Best gear for mass building (first cycle)

[Massgainer26]

I was wondering what the best gear would be for my first cycle (for next bulk)? I am 26yo, 5'8", in the middle of bulking, I tend to fatigue quite easily especially on chest. I'm also currently taking carbazepine (epilepsy), provigil (bc the carbazepine tires me out), effexor, & seroquil (as a sleep aid).

My philosophy on roids is I have no problem with people who take them it's their prerogative (kinda like people who smoke weed lol). I always knew that I would one day take them. So I'm just looking for some advice from you guys since you guys know a lot about this.

 

[mm34505]

1st cycle stick with test 2x a week 500-600mg depending on the dosage of the gear, will get great gains

 

[Saintinistic]

1st cycle stick with test 2x a week 500-600mg depending on the dosage of the gear, will get great gains

I did 2 (1ml) thigh shots of 250mg/ml per week of test enanthate, for my first cycle, and it is indeed the great start everybody talks about.

Though it may take 4-5 weeks before you have high concentrations in teh body, you will notice the changes very early, regarding recovery and sense of well-being.

Not sure how it will react with your meds, though, if at all.

 

[rambleon]

Either do:

1-8 400 mg test e ew.

or

1-10 5-600 mg primo ew

U'll gain more with the test and keep more with the primo

 

[Nelson Montana]

What have you done to build bulk so far?

 

[BodyByTren]

cant go worng w/ sust or test E 2x a wk

 

[rambleon]

I actually consider primo superior to test for a first run. Less sides for one thing. Another thing is that you leave the test for later when the milder stuff don't do it for you anymore. I realize the prevailing idea here is test alone for a first run but i kinda wish i'd gone with primo instead.

 

[Massgainer26]

What have you done to build bulk so far?

Just eating like a horse and training heavy, man! Lol

 

[EZ_E]

What have you done to build bulk so far?

Dunno how active you are on the boards, but after almost 4 years you should know what a mass building cycle should look like....Propose a cycle and we'll critique it. Stats would also be helpful....

~EZ

 

[Nelson Montana]

Dunno how active you are on the boards, but after almost 4 years you should know what a mass building cycle should look like....Propose a cycle and we'll critique it. Stats would also be helpful....

~EZ

You're talking to ME? I was asking him what he's done to gain size prior to using steroids so I can help him develop optimum gains, not to find out what to do. That's me in the avatar.

Wow, I guess I'm not as famous as I thought I was! lol!

 

[EZ_E]

You're talking to ME? I was asking him what he's done to gain size prior to using steroids so I can help him develop optimum gains, not to find out what to do. That's me in the avatar.

Wow, I guess I'm not as famous as I thought I was! lol!

Ha! Naaa, I meant the origonal poster....my bad, I think I clicked on the worng quote to follow up on

 

[WinnyPumps]

1-10 Test 500mg
1-4 Beastdrol 30mg ed
adex .5mg every 3rd day if needed

 

[Wrongun]

Ok for an 8 week mass cycle:

Wks 1-4 dbol @ 35mg ED
Wks 1-8 Sus @ 500mg EW
Wks 1-8 Decca @ 400mg EW

Here the Decca should be 400mg for optimum effects, and the dianabol at the onset helps kick start the cycle while you are waiting for the longer acting deca and test to take effect.
Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 14 -- 21 days after your last Decca jab. Preferred dosages are 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10 days and 50mg last 10 days (21 days in total). You may hold a lot of water from this brought about by the dianabol and the testosterone but this can be reduced by the use of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen at 10mg ED
The dosage of dianabol may be divided out through out the day and taken every 3-4 hrs as it has such a short half-life.
The SUS and the deca can be split down into 3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of deca (2ml).

In terms of dosages etc then you could look at reducing to 200mg Decca and 250mg Test EW as you have not given much info on size, training etc.

Some will say the dosages i state are too high but this game is all about opinion and i believe they are fine for a first cycle. Also many others do not like Nolva or Clomid for PCT. Its old school and again it has always proved very effective for me.

I am sure many will chip in with the plethora of supps that have ''overtaken'' my methodology but AAS is different between user to user and this has always proved one of the most effective cycles and recovery for me

Wrongun!

 

[Ezekiel]

I was wondering what the best gear would be for my first cycle (for next bulk)? I am 26yo, 5'8", in the middle of bulking, I tend to fatigue quite easily especially on chest. I'm also currently taking carbazepine (epilepsy), provigil (bc the carbazepine tires me out), effexor, & seroquil (as a sleep aid).

My philosophy on roids is I have no problem with people who take them it's their prerogative (kinda like people who smoke weed lol). I always knew that I would one day take them. So I'm just looking for some advice from you guys since you guys know a lot about this.

You joined in 2006? Odd!!

What's you're weight?

Honestly, i would consult a Dr. before taking anything, given the fact that you're on so much Medication...

 

[daveyboy2345]

all you need is 400 mgs test 1-10, and dbol 20mg. 1-5, and dex 1 mg week.

 

[ishaq]

this is the guys 1st cycle and your adivising him like that?!?!?! geese 1st id go to ur doctor and check it fits in with your medication because your health is the most important aspect, then id consider doing 250mg-500mg a week depending on what u feel most comfortable with, youll be able to assess how your body reacts to smaller ammounts rather then just jumpin on half the stuff these guys suggest, ive just finishd a cycle of sust on 375 mg a week 8 weeks gains were ok and strength went up not a hell of a lot but enuff for me to adjust dosages and diet to accomodate now i know how my body reacted.

