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Barack Obama says, "...typical white person."

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610 WIP host Angelo Cataldi asked Obama about his Tuesday morning speech on race at the National Constitution Center in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice.

Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff"

What if Hillary Clinton referred to someone as a "typical black person"? Would that be ok? Or would there be an uproar? Would she lose supporters?

Is there a double standard here?
 
No double standard. White people are all a little racist. We all owned slaves. Even my family did. And I'm the first one born in America.
 
ceo said:
What if Hillary Clinton referred to someone as a "typical black person"? Would that be ok? Or would there be an uproar? Would she lose supporters?

Is there a double standard here?

Not really. If Hillary was raised by a black man and was speaking in the context that Obama was, about her personal upbringing by this black man, there would not be an uproar.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Not really. If Hillary was raised by a black man and was speaking in the context that Obama was, about her personal upbringing by this black man, there would not be an uproar.


bullshit
 
jnevin said:

I call bullshit too. Hillary could've been raised by a black family in rural Mississippi (like Steve Martin in, "The Jerk" lol), and if she had said in an interview, "...TYPICAL BLACK PERSON." Shit would erupt!!!! Jeramiah Wright would be all over it you know!
 
Longhorn85 said:
You will need to elaborate before I can discect your answer.


All you did was confirm the double standard. There's nothing to disect. But thank you. Your response was what I would have expected. Typical.
 
I should've fabricated some bullshit about Hillary calling Barack a typical black person for making some comments...see what that would've led to here. Damn, too late now though.
 
ceo said:
dude it just came out. :rolleyes:
i know it did
but the whole obama is a racist theme is getting old to me.
fug i can't escape it...it's everywhere, online, at the grocery, at the gym, everyone seems to have an opinion.
this has gotta bode will for the gop
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Double standard. No surprise.
Just like the "N" word. Some can say it with impunity, and some can't.

Nigga What?????!!!
 
I'm convinced that all Obama supporters have their head buried too deep in the sand for them to care about little things like common sense.
 
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75th said:
I'm convinced that all Obama supporters have their head buried too deep in the sand for them to care about little things like common sense.
or some other dark, damp body part... :rolleyes:
 
Obama just said typical white person . He never used anything racial
Now if he said typical cracker or honkey then it would be offensive.

I am a typical male ,I dont get offened that is just what I am .
I am a typical white guy as well Big deal I like bieing a typical white guy
 
chazk said:
Obama just said typical white person . He never used anything racial
Now if he said typical cracker or honkey then it would be offensive.

I am a typical male ,I dont get offened that is just what I am .
I am a typical white guy as well Big deal I like bieing a typical white guy

start going around saying, "typical black person" every time you see one and see how long that lasts.

I bet that would be considered inflammatory by some.
 
Longhorn85 said:
You got nothing
this coming from the political expert here on having "nothing" but still posting it and pwning themselves again and again.... :rolleyes:
 
Below is what Chairman Ann had to say about the double standard as it pertained to Obama's minister and I think she's right. Per the question at had though, I believe Obama can say "typical white person" for the same reason that one can make a movie called "White Men Can't Jump," but not one called "Black Men Can't Swim." Racism towards white people is considered funny, cute, or richly deserved. While any criticism of blacks makes one a member of the Klan.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As an authentic post-racial American, I will not patronize blacks by pretending Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is anything other than a raving racist loon. If a white pastor had said what Rev. Wright said -- not about black people, but literally, the exact same things -- I think we'd notice that he's crazier than Ward Churchill and David Duke's love child. (Indeed, both Churchill and the Rev. Wright referred to the attacks of 9/11 as the chickens coming "home to roost.")

Imagine a white pastor saying: "Racism is the American way. Racism is how this country was founded, and how this country is still run. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority. And believe it more than we believe in God."

Imagine a white pastor calling Condoleezza Rice, "Condoskeezza Rice."

Imagine a white pastor saying: "No, no, no, God damn America -- that's in the Bible for killing innocent people! God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human! God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme!"

