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Benching- why do i suck??

Deciever

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Okay, i've been stuck for a while in bench. I've been at 195 for a bit more than a month. ANd i think if i dont start making progress i may degress (not sure if thats a word, but it is supposed to mean the opposite of progress, means im gonna get weaker).

I've been trying everything. Bands, floor presses, reverse bands, extra tricep work, extra back work...etc. Im gonna give boards a shot see how they go, but im gettin really frustrated.

Any ideas on how i could re-kindle my bench into some respectable?
 
no, i use some of the westside principles like speed bench, and use the bands on and off, but i dont follow their routine very strictly, Its a very loose hybrid of it i would say.
 
Well everyone is different but I can just tell you what helped me more than anything. First off was my form. Im not saying you dont do this but just a reminder just in case, always make sure your shoulder blades are pushed together as if you were trying to make them touch, drive your back/traps into the bench, I also put a little and I mean little arch in my back, bring the bar lower like right below the nipples, try and keep your elbows tucked into your body as much as possible. As far as my training went I did two basic types of routines. When I wasnt close to meet time I did bench only once a week. I did bench/tris on Monday, Squats on Wednesday, Deads on Friday. I of course did assistance for all the lifts but my typical bench day looked like this:

Bench Press(3 warmups, 2 working sets, 1 burnout set sometimes)
Closegrip Incline Press-2 sets
Machine Dips or Front Dumbell raises(2 sets)
Pushdowns-2 sets

Now, I did my own form of periodization on bench. I did this on 6 or 12 week cycles. I also did a my own form of periodization on the inclines as well. ON the dips I did 2x12 and increased the weight about 5 pounds per 2 weeks until it felt easy. On pushdowns I did the same excpet I did reps of 8. This was my training log before I injured my back. I was the strogest Ive ever been. ITs a little different than what you might see a lot of powerlifters use because some weeks I felt like doing a lot of high reps but it kinda helped to shock my body.

Week 1- 2x12-225lbs
Week 2- 2x10-255lbs
Week 3- 2x8-275lbs
Week 4- 2x6-290lbs
Week 5- 2x4-300lbs
Week 6- 2x3-305lbs
Week 7- Off
Week 8- 1x16x250, 1x18x225
Week 9- 1x14x260, 1x19x225
Week 10- 1x12x275, 1x18x225
Week 11- 1x12x275, 1x7x300, 1x4x315, 1x20x225
Week 12-NOTHING, I HURT MY BACK THE DAY AFTER WEEK 11's BENCH SESSION!!!

My methods are a little off the wall but as you can see I raise up and lower my weights each week. This works well for me. I just try to find a weight the first week that I can get an easy 12 out of and each week raise the weight to the point you know your at least going to get close the amount of reps you want. Also if I feel strong and feel the need to go heavier than I had planned the fuck it, I would do it, if I feel weak, then fuck it I go light and rep out. Just depends on how I feel. I learned this from talking to Powerlifterjay, go by feel not by a program. I just thought I would give you an idea on what worked for me. Any questions just ask, ALSO, the routine I do before a comp (about 12 weeks out is when I start) is almost identical to the style Powerlifterjay uses, MOnday-Bench, THursday-boards, floors, etc. Hope I helped even though I probably didnt lol.
 
OH yea, I forgot to add, I absolutely destroyed(productively I mean lol) doing chest supported T-Bar rows, closegrip pulldowns, and seated cable rows.
 
solid, you did help thank you. I'll consider doing your split, as it seems pretty solid. I actually will be training w/ Team NJ, and seeing how that goes, i'll be training my heavy squat and bench days with them, and doing my speed work at the other gym i go to. So i will be getting a lot of help with my form, and training ideas.

k1401- My tris have gotten stronger, so have my lats.. its just that damn point in the middle of the bench which has to do with the shoulders i think (i just learned that a few days ago) so i'm gonna be hittin up my shoulders pretty hard.
 
Deciever i think Solid gave you excellent advice. Go by feel. Your body is a very good indicator of what it wants to do. Or i should say can do. There are times when i feel strong enough to do a 2 rep max. But on other days i know i am not gonna get it, but i may be able to PR a rep for 5 or even 8. Then do it. You do not always have to max out. I did a meet 3 weeks ago and you wanna know the next time i will max on the bench? Try Sept! Ya 3 months plus of no maxing. I will hit heavy boards, will max there, but not on my bench. Being stuck at a weight for 1 month is not enough time to freak out. It just means your not a beginnner anymore and you must listen to your body and strengthen your weaknesses. You hear that all the time but it is true. It true! So video your lift (i do mine) and tear it apart and find your weakness. If you cant send me a copy and i will tell you what i think. If i cant send it to dave tate. But first listen to your body a little bit. And let it PR where it can. Not just 1 rep. To me a 1 rep max in trainng on bench (especially if your raw) isnt as much a test of strength as going for a double. Singles on the bench now will only be done with a shirt for me. Thats asking for injury. Hope i helped some and follow solids advice. Good luck lil bro!
 
good advice jay. I have one bench video taped, but its a horrible example, because i took too wide of a grip, didnt tuck my elbows...etc.
Its weird. i feel like im better at repping than i am at heavy weights. When i was doing 135 i could've done like 15, but then once you move up past like 170, its just sticking point city. And i dont understand it because i've done 175 x 3 before, and now getting 2 is a struggle. Hell, i've even done a reverse light band press with 215. As i get more experianced powerlifting gets more and more complicated.
 
maybe for everyone it's different and there is definately a chance that you have some body part that is lagging but for me, normally my mind isn't in it. when u try and try and try to find the problem sometimes u attempt to overanalyze form and everything else. i find myself doing this every once in a while. when i don't pr, my mind isnt in the right set to pr. you have to be ready to lift the weight mentally and channel everything you have into that lift.

a couple weeks ago, i was doing goodmornings. i knew when i hit a certain weight i was going to stop. the weight felt like it was absolutely crushing me, but my partner stepped up and did the weight. i could see their drive and i knew i just wasnt pushing with all i could. so i got under that bar and added another 50 lbs and took it up like it was nothing.

i have no idea if this helps at all. prolly not.
 
p03t1c , your right. Mental factors do play a large part in the lifts. and to be honest also, im not always there, and i sometimes doubt my self. I know that 200 is a big ass mental barrier for me, and its been a bitch ttrying to break it. Thanks for your input.
 
