Bdsm???

[FriendlyCanadian]

Submission is a gift that is granted from a submissive to a dominant it is not something that is taken, but you're still mistaken if you think the submissive has "ALL" the control, all being a very key word.

infact they do it mainly to give up control to lose control the power exchange is what really gets most of them going, more so then whatever other facet of the lifestyle they chose to indulge in.

Yes thier is a safe word and they can stop something at any time, but submissives also have limits. So if you tell her to choke on your cock because you want to fuck her pretty little whore face and she doesn't feel like it that day, No she does not use the safe word. Safe words are for extreme intenses, a D/s relationship is one of the most trusting relationships imaginable it has to be really or else someone can seriously get hurt or things can go to far.

I still strongly disagree that the submissive has ALL the control and I can get some submissives or slaves to come here and tell you that themselves, they do it to GIVE UP control, unless they are topping from the bottom but that's just being bratty and is more of a challenge then anything else.

Yes they give you the gift of thier submission is it something that has to be earned, but once it is earned especially in a slave/Master relationship the Master then at that point pretty much has control.

alot of people are just bedroom Doms and submissives but some people enjoy this lifestyle on a 24/7 basis and not just when the bedroom door opens.

bsdm is alot more then just beating and bondage and leather, for alot of people it's a very commited relationship, shit for some sluts it's just cock whorshipping and all about giving pleasure with absolutely no pain involved of any kinds.

please explain to me how a slave/submissive has All the control if you think I'm out to lunch on this.

 

[chazk]

Submission is a gift that is granted from a submissive to a dominant it is not something that is taken, but you're still mistaken if you think the submissive has "ALL" the control, all being a very key word.

infact they do it mainly to give up control to lose control the power exchange is what really gets most of them going, more so then whatever other facet of the lifestyle they chose to indulge in.

Yes thier is a safe word and they can stop something at any time, but submissives also have limits. So if you tell her to choke on your cock because you want to fuck her pretty little whore face and she doesn't feel like it that day, No she does not use the safe word. Safe words are for extreme intenses, a D/s relationship is one of the most trusting relationships imaginable it has to be really or else someone can seriously get hurt or things can go to far.

I still strongly disagree that the submissive has ALL the control and I can get some submissives or slaves to come here and tell you that themselves, they do it to GIVE UP control, unless they are topping from the bottom but that's just being bratty and is more of a challenge then anything else.

Yes they give you the gift of thier submission is it something that has to be earned, but once it is earned especially in a slave/Master relationship the Master then at that point pretty much has control.

alot of people are just bedroom Doms and submissives but some people enjoy this lifestyle on a 24/7 basis and not just when the bedroom door opens.

bsdm is alot more then just beating and bondage and leather, for alot of people it's a very commited relationship, shit for some sluts it's just cock whorshipping and all about giving pleasure with absolutely no pain involved of any kinds.

please explain to me how a slave/submissive has All the control if you think I'm out to lunch on this.

BUT, with out submissives no dominate people would exist. It would simply be abuse. Giving control is a gift as mentioned. When you start you set up the safe word and you tell you're limits. YOU the sub has just said how far you are willing to take it AND can stop it anytime. Say for instance If a sub is chained to a iron cross and being hit, the sub gave permission. The sub is allowing the dominate to do the WORK. Pretty much the salve gets to enjoy the rush of the highs and lows of the flogging. The sensations, the emotional feelings , the physical feelings , the endorphine release. The dom thinks that are in control . BUT they are not with out permission from the sub the whole event would never take place. Can someone loose control during a session yes that can happen. BUT then it just becomes abuse ,or rape if sex is invloved past the subs willingness.

It is a very borderline gray area of who is in control . The dom feels they are in control becuase they are doing the work, be it restraining someone,Flashlight interogations, belting,lashing,flogging . With out the sub allowing it the whole thing would be againts the subs will and just a illegal activity that could be punishable by law. So the sub allows the dom to do things that would under normal circumstances be illegal. Then again the sub allowed it giving permission or controling the entire event.

as far as the cock worshipping thing , remeber if the guy did not want his cock worshiped if he was trying to sleep or something , Then he is the sub submitting to having to have his cock worshipped.
Their have been times when i dont want head, I want to go to the gym but my wife wants to suck it , so I stay and let her become a cockmonstersucker.
The forms of worship with out pain. Can be a mental and physical stress also.
as far as the 24/7 lifestyle many couples are like that.
the dom is the sub in daily life , and in the bedroom the daily life sub takes over in the bedroom.
Or a man becomes a " little piggy " he is a slave 24/7 finacially, sexually , mentally, physcially to the women.

