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What do you think is the best back mass builder?
best back builder??
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My vote is for rows. Never did the dumbbell rows. I think deadlifts pretty much just do the lower back from what I feel and have heard? Is it common to get disc damage from deadlifts? Started them recently and have some discomfort in my lower vertabrae. Gains are awesome though...very efficient exercise. I'd like to stay with them if they are pretty safe.
Imnotdutch
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My vote is for rows. Never did the dumbbell rows. I think deadlifts pretty much just do the lower back from what I feel and have heard?
**Thats probably because most people dont train their lower backs anywhere near as hard as they should......hence lower back tends to become a weak link in a lift.
Is it common to get disc damage from deadlifts?
**Not if you do them properly.
Started them recently and have some discomfort in my lower vertabrae.
**You feel discomfort IN the vertebrae?? Not the muscle?
Gains are awesome though...very efficient exercise. I'd like to stay with them if they are pretty safe.
**They are safe!!
**Thats probably because most people dont train their lower backs anywhere near as hard as they should......hence lower back tends to become a weak link in a lift.
Is it common to get disc damage from deadlifts?
**Not if you do them properly.
Started them recently and have some discomfort in my lower vertabrae.
**You feel discomfort IN the vertebrae?? Not the muscle?
Gains are awesome though...very efficient exercise. I'd like to stay with them if they are pretty safe.
**They are safe!!
riskybizz007
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My vote was for bent rows. Deads are pretty good, definately feel it in the back but i feel it more on lower back than anything else. For lower back i like seated rows better.
I think maybe you should have been a bit more specific in what area of the back development you wanted the poll on. Not the same training lower, mid, or upper back. All very different exercises and obviously one is more designed for a diff. portion of the back than the other.
I think maybe you should have been a bit more specific in what area of the back development you wanted the poll on. Not the same training lower, mid, or upper back. All very different exercises and obviously one is more designed for a diff. portion of the back than the other.
MonStar1023
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Gymtime I posted a big long reply but my computer fucked up.. sorry man.
I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING
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This poll is no good. They do different things.
The best back builders:
Deads
Chins
BB or T-bar rows
Werd!
The best back builders:
Deads
Chins
BB or T-bar rows
Werd!
riskybizz007
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Gymtime i just came back from the gym, worked out both. No problems IMO b/c bent over rows work more your mid lats IMO and deads work out your lower back more. I wouldn't do seated rows then deads in the same day, i wont be able to drive home.
Blood&Iron
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Weighted chins. But I use 'em all. Also really like rack deadlifts(aka partial deadlifts)
gymtime
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riskybizz007 said:
OK cool. I know that deads work the lower back primarily while bent rows work the lats. But even so, on a bent row, even with perfect form, you're still "bent". Just want to be mindful of my 33 year old back!!
MonMan - No sweat bro. I'd still like to hear what you have to say if you want to pm me.
Thanks guys!!
Blood&Iron
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Any reason you seem to preface many of your posts this way? I could care less if someone weighs more or less than me. Good advice is good advice, regardless of the source. Same goes for bad advice.squatter said:
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
The most impressive back I've ever seen was on a powerlifter that competed at 198. His back was thicker than any that I've seen on any bodybuilder. Considering that I used to train at Dorian Yates's gym (you might have heard of him!) I guess that means something.
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I love deadlifts... has helped my lat and back development overall, plus helped my hams and glutes, however, I am only 5'3" with typical female skeletal structure (broad hips and narrow shoulders). I have noticed that my waist has thickened (not that it was EVER narrow).
I know that when my side delts come out more (yea, yea THEY SUCK ASS) and I bring my legs up a bit, it will give the ILLUSION of a smaller waist.
My question is should I AVOID the heavy deads altogether (I warmup with 135# and work up to 225# for 5-8 reps) and opt for OTHER heavy back exersizes (bent over rows and T-bar rows, etc).... will my waist get thicker with time?
I also like pull-ups (or chins as you fellas call them).
What do you all think?
PS - I NEVER USE A BELT OR STRAPS. My lower back only hurts if I do not stretch properly between sets.
I know that when my side delts come out more (yea, yea THEY SUCK ASS) and I bring my legs up a bit, it will give the ILLUSION of a smaller waist.
My question is should I AVOID the heavy deads altogether (I warmup with 135# and work up to 225# for 5-8 reps) and opt for OTHER heavy back exersizes (bent over rows and T-bar rows, etc).... will my waist get thicker with time?
I also like pull-ups (or chins as you fellas call them).
What do you all think?
PS - I NEVER USE A BELT OR STRAPS. My lower back only hurts if I do not stretch properly between sets.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
I spy somebody else looking for a good excuse not to do the hard stuff.....
I'm having problems figuring out why you want to quit deadlifting......is it because you want a small waist? In which case you will want to quit squatting too, right? (I can see you heading for those nice little pink, plastic dumb-bells right now). So you are going to end up losing lbm because you arent doing anything hard, and your waist will still look large compared to your future chicken legs.
