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Any Masons here

distanced said:
obviously none of you know anything about the founding and history of the masons. child sacrifices, pagan rituals.

I suggest you do some research on their history.

and no they are not Bible based


LMAO.....
 
distanced said:
obviously none of you know anything about the founding and history of the masons. child sacrifices, pagan rituals.

I suggest you do some research on their history.

and no they are not Bible based

Are you a mason?

How about DeMolay?

You're certainly not a Shiner at your tender age.

You don't know shit from shinola, Freddy.
 
My GrandPa died when I was young, so I never new anything about them. When my GrandMa died about 10 years past , My GrandPa's stuff was passed to me. I saw on tv the other day that the White house was blessed and built by the Masons. Also many of the US Presidents have been Masons.
 
Duane finally decides to leave the Freemasons - read the concluding part 5 of this moving story
Letter of resignation.
I submitted my letter of withdrawal from the lodge, and within a day or two, I began receiving phone calls, mainly from Past Masters who I had always had a great deal of respect for, who were pleading with me to not go through with this decision I had come to. The first one who called made some startling statements. After I had explained to him that my reasons for leaving Freemasonry were because of the Bible and my new found faith in Jesus Christ, he proceeded to tell me three things, basically:

1. You can't necessarily believe everything you read in the Bible;
2. Christianity was a religion invented by the people in power at the time (I presumed this to mean the Roman Empire), as a tool to keep the common people calmed and subdued so they wouldn't become rebellious; and
3. There was no historical evidence that anyone by the name of Jesus Christ ever existed.

A day or two later, another Past Master called me. He spoke for a while about how important my knowledge of the rituals was to the lodge, etc.. We talked for quite some time, and in all honesty, he just about had me turned around. But I mentioned to him what he been said to me by the first Past Master who phoned me, and his response was, "No, Duane, oh no. No, he is so wrong. Of course Jesus Christ existed, and he was a good man."

Of two of the three Past Masters that I had held in such high regard up to that time, one of them knows Jesus Christ only as having been a good man; the other doesn't even know He exists; which means that neither one of them know Him at all.

The Truth will set you free!
I know who He is, and there is no doubt whatsoever that He is alive. He is my Lord and Savior, and He lives in me. I don't know for sure to this day what my status was that one Christmas Eve night, several years earlier, when I experienced the symbolic death, burial and resurrection in a baptismal font inside a church in Yuma, Arizona; and I shudder to think of the intended purpose of the symbolic death, burial and resurrection I experienced in a Masonic lodge room in Las Vegas, Nevada.

But there is one thing I do know. On Friday, January 13, 1984, on my knees, in the dining room of my home, when I cried out to the True and Living God for His forgiveness, He forgave me - unconditionally, no strings attached; and when I asked Jesus Christ to come back into my life, He came. I am not perfect. Only God knows how totally corrupt and sinful I have been. On my best day, any attempt to imitate the example of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and have Him accept me for my good works, is but an offering of filthy rags. But even on my worst day, by His grace and His love, I am forgiven. Amen.

He may on occasion be spoken of by lodge members as being "a good man", "an eminent reformer", " a great human teacher", etc., outside of the lodge room, but He is never spoken of as Mighty God, Lord God Almighty, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord of All, or King of Kings, inside the lodge room, and that's why I don't go there anymore. The prayers are not the only issue - not by a long shot. But for any believer in Jesus Christ it should suffice to say that "forgetting" to pray in His precious name is one thing, but DELIBERATE OMISSION of His name is utter rejection.

I am sorry, Father God, for ever deliberately omitting Your name in prayer. My prayers, Precious Jesus, whether they are my own private supplications, or asking for Your blessings upon a group of people who have gathered together in Your name, will never again be done for the pacification of non-believers, but only in seeking the presence of Your Holy Spirit. I will pray for the souls of those who surely grieve You, but I will not deny Your Supreme Authority Over All in the process. I once again beg Your forgiveness, with this promise to You. It will never happen again. In the name of Jesus Christ, and for His sake; in the name of Lord God Jehovah; in the name of precious Adonay; in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I pray. Amen.

My name is Duane Washum. I am an Ex-Mason For Jesus. This is my testimony.

Being a Christian is not a matter of doing good and being respectable. If this is all that being a Christian means then it is not incompatible with being a Freemason. However, this definition of a Christian is definitely not found in the Bible. A Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ who puts God above all else in his or her life. If there is a conflict between what the Bible teaches and some other authority, the Christian must follow the Bible. Being a Christian is being accepted by God but not deserving it - not trying to earn acceptance from God by doing good.