Do more board presses, get a tighter shirt, and do speed work. Unless you are naturally fast, or have figured out some way to have great bar speed without doing dynamic effort bench (PowerlifterJay comes to mind) then I think you are really shorting yourself by not doing speed work.

If that bar is moving fast as Hell when it gets to your sticking point, what do you think is going to happen? You will fly right through it. I know myself, if I am not moving the bar fast, a weight 50 lbs below my potential max will pin me down, whereas if I am moving it at proper speed, it "looks" easy.

I have never seen you bench, but most people's bar speed sucks donkey balls, even at powerlifting meets I have been to. Speed kills. This cannot be overemphasized.

You said something about benching with too wide a grip earlier, I don't understand this. Wide grip equals short stroke. I am only five seven or eight but shirt bench with my index fingers on the rings.

Make sure you are working on your rotators, this is often overlooked. Hit upper back hard, work your triceps hard on heavy barbell movements that emphasize the lockout (5 board press, rack lockouts, JM Press) these IMHO are much more important than dumbell tricep extensions and barbell tricep extensions, for contributing to lockout.

Also, train with the mentality that 200 aint shit. What the Hell does 200 have to hold over your head? That is a warmup weight to you. You are on the hunt for 300. 200 is something you hit in warmups backstage before you even bother putting your shirt on. You have to really beleive that. Don't just tell yourself this to fire yourself up. Make this "YOUR NEW TRUTH" . It just has to be that way. Beleive it first then acheive it soon thereafter.

B.
 
Bench- I do dynamic work each week, and it has been helping w/ my bar speed.
And about benching w/ too wide of a grip , what happened was the bar that i was using to train withhad the power rings closer than the competition bar. SO when i went to grab that bar i went pinky to the power rack, and didnt realize how wide i was until i watched the video, and realized that i sucked horribly.

I've been working my rotators like you said, especially cause i think i may have tweaked it doing illegal wides one day, not really a big deal, as it doesnt even hurt in most cases.

Now with the board presses, what grip should i use for 4 and 5 boards? Should i use a close grip, a normal grip a wide grip...???
And i should do the 4 or 5 boards as assistance and the 1,2,3 boards as ME Exercises, right?

Thanks for the help.
 
Just like to add that the mental aspect , like p03t1c posted above is important.I was stuck at the 400 mark awhile back.I didnt have the right mindset and confidence that I could do it

I starded doing static holds (425-450)range, which helped me get used to the feel of the weight.Once I did these,405 went up with no problem.

But like everybody else said there is so many factors-form,speed,elbows tucked,triceps etc.....

Good luck!
 
i've tried static holds before.. didnt get much out of them. I normall get used to my heavier weights doing rack lockouts, reverse band presses..etc . The static holds did make the weights feel lighter but didnt help much in the actual lift.
 
IIRC?? what does that mean? And i do not possess a deadlifters build.. im one of the people who isnt specialized in any of the lifts... im just not as developed in the bench as i am in the squat and deadlift (which still need much improvement)
 
Right in the middle? Usually, people get stuck right off the chest, which indicates a lack of leg drive and/or lat strength, or during the lockout, which obviously conveys that the triceps are not strong enough.

I don't know much about the middle of the lift, except that you should be accelerating through it. I have heard that the shoulders are recruited to the greatest extent during the middle of the lift, but I can't remember where i read that; somebody correct me if I'm wrong. If you aren't doing much shoulder work, though, you might want to begin including it during some day on your split. I do it during ME squat day. Plate raises, military presses, seated cleans, etc are all good. I would think that the seated clean movement would also strengthen the rotator cuff.

But like I said, you should be accelerating through the middle of the lift. So, perhaps your lats are too weak to develop adequate force required to accelerate the bar. Or, if you bench raw, your pectoral muscles could be lacking in strength; I believe that they are recruited to an extent while benching raw. Then again, it could be both of these, or, it could be something else entirely.

I hope this helps Deceiver.
 
If you are regressing have you thought of the possibility that maybe you were overtraining? When I had a brief stint with WestSide a few months ago my DL and SQ went up great and my Bench Just plummetted.

Make sure not go to failure on the assistance exercises.

Seems like you're doing everything right. Maybe you're just doing too much.

IIRC= If I recall correctly.

GL man,

-Zulu
 
Do you have long arms, short torso, medium to long legs? If this is you, you have a deadlifter's build, like me. The opposite is possessed by better benchers like PLJay and Bmonster.

How old are you again?
 
lilmikey- Your right, shoulders are recruited in the middle of the bench. It was briefly discussed in Ariochs article. After reading that, i've started doing consistant shoulder work. I THINK my bar speed is good, at least up to maybe 75% of my max, then it begins to slow.