We treat blacks like children, constantly talking about their temper tantrums right in front of them with airy phrases about black anger. I will not pat blacks on the head and say, "Isn't that cute?" As a post-racial American, I do not believe "the legacy of slavery" gives black people the right to be permanently ill-mannered.
 
jerseyrugger76 said:
Per the question at had though, I believe Obama can say "typical white person" for the same reason that one can make a movie called "White Men Can't Jump," but not one called "Black Men Can't Swim." Racism towards white people is considered funny, cute, or richly deserved. While any criticism of blacks makes one a member of the Klan.


lmfao @ "Black Men Can't Swim"!!!!!!!! lololololoo

And, you're SO right about what you say here. Black people say things like this and it's funny. White people say it and they're racist.
 
ceo said:
Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know -



You are ignoring the context of your own quote. Obviously he loves his g'ma, but is describing what he sees as the reaction of the typical white person when they pass a black stranger on the street.

He saw it first hand from both sides, as that black person and as the son of the white mother on the street.

You would be silly to deny that many, if not most white folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street, much less a black person. That is simply reality.

Also, what does he mean when he says typical? Politicians often try to capture in a phrase the persona of the typical American. Phrases you often hear are "Joe Six Pack", and names like that.
 
ceo said:
...Black people say things like this and it's funny. White people say it and they're racist.
"unity" vs. "racism" :rolleyes:
 
Would a typical white go to film school so they could become a film maker and produce programs for the White Entertainment Network? And, that person could benefit from the "American Caucasion College Fund" wait we can't have one of those either! That would be racist!!

DOUBLE STANDARD!!!

I am not a racist I love all races but I do feel there is a double standard in America.
 
ceo said:
610 WIP host Angelo Cataldi asked Obama about his Tuesday morning speech on race at the National Constitution Center in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice.

Obama told Cataldi that "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff"

What if Hillary Clinton referred to someone as a "typical black person"? Would that be ok? Or would there be an uproar? Would she lose supporters?

Is there a double standard here?

barack drops in the minnesota polls by 17% over the rev's support..
 
"typical white person...." this is NOT a Presidential reply, coming from a ...person...who is NOT Presidential material. :worried:
 
jerseyrugger76 said:
one can make a movie called "White Men Can't Jump," but not one called "Black Men Can't Swim."

True, but I don't think that type of racism can be applied in this case. Rather, what we see here is the same type of hyper-sensitivity on the part of the thread starter, jnevin, and others, that traditional victims of prejudice are often accused of.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
So what constitutes a "typical white person" in Obama's eyes? :confused:
the commonly accepted sterotypes about whites are that they are scared, nervous, inherently weak, nerdy, and racist
that is a typical white person
 
Longhorn85 said:
He saw it first hand from both sides, as that black person and as the son of the white mother on the street.

You would be silly to deny that many, if not most white folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street, much less a black person. That is simply reality.

Let me take this opportunity to say, um, nigga please. First of all, I spend most of my time in NYC. There are LOTS of strange people in NYC. They come in a variety of colors (many of them white as driven snow) and I encounter them all of the time. Their race doesn't phase me.

I've also lived in extremely rural areas, including Southern Va., which is filled with really scary redneck conservative types. Trust me, in that part of the country, it's the big black soul brothers who looked uncomfortable when they encounterd unfamiliar (white) folks.

I went to grad school in Madison, WI. The creepiest people there weren't black, they were homeless, white, panhandling hippy types.

So, black people aren't a general source of discomfort for me. Representatives from my own race, however, have made me uncomfortable in the past. Why is this? It's because it's not a matter of race; it's about the person's overall demeanor, how they are dressed, how they carry themselves, and whether or not they look threatening.
 
jerseyrugger76 said:
Trust me, in that part of the country, it's the big black soul brothers who looked uncomfortable when they encounter unfamiliar (white) folks.