For some families and charities it may be that the Grand Lodge of Freemasonry is the way in this life, but it can never lead to eternal life because it denies the name of Jesus Christ who said " I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father , except through me" (John 14:6).

Freemasonry is serving the goods of this world instead of God - this will never lead to the 'Grand Lodge Above.'
 
distanced.....no offense. But you know exactly jack-shit about the Masons. What your referring to is speculation about an oath taken when you've reached the 33rd degree.

You've obviously never been to an installation inside an actual Lodge. You look foolish.....
 
Suppose that a group of pagans got together and decided that they wanted to form a men’s club and each man independently decided that he wanted to start every meeting with a prayer to his demon god. They could all agree to this, but they would have a rough time selecting a name which all could embrace. Hindus would want to worship Vishnu, and of course, the men of other pagan religions would want to worship their demon god by the name they commonly use. They could not agree to use the name for the demon god of any one pagan religion without favoring one religion over another. Additionally, if they choose to use an obviously pagan name for the object of worship, they will have a hard time getting even immature Christians to join the club and join in worship with them. (And that is exactly what the demons would want.) If they choose a neutral name, such as the Sovereign Grand Creator of the Universe, and open all of their prayers in his name, all of the pagans can be satisfied. But are they now worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible? No, they are still worshipping demons.

Now consider the situation if a Christian were to walk into a Hindu temple and take part in the worship service, assuming that he was worshipping Jesus, by joining in corporate prayer to Vishnu. Would the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be willing to accept worship in this manner? The answer is found in Paul's first letter to the church at Corinth. Paul wrote:

". . . the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?" 1 Corinthians 10:20-22

Now consider the situation if the Hindus agree to change the name which they use from Vishnu to Sovereign Grand Creator of the Universe. Even if they are able to agree to change the name that they use to identify their demon, elements of pagan worship rituals, such as circumambulation, remain. With a substitute name for the demon, would it then be acceptable for a Christian to participate in the Hindu ceremony of worship? What if the Hindus decide that when a man who calls himself a Christian officiates at the services, they will allow him to close prayers to Vishnu in Jesus' name. Would that make it "Christian?" If over time, the number of men who claimed to be Christians increased and the number of Hindus decreased, until finally there were no more men who professed to be Hindu taking part in the Hindu rituals of worship, would it then be "Christian?"

How is this different from worship in the pagan men’s club? Of course, the men’s club would claim that their club is not a religion. Is the worship of demons through prayer made any less idolatrous by the claim that it is not a religion?

These situations accurately model the worship which takes place in Masonic Lodges today. Freemasonry teaches that there is one God and men of all religions worship that one God using a variety of different names. In a Masonic Lodge, all join in corporate prayer to the Great Architect of the Universe, (GAOTU). Christopher Haffner wrote Workman Unashamed, The Testimony of a Christian Freemason. Haffner correctly espoused Masonic teaching when he wrote:

"Now imagine me standing in lodge with my head bowed in prayer between Brother Mohammed Bokhary and Brother Arjun Melwani. To neither of them is the Great Architect of the Universe perceived as the Holy Trinity. To Brother Bokhary He has been revealed as Allah; to Brother Melwani He is probably perceived as Vishnu. Since I believe that there is only one God, I am confronted with three possibilities:

They are praying to the devil whilst I am praying to God;

They are praying to nothing, as their gods do not exist;

They are praying to the same God as I, yet their understanding of His nature is partly incomplete (as indeed is mine--1 Cor 13:12)

It is without hesitation that I accept the third possibility."

(Workman Unashamed, p39)

It is truly a shame that Haffner did not read and understand chapter 10 of 1st Corinthians. If he had, he would have understood that pagans worship demons, not God. Islam denies that Jesus Christ is the Unique Son of God. Rather, it declares that Jesus was only a prophet. Islamic doctrine declares that Allah, the god of Islam, does not have a son. Since the God of the Bible has a Son and Allah, the God of Islam, does not have a Son, Allah cannot be the God of the Bible. Furthermore, if Haffner had read and understood the book of 2nd John he would have understood that those who reject Jesus Christ and do not follow in His teachings do not have God. John wrote:

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds (2 John 9-11)

With an understanding of this passage, it is possible to know that those who organized the paganism known as Freemasonry were not Christians. They were not continuing in the teaching of the Scriptures. Would Christians substitute the name GAOTU for God and do away with the name of Jesus so that pagans could join with them in prayer without being offended? No, Christians would have shared Jesus with the pagans so that they too might have salvation through faith in Him.