Zulu- Never really thought i may be overtraining, because i havent been feeling any of the symptoms in it. Its weird, i can set PRs on my bench variations (reverse band press), but not my actual bench press.

Arioch- I have slightly long arms i guess, and i do have a short torso and and medium to long legs, so i guess i dont have a deadlifters build. Im 14 goin in 15 in a bit less than a month
 
this is actually where i fail in the bench. it's not at chest level or near the top. it's right in the middle. i do have weak shoulders. i cannot military press to save my life. i've been doing the bradford presses and continuing to work on speed and lat strength. perhaps this will cure the problem.
 
Arioch- I have slightly long arms i guess, and i do have a short torso and and medium to long legs, so i guess i dont have a deadlifters build

Um, this is pretty much what I wrote for a deadlifter's build. While not everyone has my freakish arm length, if your arms are longer than average, it will hurt your bench.

Im 14 goin in 15 in a bit less than a month

It is rather common for kids your age (I do not mean than disrespectfully, but my son is four years older than you) to plateau for no apparent reason. On the good side, this is generally followed by a growth spurt of some sort, and your lifts go up so fast during this time period that older people often chase you with sticks.
 
i've been hoping for a growth spurt for the past 2 years lol.. still hasnt realy come to me. I've only grown steadily over time, no sudden jumps in height.

Arioch, how big of a roll do you think the shoulders play in the mid part of the bench press?? Cause i know i am weak in the shoulders, for military press i'd be lucky if i got 6 reps at 115 :(
 
Quite a bit.

For a change, you can work the press (standing military) for a maximal effort exercise. This pretty much hits the entire shoulder, as the upper back is used to stabilze the bar. If you cannot clean the bar, just walk out of the squat rack with it in the finished position of the clean.

After a max effort single, do a set of six.

Another good shoulder exercise is the snatch grip press behind the neck. Works the entire shoulder again, as well as stretching the muscular of the chest.

The shoulders are the second most important muscle in the kinematic chain of the bench.
 
Arioch- recently i just changed gyms, and the people im training with and having me do seated military's. I use the same grip width i use on my bench (pinky to the power rings), and if i go anywider, it just doesnt feel right. Could be a lack of flexibility or something, but it just doesnt feel right.



So maybe the shoulders are the key to weak bench. I guess when i can press 1 plate on the seated military press, it means my shoulders arent lacking as much.
 
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arioch - you think that military presses are the best movement to develop the part of the shoulder that is most incorporated into the bench press? you know your shit and was wondering which part of the shoulder is used most. I think it is front deltoid; that would make most sense. but can you clarify which it is and tell which exercises can help to develop that the most? thanks
 
Now with the board presses, what grip should i use for 4 and 5 boards? Should i use a close grip, a normal grip a wide grip...???
And i should do the 4 or 5 boards as assistance and the 1,2,3 boards as ME Exercises, right?

Thanks for the help. [/B][/QUOTE]

I shirt up for board presses at least once per month. When I do this, I grip with a comp grip. This is the grip that I will use when locking out as heavy a weight as possible, so this is what I use when I do shirt/board presses. When I am not using the shirt for board presses, I bring my grip in to protect my funky shoulders. I use a medium grip for all 3 board and 2 board work, and a close grip for 5 board work. These are not set in stone, I move them around when going raw.

I recommend setting records with a 3 board with close medium and wide grips, then set 2 and 5 board records with 3 different grips as well. There are 9 different M.E. exercises right there. Add in the shirt for 2 more (5 board is too tall for comp grip) and you are up to 11. Throw on some bands for 5 more, now we are at 16, and reverse bands for 5 more, we are up to 21 M.E. exercises. That is half of a years worth of M.E. exercises right there.

Alternate doing one of the ones I just listed one week, with floor presses, inclines, declines, overhead pin press, dumbells for a rep max, or any of dozens of other exercises, and you have an entire years worth of M.E. work. Set a record every week or even every other week during that year, and you will laugh at the thought of ever having been stuck at 195.

Also, and I say this from the bottom of my heart. EAT SOMETHING!!!! Get as big as you can during your teenage years. Eat till you are sick, then eat some more. Take advantage of the best growing time you have. It was very hard for me to put on any size at all till I was in my 20's, but looking back, I was not giving myself all the chances to grow I should have. Eat a lot, and get plenty of sleep. Hit your triceps like your life depends upon it, hit upper back hard, and don't neglect the rotators, while following the game plan laid out above, and you will amaze yourself in a year's time.

B.
 
Very interesting. You gain well on everything thing else except the actual benchpress.

Maybe you're better off NOT training WS for your Benchpress, but periodizing your workouts with the flat bench.

Just throwing it out there as an idea... as it seems your bench gains seem very specific.

-Zulu
 
Zulu, thats what im thinking. Im probably gonna switch my bench routine to the one that some guys on Team NJ are doing and see how that goes.

Bench- you've been a great help. i appreciate it. and are you sure i cant just have like 20 lbs off your bench. Since you have a 525 bench now, you could give me 20 lbs, still be in the 500 club, and i could be in the 200 club (which isnt shit)
And as for gaining weight.. its just not comin easy to me.
Like yesterday, here's what i can remember about what i ate.
2 bowls of cereal
1 bowl of oatmeal
1 chicken pot pie
2 peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches (yum)
2 large chicken breasts and rice a roni
2 plums
1 pear
2 hot dogs
1 kraft macaroni and cheese thing that my sister didnt finish
and i think 2 mchicken sandwhiches.. im not sure if i had them yesterday or the day before. I know its not much, but thats all i can eat. I cant go out to eat cause its about 10000 degrees outside and im broke, my house has no good food.
 