 

[calveless wonder]

I'm serious. It's not.

nef, i found your theme song

 

[nefertiti]

nef, i found your theme song

Haaaahahahahaha...that's great.

 

[calveless wonder]

Haaaahahahahaha...that's great.

if you lived in the southeast, you'd soooooo be toast

 

[digger]

Here ya go:

http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200510/1416509054.htm

Ghost, by John Ringo

I thought I was getting some straight-up military sci-fi. He does that, too, but I had a real WTF? moment about a third of the way into THIS one... it's the first book in a very odd little series about a Punisher/Executioner type who just happens to be a Dom.

But it's... readable. And even educational if you've had a sheltered upbringing, I suppose.

 

[heatherrae]

Here ya go:

http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200510/1416509054.htm

Ghost, by John Ringo

I thought I was getting some straight-up military sci-fi. He does that, too, but I had a real WTF? moment about a third of the way into THIS one... it's the first book in a very odd little series about a Punisher/Executioner type who just happens to be a Dom.

But it's... readable. And even educational if you've had a sheltered upbringing, I suppose.

That is odd. I skimmed some of it and it seemed, as you said, to be a military/action book to me. I don't have time to read it now, but I was looking for the juicy bits...lol.

 

[digger]

That is odd. I skimmed some of it and it seemed, as you said, to be a military/action book to me. I don't have time to read it now, but I was looking for the juicy bits...lol.

Chapter six for the straight sex, and the fun starts in chapter seven.

(Courtney is calling her mother, Abigail, long distance)

"This is a conversation, frankly, that I've both wanted to have and dreaded," Abigail said sadly, "because things like this, I've noticed, tend to run in families. Now you know why I've tried to get you to act more like a lady. A woman should be a perfect lady in public and a whore when the bedroom door closes. And the bedroom door, dear, is anything that prevents the mundanes from knowing what is going on. I won't tell you some of the things that I've done that would shock you. But they would shock you. And there is a group here, friends of ours. All the times your father and I went out to 'dinner and a movie' and left you with a sitter, we weren't going out to a movie."

"Do I know any of these people?" Courtney said, her eyes wide.

"Yes," her mother said. "And I won't name names. I strongly doubt that you'd guess who most of them are."

"Mrs. Mathers," Courtney said definitely. "But . . ."

"She wouldn't mind," Abigail said humorously. "Good guess. But call her Mistress Mathers, if you would. But not in public."

(...)

Mike got the boat secured to the rear and decided the rest could wait. He walked over to Courtney and took the phone.

"Mike Jenkins," he said. "This is Courtney's mother?"

"Yes," Abigail said pleasantly. "How do you do, Mr. Jenkins?"

"Fine," Mike replied, going into the closed bridge and then down to the lounge. He could faintly hear Pam doggedly arguing with someone in her cabin.

"I understand you'd like to go to the Bahamas with my daughter?" Abigail asked.

"If it can be arranged," Mike answered. "Getting over there is easy, you just point the boat east and go. Getting back, however, requires getting past American customs and immigration. They want to ensure that even your daughter is, in fact, an American citizen. Thus the birth certificate."

"It's the going on the trip that interests me," Abigail said sweetly. "I understand you're a top?"

Mike paused and his eyebrow raised.

"Have an interesting conversation with Courtney?" Mike asked. "I heard the occasional shouts of 'Mother!' from the flying bridge. Yes, I am."

"Are you a member of the Society?" Abigail asked evenly.

"No," Mike said. "I've never been in the Black Rose. It's . . . a bit further out than I care to go. I don't suppose you were at Disclave?"

"No," Abigail said tartly. "But I've heard the story. I'm very worried about safety."

