Colstreamer]

Hcgenerate, bridge or unleashed are all good choices. You could try creatine as well that'll give you increased strength. I like unleashed myself. That and hcgenerate is great for libido (morning wood ) and well being I've found.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

Let me say this for the last time.. No test booster on the market will give you strength or muscle gains, they dont raise test levels to supraphysiological levels that needed for muscle growth, you might get libido boost, morning wood, or whatever but they will NOT cause any strength or muscle gains that you would expect from injecting test.
You want to increase teststerone for muscle growth? Then inject FUKING TESTOSTERONE, its not that complicated. You wont get shit from test boosters, save your money and buy proven supplemetns like creatine, whey protein, high dose fish oil, bcaa (if you have the money) and maybe pre workout if you really need it.

 

[jackangel]

Thank you for the most insightful and helpful response, bro.

I don't want to use AAS. It's not the right choice for me at this time, and slightly more serious than trying a supplement. Thus, more complicated than you think.

You could be right. It's always good to be skeptical, because the supplement industry is big on hype and short on science.

However, as a practical matter, it's impossible to know unless you try for yourself. To that end, it helps to get some guidance

from the knowledgeable folks at the the Internet's Most Controversial Fitness Site. Blood work before and after is a good idea.

What do you base your statements on? Something more than a lack of evidence, I hope.

I found a few articles on PubMed re: Tribulus Terrestris and it's lack of efficacy, but otherwise not much yet.

Absence of proof does not equal proof of absence.

 

[stevesmi]

he is just now back at the gym after a long time off, why would you recommend him inject testosterone? he also said he doesn't want suppression.. i'm lost on that advice.

yes natty supplements WORK. i was natty for almost all of 2010 and i spend most of the year natty.. so its bullshit that you need steroids to make gains and look good.

this is the stack i would recommend for you based on what you wrote that you want to save money.

NTBM right now there is 25% off.. xmas25 is the code + free shipping.. doesn't get better than that .. these items are cheap and you will love them

creatine
DAA (either powder of chews)

OR

muscle replenisher which contains creatine and is awesome tasting

 

[Headholio]

Let me say this for the last time.. No test booster on the market will give you strength or muscle gains, they dont raise test levels to supraphysiological levels that needed for muscle growth, you might get libido boost, morning wood, or whatever but they will NOT cause any strength or muscle gains that you would expect from injecting test.
You want to increase teststerone for muscle growth? Then inject FUKING TESTOSTERONE, its not that complicated. You wont get shit from test boosters, save your money and buy proven supplemetns like creatine, whey protein, high dose fish oil, bcaa (if you have the money) and maybe pre workout if you really need it.

I also disagree.

I was in a slump and seemed to be losing strength pretty consistently over a year or so even though I was lifting. Started taking test boost and started making small gains again and even noticed some body composition impreovements. Of course I'm talking about stopping a downward slide and making small gains over a period of months. Not like roids of course.

I'm sure your age and your normal T levels will effect how well they work for you.

I think Unleashed worked pretty well for me on its own, but stacked with DAA is even better.
The 2 of them together are probably cheaper than Hcgenerate, which also works well.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Let me say this for the last time.. No test booster on the market will give you strength or muscle gains, they dont raise test levels to supraphysiological levels that needed for muscle growth, you might get libido boost, morning wood, or whatever but they will NOT cause any strength or muscle gains that you would expect from injecting test.
You want to increase teststerone for muscle growth? Then inject FUKING TESTOSTERONE, its not that complicated. You wont get shit from test boosters, save your money and buy proven supplemetns like creatine, whey protein, high dose fish oil, bcaa (if you have the money) and maybe pre workout if you really need it.

He's looking for a natty alternative. It doesn;t have to be superpysiological levels to feel a boost. And UNLEASHED will certainly increase strength.

 

[callmejay]

He's looking for a natty alternative. It doesn;t have to be superpysiological levels to feel a boost. And UNLEASHED will certainly increase strength.

This.

I know its said over and over but honestly nothing will have a bigger impact than a strict diet...and creatine. Plus lots of protein post workout + dextrose beforehand.

Heard lots of good things about n2slin too.


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[Lighter Fighter]

he is just now back at the gym after a long time off, why would you recommend him inject testosterone? he also said he doesn't want suppression.. i'm lost on that advice.

yes natty supplements WORK. i was natty for almost all of 2010 and i spend most of the year natty.. so its bullshit that you need steroids to make gains and look good.

this is the stack i would recommend for you based on what you wrote that you want to save money.

NTBM right now there is 25% off.. xmas25 is the code + free shipping.. doesn't get better than that .. these items are cheap and you will love them

creatine
DAA (either powder of chews)

OR

muscle replenisher which contains creatine and is awesome tasting

You misunderstood what i said.
I never said he should inject test to get big, i said the only way for testosterone to be effective in terms of strength and muscle gains it needs to be injected same with growth hormone, that no supplement on the market like daa, tribulus or any other herbs will give.
I already told him creatine is good, his question was about test booster not cretine or whey protein.. DAA is completely ineffective for muscle gains, the study showed it only increase test like 40%, thats NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, wont do a damn thing, if someone claims to get strength and muscle gains from tribulus, daa or other "test boosting herbs" is having a strong placebo effect, nothing new.
In fact Placebo effect is so goddamn fuking strong that i gave a friend of mine 4 argnine pills and told him its dianabol and its the strongest steroid ever, 2 hours after he took the pills went to the gym, he said he felt really really strong and was able to lift 15% more on every exercise, NO FUKING JOKE, he was a noob to steroid thing and i was testing him to see whats up.

Dnt waste money on these herb for muscle gains, if you're looking to experiment with them go ahead,but i can tell you you'll be disappointed.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ no I didn't mis-understand anything you said.. you've never used NTBM supplements, thats your problem. you are using junk supplements which you are right do nothing.

OR it sounds like you are the type of guy who needs steroids to get anywhere in the gym to compensate for poor genetics/workouts/diet. because I have been training natty for 13 years and i made tremendous gains during that time. so its just not true you need steroids to make gains.