" Zulu, thats what im thinking. Im probably gonna switch my bench routine to the one that some guys on Team NJ are doing and see how that goes. "

What is Team NJ doing?

-Zulu
 
The most active is the anterior (front) followed by the medial (middle) and posterior (rear). This is on the actual pressing motion itself. While the order does not change, there is more activation of the posterior head during the lowering phase.

I like heavy pressing type movements simply because they work very well. Bmonster's recommendations are very good as well, as all work the shoulders quite heavily.

One of the great things about the shoulder is that it is possible to train it with a wide variety of techniques, allowing recovery for both the muscle as well as the various nervous systems.
 
As this thread gets longer and i start deciding what to write, you guys say it first.

Deciever i would listen to them and hit the boards and shoulders. The very top is tricep, the bottom is lat ,pec, the middle is speed, and shoulders. Just my opinion. But i would start hitting some 2brd presses paused for hard ass reps of three. Then max out with the two and three boards seperate workouts by doing a touch n go off the boards or however your raw benching, speed wise, meaning up and down. But like i said earlier 1 month at a weight is nothing. If it always just kept rising monthly someone would have benched 900lbs by now. Try new shit for 1 month. But hit boards hard.

More back work too. That can never hurt.
 
Thanks Arioch for the reply and Bmonster for the shoulder stuff. I already do shoulder work, but i was curious if certain exercises were better than others for this application. Thanks

(btw that isn't a question... i was saying you answered it)
 
I'm not sure if anyone said this or not but GAIN WEIGHT, that always helps with strength.
 
Yeah, i think gaining weight was mentioned, but its always good to re-itterate a point. Its easier said than done.
I've been trying
Iweighed myself an hour ago, and tipped the scales at 136.5 :)
 
Ok most people will say eat protein protein protein but I say screw that. Eat ABOUT 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight, try and get some good fats(flax or fish oil) and eat a shit pot full of carbs.
 
I try to get alot of protein,but I dont go over board about it.I take a muti-vitamin and drink protein shakes sometimes but thats about it.

I do try to eat five times a day.

Lots ofpPeanut butter and jelly sandwiches!
 
i hate milk and cheese... but i love eggs, tuna, meat, peanut butter and jelly, fast foods..etc. . i only drink milk with my cereal.
 
do you guys drink the premixed stuff, or do you make your own? if i'm out and thirsty ill opt for a chocolate milk chug rather than a soda. if home though i'll make my own. I don't like the nesquik as much as hersheys syrup. there is also this new 3 musketeers "sundae topping", which is basically something you can mix into milk. It's pretty good! I'd check it out. I like strawberry milk too.
 
i mix my own, but u can buy the premixed from walmart for pretty cheap.

other suggestions (cheap):
totino's pizzas
pot pies
kolaches
ice cream
 
Read this. Great advice!!

Bench Press 600 Pounds
A 12 Step Program
by Dave Tate



Obviously, not everyone has the genetic raw material to bench press 600 pounds. However, if anyone can teach you to increase your bench, it's Dave Tate. Dave's been assisting and training under Louie Simmons of Westside Barbell fame for over 10 years. He's also the co-owner of Elite Fitness Systems and has consulted thousands of athletes throughout the world. When an athlete wants to get stronger and gain an edge in the world of elite, world class competition, the name Dave Tate is often on the short list of strength coaches who can get the job done. As you'll see, Dave "walks the walk" as well as "talks the talk" when it comes to getting bigger and stronger. We're proud to welcome him as a Testosterone contributor.


I spend most of my weekends in transit these days. In fact, I'm writing this article on a plane headed to yet another seminar I'm conducting. This travel time gives me the chance to think, relax, and reflect on many issues dealing with training and life. I also use the time to prepare for my upcoming seminar or consulting session. I normally sit here going over what topics I'll be presenting and how I can better relate them to my audience. But today there's a problem. No there's not a creature on the wing throwing monkey wrenches into the plane's engines, but it's almost that bad. The problem is all I can think about is my bench press!

You see, I train at Westside Barbell, which is renowned for producing world-caliber strength athletes. I've been a part of this group since 1990. Before that, I had spent five years stuck at a 1955 pound total in powerlifting. Then I tore my right pectoralis major tendon while trying to bench 500 at a bench press competition. I figured that was the end of competition days and thought about retiring from the sport. Then I thought to myself, retire from what? I haven't done anything yet!

I knew I had two options: I could keep training the way I always had and totally fall apart, or I could move to Columbus to train under the watchful eye of Louie Simmons. It wasn't that difficult of a decision. After the surgery I packed the car and moved to Columbus. That was over 10 years ago. Since then, my lifts have increased to a 935-pound squat, 585-pound bench and a 740-pound deadlift. This was after my surgeon told me I'd never bench over 400 again!

Although my bench press has increased 85 pounds, it's still a far cry from where it should be. At Westside we have 34 guys benching over 500 pounds and eight benching over 600. (In fact, six of those eight guys press over 650!) My bench pretty much sucks when compared to the others in the gym. When people ask me for bench advice, I cringe because I'm still chasing 600. I've missed that mark five times in competition at the time of this writing.

I kept telling myself that once I push up 600 pounds I'd write a definitive article on benching. Well, I haven't hit that mark yet, but I do have the biggest bench out of everyone on my flight, so I'm feeling like an authority on benching at the moment. Who knows, maybe writing this article I'll teach myself something, or remember something I've forgotten? I also feel the need to write this because of the vast amount of misinformation out there on this subject. I feel there're 12 components to a great bench press. If we apply these 12 steps, then perhaps you and I both will reach our bench press goals.