It is true that there is one God. However, all men, specifically pagans, do not worship that one God. The worshippers of Baal learned the truth on Mt. Carmel. Baal is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Judgment was swift on Mt. Carmel. (See 1 Kings 18:20-40.) The god of Freemasonry, the GAOTU, is also not the God of the Bible. Will God judge Masons who do not repent and continue to worship the GAOTU any differently than he judged the worshippers of Baal?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

What will Jesus tell the Mason who claims to be a Christian?

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

By joining in pagan worship ceremonies, WE sinned against God. When we realized that the GAOTU was not the God of the Bible, we claimed the promise found in John's first letter:

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

If you are a Christian who has become ensnared in Freemasonry, we urge you to confess your involvement in Freemasonry as sin and renounce, as we have.

Jesus wants to forgive you, but his forgiveness is dependant on your confession and repentance.
 
Simply consider the facts.
Freemasonry requires its members to believe in the existence of a Supreme Being and also to believe that there is only One God. Freemasonry refers to its god as the Great Architect of the Universe. It teaches that all men, of all the various religions, worship the one God, simply using a variety of different names. It is on that basis that Masons may be Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, or men who profess to follow Jesus. Freemasonry requires a belief in the existence of A Supreme Being, but does not define that being.

The Holy Bible however, reveals that the truth is somewhat different. The Bible does state that there is only one God:

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. (Isaiah 45:5)

However, it states that those who practice pagan religions worship idols and demons, rather than the God of the Bible. Psalms 96:5 reveals that the gods of the many nations which surrounded Israel were idols. Those peoples did not worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Paul warned the Christians at Corinth not to participate in pagan worship. He revealed that pagans worship demons rather than God.

Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. (1 Corinthians 10:19-20)

The Bible clearly reveals in Luke 4:33 that demons are spirits.

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an evil spirit.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, and other modern day pagan religions, worship demons, rather than the God of the Bible. We can know this because anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, rejects God.

Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)

With these facts clearly documented from the Holy Bible, it is easy to know that the foundational teaching of Freemasonry, namely that all men worship God, is not true. Since Freemasonry does not follow in the teachings of Christ, the god of Freemasonry cannot be the God of the Bible.

Since God is a Spirit, a question you might ask of a Worshipful Master, or other Mason, is the following:

Is Vishnu, the god which Hindus worship, the same spirit which you refer to as the Great Architect of the Universe?

It is a simple question. The answer is either "Yes", or "No."

If the Mason answers yes, then you will know that he does not know the difference between the God of the Bible and a demon. He does not know God. How can he be a Christian?

If he says no, then obviously you have demonstrated to him that all men do not worship the same God simply using a variety of different names. When Freemasonry accepts the god of a Hindu as a Supreme Being, it declares that demons are Supreme Beings. How can he be sure that the spirit he worships in lodge as the G.A.O.T.U. is not a demon?

Does Freemasonry lift up Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation as is documented in John 14:6? Clearly, Freemasonry does not follow in the teachings of Christ. Therefore, Freemasons do not have God. (2 John 9)

Freemasonry is a pagan religion. Paul warned that it was not possible for a man to participate in paganism and also be a Christian. He wrote:

You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. (1 Corinthians 10:21)

In John 4:24, Jesus told us:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

If a man has bought into the Masonic lie that all men worship the same god, simply using a variety of different names, then he cannot be worshiping in truth. Therefore, he cannot be worshiping God when he goes into the lodge.
 
ACTUALLY i'VE BEEN TO A FEW LODGES AND SAT THROUGH MANY OF THEIR LAUGHABLE 'MEETINGS'.

THEY ARE GOD HATERS. THEY BELIEVE ANY MONOTHEISTIC BELIEVERS ARE BELIEVING IN THE SMAE GOD, ONLY SPEAK OF HIM THROUGH ANOTHER NAME. THIS INCLUDES SATAN.
 
BloatedCow said:
http://www.californiamasons.org/

I am thinking about it. My GrandPa was one and I have all his pins etc from when he died. What do you think about them?

We are a great organization. I have never regreted joining.

-Necrophagia- You should educate yourself on a topics like this before making stupid statements. It's funny I have never met a mason who packs fudge.
 
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