Are orals necessary???

[Jan]

Have you ever think about this before?

Are orals really necessary if you want really good gains?

I think YES, they have its place in cycle. On the other hand, if you take 1250 mg test per week, is not it enough? Are orals like Dbol necessary in this kind of cycle?

What do you think?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I don't think they are necessary. But then I also don't think you need to have an injectable to have decent gains.

I just think it would be silly to not take advantage of everything you can. So why would somebody swear off orals?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I don't feel they are nessasary...I am on a cycle using all injectables right now (Test, Eq, Fina) and am having good results.

 

[therealj]

not as long as you use injectable d-bol and winstrol depot and primobolan depot

 

[Jan]

We all know that orals are the worst for the liver.

So, because of this I am thinking about not using orals.

For example, if I would use 1250 mg test/w, 500 mg EQ/w and maybe 50 mg Winstrol Depot/ED, are here orals necessary?

This question is what I have never seen here before properly answered.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I think that would be a fine cycle. However, whether you take winny orally or you inject it, it's still hard on the liver. So if your concern is to get away from that stress, you might want to rethink the winny.

 

[Jan]

Oops, my fault, I forgot in hurry, my boss is walking around...

Yes, with Winny you are right. Anyway, if I get Winny off and replace with Primobolan 500 mg/w, would it be COMPARABLE to cycle when I would use orals?

This all leads to this question: does the stress for your liver from orals worth the benefits you get from orals (gains, etc...)?

I am very interested what you think, I would like to finally solve this.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, anything I say will just be a wild guess on my part. I don't know of any 'hard' evidence of similar cycles compared one with orals, one without.

However, I would think a test/eq/primo cycle would give similar gains to test/eq/winny. I think this would be a decent cycle.

But ulitmately it comes down to how you feel about it. It's just a question of how much risk do you want to take. And if you think the risks of orals outweigh the benefits, then don't do them.

Now, if you are wanting to mimic the hardness you get from winny, I don't think the primo will do it. Now trenbolone sure as hell will.

 

[Jan]

I am just looking for biggest possible gains.

I am a competing BB in my country and have unlimited access to gear, so I just want to find some final answer if use +1250 mg test + other inject. or less with orals.

 

[TxLonghorn]

have unlimited access to gear

Ok, now you're just making me jealous.

 

[strengthmonster]

No, you do not need them. I know a few competetive bodybuilders that never use orals anymore due to elevated liver enzyme readings. I have actually stopped them my self for a while due to a high alanine transimunase reading and doubt I will ever use them again.

 

[dirty]

yes, cause you can't bang up Clomid

 

[reconnect]

i sometimes use orals only cos im a chiken shit

 

[whodaman]

Of course clomid is a neccessity, but other then clomid, you probably wont get a definative answer on this one....but I don't think they are necessary (although I do use them). You can make solid steady gains on injectables only, but it's a matter of personal preference. Some people swear by Primo/d-bol or test/d-bol and can't get enough of those types of cycles. Personally, I enjoy adding d-bol to jump start some of my cycles.

 

[Andy13]

I don't feel they are nessasary...I am on a cycle using all injectables right now (Test, Eq, Fina) and am having good results.

Agree.

Come on, guys.. Can you really say you wouldn't be as big if you never used dbol?

With TA, eq, test, deca (not necesarily in the same cycle!) You will grow as much as possible for you.

Andy

 

[Horsecock Dbol]

yes

I think they should be included in any cycle because the orals go to work right away as the injectibles take time to build up.

If you think that by not using orals you are sparing your liver you are mistaken! Injectibles are pretty hard on the liver too!

 

[Jan]

Re: yes

I think they should be included in any cycle because the orals go to work right away as the injectibles take time to build up.

If you use propionate or suspension, you feel it working in just a few days.

 

[Andy13]

Re: yes

I think they should be included in any cycle because the orals go to work right away as the injectibles take time to build up.

If you think that by not using orals you are sparing your liver you are mistaken! Injectibles are pretty hard on the liver too!

I've already covered this one.. Do a search for it under my name.. Front end loading with orals IS NOT the same as with injectables.. If you insist on using orals, you should still front end load injectables..

Incedentally, Even if you use enanthate, if loaded, you reach max theraputic value after 24hrs.. How's that for jump starting a cycle?

Andy

 

[serge]

you tell them andy..........

i dont think orals are necessary, if you do test+tren you pretty much covering all your needs. also when you compare the actuall tissue generated from test+dboll to test+tren; they will be very similar....maybe test+tren will even be better. so the bottom line is if you run test+dboll you probably will look bigger while you are bulking but as soon as you start cutting, the water bloat will fall off and so will your size. where as with test+tren you will actually have a good idea what you will look like when you start cutting, since the water retension wont be as profound (assuming you use arimidex ofcoarse)

 

[DREXX]

Orals are fun but far from necessary.

I will be doing simple cycles for a while of Test and Deca and then only throw in dbol when gains slow.

 

[serge]

Drex, the best thing is the gains dont slow down if you keep uping the dose. those 2 drugs work wounders for mass building, except i prefer test+tren for mass. tren is cheaper and more effective in my opinion.

 

[Andy13]

Drex, the best thing is the gains dont slow down if you keep uping the dose. those 2 drugs work wounders for mass building, except i prefer test+tren for mass. tren is cheaper and more effective in my opinion.

In my opinion, I think trenbolone is the best AAS on the planet.

Andy

 

[Madrun]

In my opinion, I think trenbolone is the best AAS on the planet.

Andy

Amen.

As to this topic- Orals are absolutely NOT necessary. Granted, a few of them provide unique benefits, but those benefits are very, very minor. Anadrol increases red blood cell count, but so does eq. And I don't remember the exact information I found on winstrol (I did this research a decade ago) but winstrol, in addition to the normal ways aas stimulate muscle growth, also activates an anabolic pathway that no other aas does. Does that make winstrol necessary? Absolutely not. Like I said, I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember that the benefit was practically insignificant. Especially compared to what you're going to get from 1250mg test per week. If you're not afraid of needles, there's no reason to use orals. Or inject them.

 

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[25homes]

No a must but have their place imo

 

[wootoom]

Def not a must. I always run a oral at the front load of a cycle

 

[John Juan]

Orals aren't necessary. They definitely work well but you can get great gains without them, and your liver will thank you.