12 Steps to a Bigger Bench

1 – Train the Triceps

Years ago, if you had asked Larry Pacifico how to get a big bench, he'd have told you to train the triceps. This same advice applies today. This doesn't mean doing set after set of pushdowns, kickbacks, and other so-called "shaping" exercises. Training your triceps for a big bench has to involve heavy extensions and close-grip pressing movements such as close-grip flat and incline bench presses, close-grip board presses, and JM presses.

Various barbell and dumbbell extensions should also be staples of your training program. Don't let anyone try to tell you the bench press is about pec strength. These people don't know the correct way to bench and are setting you up for a short pressing career with sub-par weights. I just read an article in one of the major muscle magazines by one of these authors on how to increase your bench press. The advice given was to train your pecs with crossovers and flies and your bench will go up! This, along with many other points, made me wonder how this article ever got published or better yet, how much the author himself could bench.

I believe articles should go under a peer review board before they get printed. I'd like many of my peers to review these authors in the gym or better yet on the bench to see how much they really know. Bottom line: Train the triceps!

2 – Keep your shoulder blades pulled together and tight.

This is a very important and often overlooked aspect of great bench pressing. While pressing you have to create the most stable environment possible. This can't be done if most of your shoulder blades are off the bench. The bench is only so wide and we can't change this, but we can change how we position ourselves on the bench.

When you pull your shoulder blades together you're creating a tighter, more stable surface from which to press. This is because more of your body is in contact with the bench. The tightness of your upper back also contributes. These techniques also change the distance the bar will have to travel. The key to pressing big weight is to press the shortest distance possible.

3 – Keep the pressure on your upper back and traps.

This is another misunderstood aspect of pressing. You want the pressure around the supporting muscles. This is accomplished by driving your feet into the floor, thereby driving your body into the bench. Try this: Lie on the bench and line up so your eyes are four inches in front of the bar (toward your feet). Now using your legs, drive yourself into the bench to put pressure on the upper back and traps. Your eyes should now be even with the bar. This is the same pressure that needs to be applied while pushing the barbell.

4 – Push the bar in a straight line.

Try to push the bar toward your feet. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, right? Then why in the world would some coaches advocate pressing in a "J" line toward the rack? If I were to bench the way most trainers are advocating (with my elbows out, bringing the bar down to the chest and pressing toward the rack) my barbell travel distance would be 16 inches. Now, if I pull my shoulder blades together, tuck my chin and elbows, and bring the bar to my upper abdominals or lower chest, then my pressing distance is only 6.5 inches. Now which would you prefer? If you want to push up a bar-bending load of plates, you'd choose the shorter distance.

Here's another important aspect of pressing in this style. By keeping your shoulder blades together and your chin and elbows tucked, you'll have less shoulder rotation when compared to the J-line method of pressing. This is easy to see by watching how low the elbows drop in the bottom part of the press when the barbell is on the chest. With the elbows out, most everyone's elbows are far lower than the bench. This creates a tremendous amount of shoulder rotation and strain.

Now try the same thing with the elbows tucked and shoulder blades together while bringing the barbell to your upper abdominals. For most people, the elbows are usually no lower than the bench. Less shoulder rotation equals less strain on the shoulder joint. This means pressing bigger weights for many more years. I've always been amazed at trainers that suggest only doing the top half of the bench press, i.e. stopping when the upper arms are parallel to the floor. This is done to avoid the excess shoulder rotation. All they have to do is teach their clients the proper way to bench in the first place!

5 – Keep the elbows tucked and the bar directly over the wrists and elbows.

This is probably the most important aspect of great pressing technique. The elbows must remain tucked to keep the bar in a straight line as explained above. Keeping the elbows tucked will also allow lifters to use their lats to drive the bar off the chest. Football players are taught to drive their opponents with their elbows tucked, then explode through. This is the same for bench pressing. Bench pressing is all about generating force. You can generate far more force with your elbows in a tucked position compared to an "elbows out" position.

The most important aspect of this is to keep the barbell in a direct line with the elbow. If the barbell is behind the elbow toward the head, then the arm position becomes similar to an extension, not a press.

6 – Bring the bar low on your chest or upper abdominals.

This is the only way you can maintain the "barbell to elbow" position as described above. You may have heard the advice, "Bring it low" at almost every powerlifting competition. This is the reason why. Once again, the barbell must travel in a straight line.

7 – Fill your belly with air and hold it.

For maximum attempts and sets under three reps, you must try to hold your air. Everyone must learn to breathe from their bellies and not their chests. If you stand in front of the mirror and take a deep breath, your shoulders shouldn't rise. If they do you're breathing the air into your chest, not your belly. Greater stability can be achieved in all the lifts when you learn how to pull air into the belly. Try to expand and fill the belly with as much air as possible and hold it. If you breathe out during a maximum attempt, the body structure will change slightly, thus changing the groove in which the barbell is traveling.

8 – Train with compensatory acceleration.

Push the bar with maximal force. Whatever weight you're trying to push, be it 40% or 100% of your max, you must learn to apply 100% of the force to the barbell. If you can bench 500 pounds and are training with 300 pounds, you must then apply 500 pounds of force to the 300-pound barbell. This is known as compensatory acceleration and it can help you break through sticking points.

These sticking points are known as your "mini maxes," or the points at which you miss the lift or the barbell begins to slip out of the groove. Many times I'm asked what to do if the barbell gets stuck four to five inches off the chest. Everybody wants to know what exercise will help them strengthen this area or what body part is holding them back. Many times it isn't what you do to strengthen the area where it sticks, but what you can do to build more acceleration in the area before the mini max. If you can get the bar moving with more force then there won't be a sticking point. Instead, you'll blast right through it. Compensatory acceleration will help you do this.