I think you should get ur sorry ass in the squat rack so you can build some legs.....and find a way to hit side delts. As far as I can work out, your waist wont keep growing indefinitely. For instance, when I deadlifted 300lb (lol) my waist was 2 inches smaller than when I did 400lb. When I hit 500lb my waist had grown by a massive 1/2 inch. It hasnt grown since then. I've seen similar things happen to many powerlifters and bodybuilders (if you talk about those that didnt like hGH). I think the initial thickening that happens is just because your body is totally new to it......after that it settles down and things happen more slowly.
Thats my 2c.....it probably makes no sense whatsoever considering I'm tired and not thinking straight but its still my opinion!!
I'm having problems figuring out why you want to quit deadlifting......is it because you want a small waist? In which case you will want to quit squatting too, right? (I can see you heading for those nice little pink, plastic dumb-bells right now). So you are going to end up losing lbm because you arent doing anything hard, and your waist will still look large compared to your future chicken legs.
I think you should get ur sorry ass in the squat rack so you can build some legs.....and find a way to hit side delts. As far as I can work out, your waist wont keep growing indefinitely. For instance, when I deadlifted 300lb (lol) my waist was 2 inches smaller than when I did 400lb. When I hit 500lb my waist had grown by a massive 1/2 inch. It hasnt grown since then. I've seen similar things happen to many powerlifters and bodybuilders (if you talk about those that didnt like hGH). I think the initial thickening that happens is just because your body is totally new to it......after that it settles down and things happen more slowly.
Thats my 2c.....it probably makes no sense whatsoever considering I'm tired and not thinking straight but its still my opinion!!
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Welsh power house
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the reason i asked is because i am doing deads on one day and rows on anotherfor my two day split) and am considering just doing the same lift twice...i think that deads are by far a better total bodyexercise but dont know for hitting the lats.
I dont really care about definition at the moment, at 165lbs, i dont think there is any point.....when i get over 190, then maybe but for now, i will continue to try and add size.
thanx guys for the posts, keep them coming!
I dont really care about definition at the moment, at 165lbs, i dont think there is any point.....when i get over 190, then maybe but for now, i will continue to try and add size.
thanx guys for the posts, keep them coming!
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IMNOTDUTCH - SHUT THE FUCK UP! hehehehehee
I LOVE deadlifting to pieces!! I am quite proficient (can outlift A LOT of the guys at my gym which gives me a TREMENDOUS amount of pleasure - LOL!) at it.
It is just that a boxy-looking chick AIN'T COOL.... I have never had a small waist and it has gotten an inch thicker... my lats have grown TREMENDOUSLY because of the deads - it is just I guess maybe I am "wigging". I have seen A LOT of boxy looking female bbers and I just don't want to be one of them.
I have been hammering my shoulder with a vengeance for over two years and yes, they are slowly but surely progressing... I guess that I just want it NOW, hehehehehhe
And I had given up hard-earned size on my legz TWICE this year (divorce bullshit affected my training, eating, etc).
Fitness Chick and Iron God have finally talked me into competing again in April of 2002. I was not ready for it before, but now I am up to it mentally. I really want to do well and I just don't want to continue heavy movements that I am good at, at the cost of the aesthetics of my physique.... does that make any sense?
I have been doing bullshit namby-pamby workouts since March of this year... barely holding on to some semblence of a physique, but all in all considering what I have been through this year, I think I did "ok"..... "ok" is not enough to compete though. I want 1st in my division - HANDS DOWN and I want the overall. I know that it is a lofty aspiration, but I want my girls to see that I am ok and that I can win DESPITE how I have been humiliated and torn down.
So now, no more excuses.... I want my physique to be as aesthetically pleasing as I can make it.
I WANT TO WIN.
ok, ok... I am off the fucking soapbox.
PS - Welshpowerhouse I am sorry if I detracted from your thread in any way... I apologize.
I LOVE deadlifting to pieces!! I am quite proficient (can outlift A LOT of the guys at my gym which gives me a TREMENDOUS amount of pleasure - LOL!) at it.
It is just that a boxy-looking chick AIN'T COOL.... I have never had a small waist and it has gotten an inch thicker... my lats have grown TREMENDOUSLY because of the deads - it is just I guess maybe I am "wigging". I have seen A LOT of boxy looking female bbers and I just don't want to be one of them.
I have been hammering my shoulder with a vengeance for over two years and yes, they are slowly but surely progressing... I guess that I just want it NOW, hehehehehhe
And I had given up hard-earned size on my legz TWICE this year (divorce bullshit affected my training, eating, etc).
Fitness Chick and Iron God have finally talked me into competing again in April of 2002. I was not ready for it before, but now I am up to it mentally. I really want to do well and I just don't want to continue heavy movements that I am good at, at the cost of the aesthetics of my physique.... does that make any sense?
I have been doing bullshit namby-pamby workouts since March of this year... barely holding on to some semblence of a physique, but all in all considering what I have been through this year, I think I did "ok"..... "ok" is not enough to compete though. I want 1st in my division - HANDS DOWN and I want the overall. I know that it is a lofty aspiration, but I want my girls to see that I am ok and that I can win DESPITE how I have been humiliated and torn down.
So now, no more excuses.... I want my physique to be as aesthetically pleasing as I can make it.