Sounds like you are agreeing with Obama. People typically tend to be less comfortable when they encounter strangers in an unsecure environment (on the street, e.g.), especially if they are perceived to be very different from themselves.

Like I said, the hypersensitivty factor is out of control here. Everytime Obama refers to a white person in anyway someone on this board starts another thread saying he is a racist.
 
Obamas going down so hard. This is just the beginning. If he gets the nomination, the Republican machine will knock his dick so far in the dirt with what they dig up it will make his ancestors embarrased. McCain has already been through the presidential smear cycle before and has been in public life much longer and we know all about him.
 
Longhorn85 said:
People typically tend to be less comfortable when they encounter strangers in an unsecure environment (on the street, e.g.), especially if they are perceived to be very different from themselves.

Probably due to the fact that said people (usually law abiding) are terrified about defending themselves against a possible attack for fear of being sued by the "victim" (If it's anything like the U.K.).

Criminals have rights galore nowadays!!1
 
Longhorn85 said:
Sounds like you are agreeing with Obama. People typically tend to be less comfortable when they encounter strangers in an unsecure environment (on the street, e.g.), especially if they are perceived to be very different from themselves.

Like I said, the hypersensitivty factor is out of control here. Everytime Obama refers to a white person in anyway someone on this board starts another thread saying he is a racist.

No, Obama's point was that the "typical white" person gets uncomfortable around unfamiliar folks. By implication, blacks would be comfortable just about anywhere!
 
jerseyrugger76 said:
No, Obama's point was that the "typical white" person gets uncomfortable around unfamiliar folks. By implication, blacks would be comfortable just about anywhere!

No, that is not the implication at all, it is your inference, based no doubt on your own inherent biases.

You continue to ignore the context, he was talking about his own grandmother, who is white.
 
Please explain to me how saying "typical white person" is any different from saying "the black community", which clearly assumes there is a typical black person?
 
I don't understand the issue. I heard the speech he made and as a white man - I understood the points he was trying to make. I fully understood what he meant regarding his pastor in relation to his grandmother. Why people try to break this shit down to mean something it doesn't is beyond me. The bigger picture is whether you believe him when he says he doesn't believe the same things his church was teaching him for 20 or so years. I don't know and personally I don't care because I was never planning on voting for him anyway.
 
one of my Grambling/Alcorn alumni co-workers makes it a point to leave her copies of "jet" magazine around the break room...ya'll should read what it has to say about obama's campaign!

talk about racism/"unity in action".........
 
reno240 said:
I don't understand the issue. I heard the speech he made and as a white man - I understood the points he was trying to make. I fully understood what he meant regarding his pastor in relation to his grandmother. Why people try to break this shit down to mean something it doesn't is beyond me.

Hyper-sensitivity
 
chazk said:
Obama just said typical white person . He never used anything racial
Now if he said typical cracker or honkey then it would be offensive.

I am a typical male ,I dont get offened that is just what I am .
I am a typical white guy as well Big deal I like bieing a typical white guy

Exactly
 
Longhorn85 said:
No, that is not the implication at all, it is your inference, based no doubt on your own inherent biases.

You continue to ignore the context, he was talking about his own grandmother, who is white.

No, YOU are ignoring the context. He was giving a speech on race in America. Had he been giving a speech about his grandmother, no one would have shown up and no news organizations would have covered it because now one gives a damn about his grandmother who, according to Obama, is mildly racist.
 
Longhorn85 said:
You would be silly to deny that many, if not most white folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street, much less a black person. That is simply reality.

So you are obviously of the same opinion of Obama in that "WHITE folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street"...especially if that "strange person" were BLACK???

Come on bro. Why is it that way? Why are black people immune from "being wary of encountering a strange person"???

That's bullshit.

As for me, I'm not scared if I encounter any "strange person" regardless of the color of their skin. Now if I encounter a "strange person" who is coming at me pointing a gun or swinging a bat or knife, I will be wary...again, regardless of their skin color.
 
jerseyrugger76 said:
He was giving a speech on race in America.