9 – Squeeze the barbell and try to pull the bar apart!

Regardless of the lift, you have to keep your body as tight as Monica Brant's behind. You'll never lift big weights if you're in a relaxed physical state while under the barbell. The best way to get the body tight is by squeezing the bar. We've also found that if you try to pull the bar apart or "break the bar," the triceps seem to become more activated.

10 – Devote one day per week to dynamic-effort training.

According to Vladimir Zatsiorsinsky in his text Science and Practice of Strength Training, there are three ways to increase muscle tension. These three methods include the dynamic-effort method, the maximal-effort method, and the repetition method. Most training programs being practiced in the US today only utilize one or two of these methods. It's important, however, to use all three.

The bench press should be trained using the dynamic-effort method. This method is best defined as training with sub-maximal weights (45 to 60%) at maximal velocities. The key to this method is bar speed. Percentage training can be very deceiving. The reason for this is because lifters at higher levels have better motor control and recruit more muscle than a less experienced lifter.

For example, the maximal amount of muscle you could possibility recruit is 100%. Now, the advanced lifter _ after years of teaching his nervous system to be efficient _ may be able to recruit 70 to 80% of muscle fibers, while the intermediate might be able to recruit only 50%. Thus, the advanced lifter would need less percent weight than the intermediate. This is one of the reasons why an advanced lifter squatting 80% of his max for 10 reps would kill himself while a beginner could do it all day long.

If you base the training on bar speed, then the percentages are no longer an issue, only a guideline. So how do you know where to start? If you're an intermediate lifter, I suggest you start at 50% of maximal and see how fast you can make it move for three reps. If you can move 20 more pounds with the same speed then use the heavier weight.

Based on years of experience and Primlin's charts for optimal percent training, we've found the best range to be eight sets of three reps. Based on Primlin's research, the optimal range for 70% and less is 12 to 24 repetitions.

We've also found it very beneficial to train the bench using three different grips, all of which are performed within the rings. This may break down into two sets with the pinky fingers on the rings, three sets with three fingers from the smooth area of the bar and three sets with one finger from the smooth area.

11 – Devote one day per week to maximal-effort training.

For the second bench day of the week (72 hours after the dynamic day) you should concentrate on the maximal-effort method. This is best defined as lifting maximal weights (90% to 100%) for one to three reps. This is one of the best methods to develop maximal strength. The key here is to strain. The downfall is you can't train above 90% for longer than three weeks without having adverse effects.

Try performing a max bench press every week for four or five weeks. You'll see you may progress for the first two, maybe three weeks, then your progress will halt and begin to work its way backward. We've combated this by switching up the maximal-effort exercises. We rotate maximal-effort movements such as the close-grip incline press, board press, floor press, and close-grip flat press. These exercises are all specific to bench pressing and all have a very high carryover value.

12 – Train the lats on the same plane as the bench.

I'm talking about the horizontal plane here. In other words, you must perform rows, rows, and more rows. "If you want to bench big then you need to train the lats." I've heard both George Hilbert and Kenny Patterson say this for years when asked about increasing the bench press. When you bench you're on a horizontal plane. So would it make sense from a balance perspective to train the lats with pulldowns, which are on a vertical plane? Nope. Stick to the barbell row if you want a big bench.


Now that my trip is over and I'm back in Columbus, I no longer feel like an authority on bench pressing. My 585 pound bench press is considered sort of "puny" by Westside standards, after all. By writing this article, however, I've realized a few things I need to change about my bench pressing. I bet you have too. Hopefully, I've helped you correct a few problems that might've been keeping you from breaking your own personal record. Remember, the smallest things often bring the biggest results.
 
i actually had a decent bench day today
Here's how it went.
Speed bench- 8 x 3 with 95lbs with mini bands set up in a miller band press fashion
1 x 1 with 115 w/ same band setup
1 x 1 with 145 w/ same band setup

I love the way this band setup made it feel. Not shaky at all, very even tension. Tension throughout everything inch of movement.
145 had to have been around 190-200 at lockout.

The weird thing is that when i unracked it i thought "shit this is heavy" and then i just thoght about leg drive, brought down, drove my legs into the bench, and then the weight just popped up :) .
So i was pretty happy with that.
 
Great job Deceiver,

And Parabellum, that was one of the first articles I read about Westside. It got me to thinking that a big bench might actually be possible for me someday. I am pretty sure as I type this that I have read every article Dave or Louie has ever written, and even after reading everything out there, I still point people toward that article as the beginning point on their westside journey.

If you can read that without having a burning desire to throw up some serious weight, then you need to reach down between your legs and make sure you still have a pair. That goes for the ladies too. Only yours are a "virtual pair".

Great post.

B.
 
bench- i never realized how much leg drive could help . Im sure i would've struggled a bit if i didnt drive w/ my legs, but im amazed at how smoothly it went up. Didnt even slow at my sticking point.

Im kinda re-vamping my bench form.
Instead of going flat, im getting a little arch , moved my grip in a bit, one thing i still have to work on is getting my stroke to go in a straight line, I push it slightly backwards, and it makes a world of difference to me? Is there really any downside to pushing it backwards besides the lengthened stroke?
 
Nothing has improved my bench more than following what Dave's article taught me. It's been said before that you can pick up 25-50 lbs benching the way Dave specified.

My friends taught me how to set myself up on the bench. But what really helped me was pushing toward my feet instead of my face.

