Best First Cycle for Competitive athlete

[mongo67]

I have done a lot of reading and found a lot of good info on this site, as well as the internet..I have made the decision to try a cycle and thought it a good idea if I got some feedback from some experienced users.

1) My Goal: to add lean muscle mass without bulking up and putting on excessive weight....would like to increase strength to weight ratio.

2) my stats & info: I am 35 , never used any enhancing agents and feel that I have reached my genetic potential at this point. I am a competative triathlete and compete mostly in the sprint events. I do not undergo drug testing. I train event specific 6 days a week and in the gym 3 days a week, mostly plyometric/power excersises. I am no stranger to lifting and training. I eat clean, work hard and have a good knowledge of training and diet.
6'4"/ 210lbs/ 7%bf

3) Although I have done alot of reading and searching on-line I do not profess to know everything regarding gear, there is no substitute for experience, thats why I'm here. This is my first cycle ever and even though I have made the decision to go ahead I would like some user feedback from you boys. This being my first time I would like to go with something milder and was considering 400mg/week of Equipoise for a 6 week cycle. The reasons being 1) mild androgenic/estrogenic yet is a decent anobolic. 2) stimulates the realese of EPO 3) mild post-cycle effects.

Thats about it if anyone has had any relative experience or feels that they may have some insight to offer, it would be greatly appreciated....

Peace all

This is might be an interesting read for some:

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[Austrian]

since you do not want to add a lot of mass, eq might be the wrong choice since it is predominantly anabolic. you might want to use something more androgenic like trenbolone or halotestin. but eq might be a good choice for a first cycle as would be deca or plain testosterone.

 

[mongo67]

Thanks for the response..I had a look at the androgens intitially, but came up with EQ, because of its availability and because its stimulus of EPO. Lastly, everyone has a differend response, but its my understanding that in the 400mg/week range it won't shut one down to bad, htpa, . In short its a milder steriod that would benifit a first timer....

 

[KOArtist]

EQ is definitely good for endurance athletes. I never felt the almost painful "pump" i get from other compounds like tren, and high enough doses of anavar (if you pick anavar, Id suggest keeping it under 35mg/day to avoid that "pump"). Winny can be good for athletes if not for the joint problems it causes in most people, but maybe your lucky, or maybe go deca/winny. peace

 

[MMAfighter]

EQ is definitely good for endurance athletes. I never felt the almost painful "pump" i get from other compounds like tren, and high enough doses of anavar (if you pick anavar, Id suggest keeping it under 35mg/day to avoid that "pump"). Winny can be good for athletes if not for the joint problems it causes in most people, but maybe your lucky, or maybe go deca/winny. peace

what exactly causes "the pump"?

 

[KOArtist]

I have no idea bro, but its the worst w/ tren/d-bol/and probably a few other compounds. Im sure someone could explain, but Im not sure. Certainly F'd up my training a bit though. I have since heard that this can be combatted w/ taurine, so that might change everything if that indeed works.

 

[matto18]

if you can afford the var, thats what i'd do.

 

[mongo67]

Hey KOArtist, thanks for the info...do you feel htat 400mg/week for a 6 week cycle is suitable for some gains...Again this is a first time thing for me and I want to ease into it, on the other hand I want to ensure that I am making it worth my while and getting reasonable gains..Do you feel that a cycle using EQ will enhance my power and strength in the context that I'm after...