There you go, that's more like it, stop trying to isolate the term "typical white person" and pretend like it is an offensive term.

There is no glory or value in feigned victimization.

The man was talking about race, talking about his own white grandmother, talking about situations on the street just like you were a few posts ago.
 
Seeing how he's half white how can you be bothered that he'd say "typical white person" yet you wouldn't be bothered at all if he said "typical black person"?
 
ceo said:
Why are black people immune from "being wary of encountering a strange person"???

jerseyrugger76 said:
in that part of the country, it's the big black soul brothers who looked uncomfortable when they encounterd unfamiliar (white) folks.


Read the responses to your own thread.
 
Dial_tone said:
Seeing how he's half white how can you be bothered that he'd say "typical white person" yet you wouldn't be bothered at all if he said "typical black person"?

How does Obama perceive himself to be? typically white or typically black? How does the US population generally perceive him as?
 
Longhorn85 said:
There you go, that's more like it, stop trying to isolate the term "typical white person" and pretend like it is an offensive term.

There is no glory or value in feigned victimization.

The man was talking about race, talking about his own white grandmother, talking about situations on the street just like you were a few posts ago.

So, if Hillary were giving a speech on race in America, and made the statement, "he's a typical black person," that would be ok? You don't think the media would erupt and she'd be labeled a racist?

That, by the way is really the only reason I made this thread. I don't think it's ok for him to say it in the context he did as a candidate for POTUS...just as I think it wouldn't be ok for Hillary or John McCain to say similar.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
How does the US population generally perceive him as?
as a no morals, flip flopping, indesive slum lord mouth piece lawyer wanna-be, sucking up and kissing ass to whomever will get his skinny ass elected?
 
ceo said:
So, if Hillary were giving a speech on race in America, and made the statement, "he's a typical black person," that would be ok? You don't think the media would erupt and she'd be labeled a racist?

I understood your question, and it was a fair one, but as I responded initially, to make a true comparison to Hillary, she would have to be speaking with the context of having been raised by two black men.

If that were the case, I think the media would not jump to negative conclusions if she spoke of typical black behavior.
 
lh, since u r an ardernt conservative GOP supporter why are you defending obama, a liberal democrat? because he is a free man of color? sounds kinda racist/unitist to me....
 
Longhorn85 said:
You are ignoring the context of your own quote. Obviously he loves his g'ma, but is describing what he sees as the reaction of the typical white person when they pass a black stranger on the street.

He saw it first hand from both sides, as that black person and as the son of the white mother on the street.

You would be silly to deny that many, if not most white folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street, much less a black person. That is simply reality.

Also, what does he mean when he says typical? Politicians often try to capture in a phrase the persona of the typical American. Phrases you often hear are "Joe Six Pack", and names like that.
I'm a armed guard (my "real" job). I escort people with money. One of my black female coworkers was constantly warning me to watch out for that one - always gesturing towards a young black male(s). Racism? No. Conditioned responce based upon life's experiences? Yes.
Being wary of strangers isn't racism, it's just common sence IMO.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
How does Obama perceive himself to be? typically white or typically black? How does the US population generally perceive him as?
So, despite the fact that he's half white, people are stereotyping him to be just like any other black person? Thanks for making my point.
 
Dial_tone said:
So, despite the fact that he's half white, people are stereotyping him to be just like any other black person? Thanks for making my point.
i think dude was genuine with his inquiry and he's not american nor does he live here
 
Longhorn85 said:
When did I say that?

bro, come on. I already went over this.

Longhorn85 said:
You would be silly to deny that many, if not most white folks would be wary of encountering a strange person on the street, much less a black person. That is simply reality.

You say here that white people would be wary of encountering a strange person, especially if that person were black. You do not so much as imply that if the race of said people were reversed that it could possibly be true.

I said the same thing just a few posts before your post. Your eyesight going out bro?
 
Dial_tone said:
So, despite the fact that he's half white, people are stereotyping him to be just like any other black person?