I WANT TO WIN.
ok, ok... I am off the fucking soapbox.
PS - Welshpowerhouse I am sorry if I detracted from your thread in any way... I apologize.
Blood&Iron
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Welsh power house said:the reason i asked is because i am doing deads on one day and rows on anotherfor my two day split) and am considering just doing the same lift twice...i think that deads are by far a better total bodyexercise but dont know for hitting the lats.
I dont really care about definition at the moment, at 165lbs, i dont think there is any point.....when i get over 190, then maybe but for now, i will continue to try and add size.
thanx guys for the posts, keep them coming!
Yeah, deads to me are a whole-body experience. I actually tend not to do them unless I'm doing very low volume(1 or 2 days a week), because invariably I end up not fully recovered before hitting some bodypart involved a second time. That's why I like partial-deads. They take my legs out of the movement--at least for the most part--so when it comes to squat day(aka leg day) my legs are not still in recovery. But I still prefer chins for a targeted back movement I do throw in some seated Hammer Strength rows for good measure(Bent-over rows have always been far too stressful on my lower back.) As long as overall volume is kept low, I don't think it's too much of an issue.
Imnotdutch
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Welsh, if you are deadlifting heavy you wont be capable of doing them twice in one week. Alot of people cant even do them once a week without overdoing it. And.....you dont want to drop them because by the sounds of it you are trying to gain some mass. So I would keep things as they are (well if it were me I'd be rowing and deadlifting on the same day).
As far as deadlifting hitting lats goes......it all depends upon where your weak spot is. If you listen to alot of people on this site, they will tell you that deadlifting only hits lower back and hams.....because that is where they feel it. That just means that lower back and hams are their weaklink in that particular lift (this is pretty common because the whole world and its dog seems to believe that any exercise that might strengthen the lower back is a bad idea). So my point is.....deadlifts will be hitting your lats but if you have another bodypart as the weak link they wont be getting as much stimulation as they might otherwise. So the short answer is.....variety is the spice of life.....keep the rows and the deadlifts.
BM, you must me missing those she-male conversations as much as me. So get your ass back to training properly......I need some entertainment.
As far as deadlifting hitting lats goes......it all depends upon where your weak spot is. If you listen to alot of people on this site, they will tell you that deadlifting only hits lower back and hams.....because that is where they feel it. That just means that lower back and hams are their weaklink in that particular lift (this is pretty common because the whole world and its dog seems to believe that any exercise that might strengthen the lower back is a bad idea). So my point is.....deadlifts will be hitting your lats but if you have another bodypart as the weak link they wont be getting as much stimulation as they might otherwise. So the short answer is.....variety is the spice of life.....keep the rows and the deadlifts.
BM, you must me missing those she-male conversations as much as me. So get your ass back to training properly......I need some entertainment.
Welsh power house said:the reason i asked is because i am doing deads on one day and rows on anotherfor my two day split) and am considering just doing the same lift twice...i think that deads are by far a better total bodyexercise but dont know for hitting the lats.
I dont really care about definition at the moment, at 165lbs, i dont think there is any point.....when i get over 190, then maybe but for now, i will continue to try and add size.
thanx guys for the posts, keep them coming!
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I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING
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OMG!! Not only is Bikinimom the hottest MILF ever, she also does deads... and heavy to boot!!
I bow down to you!! May I someday have a wife that contains your beauty and your drive in the gym.
I bow down to you!! May I someday have a wife that contains your beauty and your drive in the gym.
supertraps
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Deadlifts are first and bent rows are a very close second.
I alternate weeks w/ these two first so I can go as heavy as possible. Works for me.
I alternate weeks w/ these two first so I can go as heavy as possible. Works for me.
Imnotdutch
butler monkey
Oh thats right go and ruin my chances of getting her by telling the whole damn world about her. Geez now I'm gonna have to go find my big stick to beat off the new competition.
I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING said:OMG!! Not only is Bikinimom the hottest MILF ever, she also does deads... and heavy to boot!!
I bow down to you!! May I someday have a wife that contains your beauty and your drive in the gym.
WonderWoman
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Try this on for size.
Super set deads w/ weighted chins 5x5. Last 2 sets 315x5 + 45lbs x5 chins. Follow up with hang cleans 4x6-135. Finish with Good Mornings 3x10-135. Vomit, crawl to your car, hope you don't pass out on the way home. I did this last week and it took every bit of 7 days to feel normal again. Yes I'm a big girl (5'9" 190 lbs) competitive athlete coming back slowly from injury and job promotion. Glad to be back, and glad tank top season is over!
WW
Super set deads w/ weighted chins 5x5. Last 2 sets 315x5 + 45lbs x5 chins. Follow up with hang cleans 4x6-135. Finish with Good Mornings 3x10-135. Vomit, crawl to your car, hope you don't pass out on the way home. I did this last week and it took every bit of 7 days to feel normal again. Yes I'm a big girl (5'9" 190 lbs) competitive athlete coming back slowly from injury and job promotion. Glad to be back, and glad tank top season is over!
WW
TheGame2001
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deads
deads built my back.
deads built my back.
DrSuperSaint
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Bent-over rows & Chins!!
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