I try to pass on the information every time someone asks me in the gym. Most people, it goes in one ear and out the other, until they see what you can do, then they really listen.

I'm not that strong but I can through more weight up than the refrigerators walking around the gym,I love it when they stop what they are doing and stare or better yet when they try my number and bomb.

It happened last week. I figure my max is about 340 now and this is with 7 weeks of westside and over 2 years of being in the gym 1 day out of the month,(Lazy, tired, blah, blah, excuses.)

I would add that my all time best max on the bench was 2 years ago after 4 years of steady working out at 325 for 3 reps and some test and d-ball, to be honest.


I'm so excited I'm going to break 405 this year for sure. No doubt now that I know how to work out the right way.
 
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Deciever said:
Is there really any downside to pushing it backwards besides the lengthened stroke?

I think that there is more shoulder rotation, but depending on how much you push it backwards, it may be negligible. However, when you have a shitload of weight in your hands, the smallest things do make a difference. So as long as you are reconstructing the way you perform bench, learn to push the bar straight which is actually toward your feet a little bit. It might feel weird at first; at least try it with the bar to get a feel for it. It will help a lot.
 
Deceiver,

Everyone does this to some extent. There is no way to truly push up in exactly a straight line. What you want to do is attempt to push in a straight line as much as possible. This puts you in a better position to push as well as shortening the stroke.

As long as you dont have an exagerrated push over the face, I think you will be fine. Ideally the bottom is on the upper abs, while the top will be over the chest, but realistically, how are you going to lockout a weight unless the hands and bar are pretty close to a line over the shoulder joints? I cannot hold a barbell with anywhere near my max over my belly, it comes back over my chest.

Regarding arching. If you can do it, do it. Don't do it to the extent you hurt your back, but if you are flexible enough to turn it into a decline, do so. Most can decline significantly more than they flat bench. Make sure to pinch the shoulders and arch the upper back. The lower back doesn't matter much.

B.
 
thanks for the answers. Its not an exaggerated arch or an exaggerated push towards the face, it just slants slightly back wards. I have a lot better bar speed that way, and it feels more natural.
 
Hey guys no flame intended, but I have heard repeatedly that teenagers shouldn't do serious weightlifting until age 16 at the earliest. Heavy, prolonged weightlifting will stint a teenager's growth, apparently. Don't have a reference but I do know Lee Priest was a hardcore bodybuilder by age 12...he's like 5'4".

Would like to hear input on this. If I ever have kids they can mess around in my home gym and I might show them a few things but until they're at least 16 they will concentrate on actually platying sports and just playing, not training.

JC
 
we're really concentrating on getting stronger here and unless they begin having height divisions no one is really going to care. i'll never be a basketball star. i actually wish now that i could shave off a couple inches and grab some shorter arms. i might actually bench a little better.

lee priest isn't 5'4" just because of bodybuilding. there are lots of people out there that are huge and have been lifting just as long.
 
I tower over toddlers and infants at a formidable five feet six and two thirds inches. Seriously. Oddly enough, this is 66.66 inches. Perhaps my malevolent alternate personality will break through one day. 666.

Seriously though, I don't think that it will stunt your growth majorly. I started sophomore year in high school and i'm going to be a senior next year. I'm shorter than my father by about an inch, but, my mother is five foot one and my grandmother is barely larger than a Smurf. I think that genetic factors play a much larger role than weightlifting does. I think one of the main reasons that the doctors or whatever say not to start early is because it might hinder development of bone density...? I am not sure on this, I remember hearing it somewhere, though.
 
I think that is one of the many myths floating around. As long as a teenager trains with good form,spotters etc...they shouldnt have any problems.

I dont have many regrets in life.But one of them is that did not take up weight lifting at a earlier age.I did not start lifting weights until I was 22.

I found this article that talks about teenage lifters:http://www.journalism.indiana.edu/gallery/student/j201spring01/Asher/enclossi/#myth
 
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i've heard over head presses can really mess it up.. that was a story from one of my new training partners. he said that this guy had his son training heavy militarys and shit when he was like 12 and 13 and it compressed his spine and he was 2 inches shorter than last years check up at the doctors, but once he stopped his spine un-compressed.
I've had good luck w/ lifting, i've actually grown more since i started lifting
 
Hey guys no flame intended, but I have heard repeatedly that teenagers shouldn't do serious weightlifting until age 16 at the earliest. Heavy, prolonged weightlifting will stint a teenager's growth, apparently.

Crap. There is absolutely no evidence to support this. Premature closure of the growth plates can occur in individuals who use AAS prior to full skeletal maturation, but not in AAS-free athletes.


I started lifting at age 12. I am 5'10". My son started at 10. He is now my height.

Deceiver, the doctor who said that probably ordered his degree through a late night infomercial.
 
This is a bullshit argument I have heard since I was a toddler, and it was old and outdated even back then.

People go to a powerlifting meet, or an olympic lifting meet, and notice that all the lifters exept for the very heaviest weight classes are very short. Since most people don't have the sack to hit the weights, they are looking for anything bad they can come up with to make up for their lack of courage.

Well all these guys lift weights, all these guys are short, therefore lifting weights must make you short. Never do they think as an intelligent person would, that perhaps shorter people are more suited to powerlifting.

This is just as stupid as saying "since basketball players are tall, then playing basketball makes you taller" don't hear that argument often do you? I played basketball all my life, got to where I could grab the rim, and actually missed a dunk a couple of times in college.