Who is stereotyping him as being "like any other black person"? EF posters? US pop.?

Edit: Aye as Bino says, genuine inquiry.
 
ceo said:
You say here that white people would be wary of encountering a strange person, especially if that person were black.

Yup, and I also went on to say, as others have here, that it is typical for anyone to be uncomfortable when encountering a stranger in an insecure environment, especially if that person is different from ourselves. It seems you are only reading selected responses.
 
rnch said:
as a no morals, flip flopping, indesive slum lord mouth piece lawyer wanna-be, sucking up and kissing ass to whomever will get his skinny ass elected?

We arguably have (or had) a similar situation in the UK with former Labour leader / PM Tony "Yo Blair!" and Conservative party leader David Cameron who attempted to appeal to as many people as possible so that come voting time no one could actually pin point what they were for and against as they were attempting to secure as many votes as possible.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Who is stereotyping him as being "like any other black person"? EF posters? US pop.?

Edit: Aye as Bino says, genuine inquiry.
My mistake. In that case the one drop rule is still in effect. Way back after the slaves were freed but before blacks were allowed to vote whites ran into a little problem. The children produced by bi-racial children (who were produced when slave owners snuck into the slave quarters at night to get some black booty) were often mistaken for white and able to vote. The one drop rule stated if you had one drop of negro blood in you then you were considered black and therefore unable to vote.

Even today somebody who was 3/4 white and 1/4 black would be still be considered black by most people.
 
Longhorn85 said:
True, but I don't think that type of racism can be applied in this case. Rather, what we see here is the same type of hyper-sensitivity on the part of the thread starter, jnevin, and others, that traditional victims of prejudice are often accused of.


Hyper sensitive? I was just calling a spade a spade.
 
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Longhorn85 said:
Yup, and I also went on to say, as others have here, that it is typical for anyone to be uncomfortable when encountering a stranger in an insecure environment, especially if that person is different from ourselves. It seems you are only reading selected responses.


Let's get the facts straight. You only mentioned this after Jerseyrugger called you out on it and said that in rural Virginia it was the opposite that seemed to be true to him.

jerseyrugger76 said:
Trust me, in that part of the country, it's the big black soul brothers who looked uncomfortable when they encounter unfamiliar (white) folks.

Longhorn85 said:
Sounds like you are agreeing with Obama. People typically tend to be less comfortable when they encounter strangers in an unsecure environment (on the street, e.g.), especially if they are perceived to be very different from themselves.

Like I said, the hypersensitivty factor is out of control here. Everytime Obama refers to a white person in anyway someone on this board starts another thread saying he is a racist.

Oh, and for the record, I never called him a racist.

And, I think there is so much a double standard here in PC ultra, hypersensitive America, that even if Hillary were raised by two black men, and made a comment in similar context about a "typical black person" she would be labeled insensitive, bigot, racist, etc.

Again, I don't think it is acceptable for someone running for POTUS to say such things. Not if they want to win anyway.
 
I dont think he's a racist (even though it wouldn't surprise me). I just think he is in no way, shape, or form fit to lead this nation.
 
75th said:
I dont think he's a racist (even though it wouldn't surprise me). I just think he is in no way, shape, or form fit to lead this nation.
Racist.
 
75th said:
I dont think he's a racist (even though it wouldn't surprise me). I just think he is in no way, shape, or form fit to lead this nation.

I agree with this too. I sincerely doubt he is a racist. I think he made an honest mistake a couple times with references to his grandmother (typical white person, etc.). I think he should've prepared a bit better and had someone go over his speech for PC-proofing.

I also think he's the worst choice of the current candidates for POTUS, but probably a decent guy IRL.
 
ceo said:
I also think he's the worst choice of the current candidates for POTUS, but probably a decent guy IRL.

So in the US, statements such as "typical white person" or "black community" are acceptable among friends / co-workers, but not for a prospective POTUS to use?
 
Stoßtruppe said:
So in the US, statements such as "typical white person" or "black community" are acceptable among friends / co-workers, but not for a prospective POTUS to use?