"And I know what safety you're worried about," Mike said, shrugging. "I was in a monogamous dom-sub relationship for seven years with no problems. The girls are . . . inexperienced. That is, of course, fun. But I'm being very careful and intend to be very careful with their boundaries and with all standard safety issues, especially gags. I generally prefer ring gags, anyway, which are about as safe as you can get. I order from JR and Discrete in Boston."

"Oh, do you know Bob Thorson at Discrete?" Abigail asked.

Mike opened his mouth to reply and froze. He did, but not as Mike "Jenkins." Bob was a former Force Recon Marine and had a Ph.D. in Abnormal Psychology. He was a world expert in B&D and S&M and had been an adjunct professor at Harvard before quitting to become, in his words, "a professional pervert," and opening a bondage shop. His favorite part was that he didn't have to pay for workers; all his assistants were volunteers who got "paid" in testing out the gear he ordered.

"Mr. Jenkins?"

"Mike, please," he replied. "Ma'am, I do, but not as Mike Jenkins. Due to the work that I do with the government, I have more than one, fully legal, identity. That is not bullshitting and I'd prefer that you not tell the girls." He closed his eyes and shook his head. "If you want a reference, ask him about Mike Harmon." Shit, he even knew his damned team name! "But I'd really prefer that you just say some guy named 'Mike' who used to be a SEAL."

"Okay," Abigail said uncertainly. "That bothers me, but I'll call Bob and ask him. Did you know him when he was a Marine?"

"No," Mike said. "That was before my time and the teams and Recon don't mix much, anyway. I called him to order some stuff and we got to talking, you know how he is. I was pretty inexperienced at the time. I'd been doing B and D and didn't know what I was doing and I got his book . . ."

"Roses is a great book," Abigail said, the grin clear in her voice.

"That it is," Mike said, grinning right back. "Anyway, we got to talking. I was a SEAL instructor at the time, married. He gave me a great lecture on safety . . ."

"He's big on safety," Abigail said. "I'd hate to say 'too' big on safety, but . . ."

"He's a pro," Mike said, shrugging. "Anyway, I know him. But he doesn't know me as Mike Jenkins. He doesn't even know that I'm in the Keys, or for that matter out of the teams. I don't think I've talked to him in three or four
years. He might not remember me."

"Well, I think I'll take you on your word," Abigail said. "What are you planning on doing for scene with the girls?"

Mike rolled his eyes and shrugged.

"We've got the time and luxury to . . . take our time," Mike said. "I'd, frankly, planned a rather drawn-out slave-training scene. Captured girls, being taken on a boat to be sold, et cetera. Pseudo Gorian, I suppose."

"Sounds heavenly," Abigail said, sighing. "But . . ."

"I don't intend to break them," Mike said. "I want them to be clear about the bedroom door. If they want to expand, later, fine. But . . . I don't want the scene to become their life."

"You're pretty smart for a SEAL," Abigail said.

"We're smarter than you think," Mike said. "But . . . I'm a bit unusual even for a team guy, yeah."

"Well, give me the FedEx number and I'll get the birth certificate out today," Abigail said, then sniffed theatrically. "My little girl is growing up and getting her own master. It's so sad."

"Mrs. Tray?" Mike said. "And is it Mrs. Tray or Mistress Tray?"

"Oh, it's Mrs.," Abigail said.

"Mrs. Tray? You are a nut."

"Takes one to know one," Abigail said, laughing. "Be careful with my daughter, please, Mike whoever you are."

"Harmon," Mike said quietly.

"You're not DEA or something, are you?" Abigail asked.

"No," Mike said, chuckling. "I don't do the drug thing. I do the other war."

"Oh. Well, it was good talking to you Mr . . . .Jenkins," Abigail said after a moment's thought. "And, well, if you're ever in Steelville and are interested in training a forty-two-year-old slave, give me a call," she said with a laugh.

"Hmmm . . ." Mike said, smiling. "Do you look anything like your daughter?"

 

[SpyWizard]

professional pervert.. i like that for a tag please..

 

[heatherrae]

Chapter six for the straight sex, and the fun starts in chapter seven.

Seems like a weird combo for a book. Seals and servants. hmmmm