 

[KOArtist]

Im sure you'd be pleased w/ your results, but EQ is thought of as more of a "slow-acting" compound, hence somewhere between 8-11 weeks would probably give you way more "bang for your buck". That being said, I agree w/ matto to go w/ anavar if you can afford it, especially since one of your goals is to increase strength w/out adding too much mass. EQ can increase appetite, (I didnt feel this, but whatever), so that could definitely be bad thing for your goals/sport. peace

 

[mongo67]

Ok man thats cool....I'll do some more research, as I'm just in the initial stages of planning this out, thats why I'm here....I was doing some more surfing and came actoss this explanation as to that painful 'pump' you were speaking of....hope it helps...I'll have a look at the anavar..Peace

The "steroid pump" does have an actual physiological explanation. It is primarily due to the fact that there is more blood available in the body during a steroid cycle. One of the affects of anabolic steroid use is an increased production of RBC's (red blood cells). That increases blood volume and greatly improves the oxygen carrying ability of blood. This increases the efficiency and endurance of skeletal muscle cells. A 200 pound lifter could carry an extra liter of blood during this time. This increased blood volume partially explains why some athletes feel "pumped" all the time while they are on a steroid cycle. It also explains the incredible pump you get while working out at this time.

 

[BigAndy69]

Your best bet would be testosterone with and anti estrogen.

Something like Test/winny would do wonders.

 

[Little Rage]

given your goals i feel deca should be avoided.

even though your strength gains would be greater on test, there is still a great possibility of adding a decent amount of weight.

Personally I'd stick with the eq.

 

[KOArtist]

BA69, wouldnt test run the risk of adding a little too much mass, considering hes a triathlete???

 

[mongo67]

Thats my feeling, as well KOA...I think that strength would be increased using test, but I think its not the best available for strength/weight ratio gains..the anavar is interesting as it increases ATP, and as a result would be benificial...also the fact thats its oral is nice as well, because I don't have to do the needle (but thats just me)..also the availability of the EQ was a big factor for me during my initial considerations.....

 

[mongo67]

What sort of post-cycle recovery has anyone had using Eq and/or anavar??

 

[scorpion_xxx]

I have a few posts on anavar results - should find with a search for my name.

Check you email!

Cheers!

 

[BigAndy69]

BA69, wouldnt test run the risk of adding a little too much mass, considering hes a triathlete???

For me gaining mass has always been more of a function of how you eat and train.


Low dosed test, arimidex and winny is a favorite of many athletes I know.

EQ increases rbc, but not to a significant degree to see any improvements in a triathlete.

If you chose not to use test, winny only is fine at 50-75mg ED. If you experience joint pain, back off the dose and/or shoot a little NPP (unless you are tested.)

If you are being Tested, don't shoot winny, oral only.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Big Andy, how much Test/Winny/Arimidex would you recommend for someone Mongo's size just starting out? What type of results have you witnessed from athletes using this combo?

 

[BigAndy69]

Texas Ranger,

here's what Mongo said:

"I train event specific 6 days a week and in the gym 3 days a week, mostly plyometric/power excersises. I am no stranger to lifting and training. I eat clean, work hard and have a good knowledge of training and diet."

He does a shitload of cardio work, and he's a tall guy. He probably doesn't eat all that much as a triathlete (most of it gets burned anyway)

100mg of test prop EOD, 0.5mg of Arimidex ED and 50mg of winny ED orally would be a good start.

He could give low dose Tren on his next cycles (very anticatabolic) but for some Tren hinders Cardiovascular abilities

 

[mongo67]

Wow thats a lot of info boys..thaks much..BigAndy great knowledge, but being thats its my first time I really would like to keep it simple..Got it Scorpion...cool!!!

 

[rodneyabs]

500mg/wk test enthanate, 300mg/wk deca.

If you train hard, deca will be your new friend. Your joints will feel better.

Run an anti E like Nolvadex @ 20mg ed.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Mongo, take Big Andy's advice. He knows his stuff!! Instead of the Test/Winny combo, you could try his other recommendation. Test Prop@100mgs EOD or Enanthate@400-500mgs/wk with an anti-aromatse like [email protected] EOD or ED. This is cheap, simple and VERY effective!!!

 

[matto18]

or if you have the bread you can simply pop 30-40 mgs of var for 6-8 weeks and leave the sides for someone else to worry about...

 

[slobberknocker]

Halo.

 

[Dial_tone]

Much better off with EPO and even low dose test if you're not getting tested....very dangerous though.