Not when your whole campaign is based on unity and change.

And I agree they guy probably isn't racist.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
So in the US, statements such as "typical white person" or "black community" are acceptable among friends / co-workers, but not for a prospective POTUS to use?

I would say not generally, although it would probably depend on one's circle of friends. However, when running for a public office, one can't afford to be so careless with their choice of words. As we see, the media will jump all over that shit, and people do get offended.

I would say that people would get more offended over POTUS or their governor/mayor/senator saying something like this than a friend or business associate, because the elected official is someone in a position of power, and possibly power over them directly. I know I wouldn't want someone running the country to be perceived as a racist (even though I don't think Obama is a racist).
 
jestro said:
typical most of the time has negative connotations.

very true.

Especially when used in context referring to a person or group of people.

I just think he chose his words poorly.
 
jnevin said:
All you did was confirm the double standard. There's nothing to disect. But thank you. Your response was what I would have expected. Typical.

Man you must be sore from reaching for that answer.
:rolleyes:
 
I think the real question should be " Why is there an uproar over Obama`s statement?" It`s his grandmother and he is half white, so isn`t he only speaking from his family background? We all know that the "typical white person" proly has some sort of fear towards black people. Especially in the 40 and over crowd.
 
Tytan said:
I think the real question should be " Why is there an uproar over Obama`s statement?" It`s his grandmother and he is half white, so isn`t he only speaking from his family background? We all know that the "typical white person" proly has some sort of fear towards black people. Especially in the 40 and over crowd.

Strange, you'd think it would be the other way around, since segregation was still around 40 years ago. Black people couldn't sit in the front of the bus, couldn't drink from a white fountain, couldn't use a white toilet, etc. If a black person did do something they "weren't supposed to" they were punished. I think back then there were more black people walking around in fear of whitey (unfortunate that anyone has to walk around in fear of another person regardless of skin color). So now you think older generations of white and black folk have had a role reversal?
 
jnevin said:
No double standard. White people are all a little racist. We all owned slaves. Even my family did. And I'm the first one born in America.
I learned last night on the history channel that the word slave is derived from all the slavik people enslaved in the viking slave trade

slavik people are white you know

blacks are a bunch of bellyachers
 
ceo said:
Strange, you'd think it would be the other way around, since segregation was still around 40 years ago. Black people couldn't sit in the front of the bus, couldn't drink from a white fountain, couldn't use a white toilet, etc. If a black person did do something they "weren't supposed to" they were punished. I think back then there were more black people walking around in fear of whitey (unfortunate that anyone has to walk around in fear of another person regardless of skin color). So now you think older generations of white and black folk have had a role reversal?
It's not a role reversal. White people were afraid of us back then too. Afraid we were going steal from you; integrate your schools; rape your women; move into the house next door.
 
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i wish the whole world was olive colored, would make things so much easier.
 
Dial_tone said:
It's not a role reversal. White people were afraid of back then too. Afraid we were going steal from you; integrate your schools; rape your women; move into the house next door.

true...but I think when it came to fear of physical harm, it was much worse to be black in the 60's, no? Even if some blacks did beat up a whitey, that would be a death sentence for them.
 
Spartacus said:
I learned last night on the history channel that the word slave is derived from all the slavik people enslaved in the viking slave trade

slavik people are white you know

blacks are a bunch of bellyachers

My people were enslaved by the Roman Empire. I want reparations.
 
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Below is what Chairman Ann had to say about the double standard as it pertained to Obama's minister and I think she's right. Per the question at had though, I believe Obama can say "typical white person" for the same reason that one can make a movie called "White Men Can't Jump," but not one called "Black Men Can't Swim." Racism towards white people is considered funny, cute, or richly deserved. While any criticism of blacks makes one a member of the Klan.

exactly.....or white entertainment television, or starz in white. If Mccain said typical black person, he would be gone already.....double standard now is very big here in the US.
 
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