I am a whopping five feet seven and one half inches tall. I am short because I was born to be short. My brother had the same nutrition growing up that I did. He began lifting weights at the same age I did. He played the same sports that I did, and he is 6 feet 2 1/2. Becuase he was born to be that tall.

I did not take up powerlifting till I was 26 years old. I had lifted for other sports training since age 16, but I was the same height I am today at age 13. The weights did not make me short, they have just made me strong, good looking, and freaking bullet-proof.

B.
 
I agree, that is bullshit. I too tower over a few infants at a huge 5'5" tall but my whole family is short. My dad is only 5'8" and is the tallest other than my brother who takes more after the other side of the family. But I know several guys that are well over 6' and one close to 7' who all trained at early ages.

joncrane-if you were to not allow your kids to lift weights until they are 16 then I think that you would be giving them a huge injustice. So you want to discourage them from wanting to exercise before they are 16? Sorry dude I dont agree with that but opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. I think puberty is the most important thing to wait on before lifting weights but once its here let the kids go.
 
i started lifting when i was 13 years old, and was 5' tall. Now i am about 5'6 and am growing at a faster rate than my brother whose a year older than me and a few inches taler than me. So i dont think that lifting can stunt your growth IF you are smart about it. Who knows, lifting may maxamize your growth potential by releasing all those hormones and stuff,.
 
He is a powerlifter. Only competes ocassionally, but loves it.

Tried to push him into Olympic lifting, but as soon as he found out that the first lift he would probably beat the old man on was the bench, you can guess what he started to focus on.

Little prick.
 
He is going to have to cut to make 198. He just turned 18 last month.

Closing in on 1500 total. Pulled 525 last week.

Ahh but isn't it a bonding experience to lift with your son?

It is like everything else I do with him. I routinely alternate between being the proudest man on earth and wanting to slap the shit out of him.
 
Arioch said:
It is like everything else I do with him. I routinely alternate between being the proudest man on earth and wanting to slap the shit out of him. [/B]

I feel the same way about my son. When he pulled 185 weighing 140 or so at age 10 in his first powerlifting meet, I wanted to cry, I was so proud. Within a week, however, I wanted to strangle him like Homer does Bart at least 2 or 3 times.

Same thing during football season. He gets a sack, or runs down a tailback, and I am so proud I cannot contain myself, then the next day, he wants to give me shit because I expect his room to be cleaned, and then I have to strangle him again. I think my kids are trying to kill me. They are smart enough not to try a frontal assault, and instead are wearing me down with irritations, until one of these days I am going to hear one whine too many, have an anuerism, and begin bleeding from my ears.

B.
 
"I saw her snatch this morning, and it was magnificent!"

my sister just had a baby boy which has only made me come to one realization: i don't wanna have kids for a long long time!
 
I watched my wife go through c-sections. I had to peek over the curtain cause the curiosity was killing me. It is a strange thing to see the insides of your wife. She was completely awake the whole time and talking to me. That too was weird. You would not think a human could survive something like that.

I know I could not. That is why the women have to have the babies, I am not tough enough for it.

B.
 
The myth of weights shrinking people is all old school wise tails. My buddy AKA Tapout believes that shit and actually tells people he is 1 inch shorter then he used to be, in fact he said it in the thread regarding my height. He said Heavy Squattin compressed his spine and he lost height. I feel liek saying whatever but i just shake my head cause you cannot win an arguement with him. He has never squatte over 550 and i can only imagine what his fragile body would be like if he got to 700lbs. He would probably be in a wheel chair.

I think the only time you are compressed in a squat is during the lift. If you just instantly got smaller by a compressed spine yu would be in incredable pain. YOu do not get smaller from weight lifting. If your back is so fucked up from squattin and you are in too much pain from years of heavy squattin and are un able to go over 500 lbs in my opinion the injury that keeps you from going over 500 would also double you over in pain with 300 or 400lbs. A fucked up back is a fucked up back. But just cause your back is fucked up doesnt mean its your compressed spine. It means you have a bad back.
 
here is one i cant belive i forgot. i am currently gaining weight since hovering near 200 isnt going to help my lifts too much. people ask me why i eat so much, and i tell them i'm trying to gain weight. they ask how much i'm going to gain. at this point i can either dump the conversation by saying 10-15 lbs or i can give them the real answer which is in the 260-275 range. as soon as i give the real answer i hear "ohh you're just going to be a fat ass". these are the same people that advise me to try negatives cause they build real strength and also 21s.

also i get "ohh when you stop lifting you're going to just be fat". i dont understand how i go from being made of muscle to just being a big fatass. where do these people get their info? they also love to comment on how bad it is for me to ditch carbs while dieting. i try to NEVER EVER talk about my weightlifting to other people outside my little circle. they simply do not understand. they simply watch golf all day and talk about how big lifts are just pure steroids. if only this were true. i'd go hit the roids and grab my 800lb bench.
 
Hey guys thanks for clarifying that. I will definitely let my kids lift (if they so desire) once they hit puberty.

Sheesh talking like I already have kids. I don't even have a girlfriend yet.

JC
 
I've got weak shoulders too. So I mixed in some 2 reps for 6 sets overhead barbell press after NARROW bench press of the same rep scheme. Shoulders got stronger, bench got stronger too. Reached sticking point on both, and now I'm doing 6 reps for 4 sets on the bench and overhead press. I haven't done wide grip/normal grip bench for a while. You may be better off switching to a narrow grip bench for a while.:idea:
 
I listened to alot of the advice given on this thread, and even though i wasnt feelin to strong i still hit 175 x 3 on the bench press.... it ties my old PR, but it was alot stronger. And to think.. at the contest i only got 175 w / a shirt.
 
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