 

[Ezekiel]

Ok for an 8 week mass cycle:

Wks 1-4 dbol @ 35mg ED
Wks 1-8 Sus @ 500mg EW
Wks 1-8 Decca @ 400mg EW

Here the Decca should be 400mg for optimum effects, and the dianabol at the onset helps kick start the cycle while you are waiting for the longer acting deca and test to take effect.
Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 14 -- 21 days after your last Decca jab. Preferred dosages are 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10 days and 50mg last 10 days (21 days in total). You may hold a lot of water from this brought about by the dianabol and the testosterone but this can be reduced by the use of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen at 10mg ED
The dosage of dianabol may be divided out through out the day and taken every 3-4 hrs as it has such a short half-life.
The SUS and the deca can be split down into 3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of deca (2ml).

In terms of dosages etc then you could look at reducing to 200mg Decca and 250mg Test EW as you have not given much info on size, training etc.

Some will say the dosages i state are too high but this game is all about opinion and i believe they are fine for a first cycle. Also many others do not like Nolva or Clomid for PCT. Its old school and again it has always proved very effective for me.

I am sure many will chip in with the plethora of supps that have ''overtaken'' my methodology but AAS is different between user to user and this has always proved one of the most effective cycles and recovery for me

Wrongun!

W/ all due respect that's a BIG 1st cycle...!! Nolve, well running Deca is generally a no go! he should get Adex for during cycle, not nolv. and he should run the test 2 wks longer then the deca.

But again, I stress...w/ that much medication, i would consult a Dr. 1st....

 

[Massgainer26]

You guys are giving me good information (I hope-haha). You guys have provided a variety of stacks, but I'm not going to start a cycle just yet (plus I don't know anyone who can get me the gear…YET) I was just curious as to what I should take should I start. Also, to answer the Q about joining in 2006, I don't remember joining then but I must have. Lol. I totally forgot about this website until just recently. You guys are awesome! Keep the info coming… and if there's any other info you wanna know just ask me

 

[joe d]

i would first talk to your doctor about taking steroids with your medical conditions and medications. after that if its ok i would run 20mg dbol ed for 8 weaks. after you decide on a cycle post it up and i will suggest ai's and pct.

 

[Wrongun]

W/ all due respect that's a BIG 1st cycle...!! Nolve, well running Deca is generally a no go! he should get Adex for during cycle, not nolv. and he should run the test 2 wks longer then the deca.

But again, I stress...w/ that much medication, i would consult a Dr. 1st....

I really do not see that as big. The medication issue is one for the OP as it is up to him to explore the potential of conflicts.

Why is Decca a no go when mixed with Test?
Why would he need to run Arimidex during cycle - has he gyno history
What is the issue with Nolva

Obviosuly this is all opinion. I have run that cycle and works very well for me. As i stated the Nolva / Clomid is not for everyone but is the best combination for me.

Please explain further your comments as interested why Arimi should be inserted and why Decca and Test is a poor combination?

Wrongun!

 

[EZ_E]

nolva is so synthetically close estrogen.

In order for prog/prolactin to cause gynecomastia problems it must have higher levels of estrogen to help trigger its response on receptors. nolva is so close to estrogen that it will help prog/prolactin do this.

 

[Wrongun]

nolva is so synthetically close estrogen.

In order for prog/prolactin to cause gynecomastia problems it must have higher levels of estrogen to help trigger its response on receptors. nolva is so close to estrogen that it will help prog/prolactin do this.

Arimidex is a Aromatase inhibitor, meaning that it prevents test from becoming estrogen. This will prevent gyno better than Nolva.

Nolva is a SERM meaning that is acts as an estrogen blocker in some tissues and as estrogen in other tissues.

During cycle arimidex is better, but would use it only if you need to because estrogen is important to achieve maximum gains.

After cycle use A SERM and AI for better results if it works for you.

Wrongun!

 

[Ezekiel]

I really do not see that as big. The medication issue is one for the OP as it is up to him to explore the potential of conflicts.

Why is Decca a no go when mixed with Test?
Why would he need to run Arimidex during cycle - has he gyno history
What is the issue with Nolva

Obviosuly this is all opinion. I have run that cycle and works very well for me. As i stated the Nolva / Clomid is not for everyone but is the best combination for me.

Please explain further your comments as interested why Arimi should be inserted and why Decca and Test is a poor combination?

Wrongun!

Hey,

I didn't say deca w/ test is a no go.. I said that many would say that Deca w/ Nolv is a no go..Nolva has been shown in studies to increase PgR while using 19nors such as deca and tren. PgR is the Progesterone Receptor and with more active, it gives more chances of the metabolites to bind to increasing gyno.

But everyone is different...

I also said to have the adex on hand, just in case.. I did not suggest to run the whole cycle... Since this is his 1st cycle, he has no idea whether or not his is porne to gyno..

I too have ran test and deca.. Not w/ the nolv... but there are so many options these days..

Also, I don't thinks it's a big cycle if it was your 3rd cycle or what ever.. But this being his 1st cycle, I do think it wise to start w/ test only and see how his body reacts to it all...

Just my 2 cents..