anti-aging/hrt clinics

[ironwings]

They will look at your hormone panel and determine where you need a little boost. Typically it is Test, HGH, and DHEA. There is no "kind" they are bioidentical so that means they are just like your natural hormones that you produce in your body. Typically they come from animals. Regular hormone replacement therapy is where you get into what "kind" they prescribe. You don't want that. You want the real deal.

Now, they aren't going to prescribe enough test like you would get from doing a cycle! But, you will be amazed at how good you feel.

 

[goin on 4T]

There is no "kind" they are bioidentical so that means they are just like your natural hormones that you produce in your body. Typically they come from animals. Regular hormone replacement therapy is where you get into what "kind" they prescribe. You don't want that. You want the real deal.

This has really peaked my interest! I would like to have a further discussion as to the pros/cons of bioidentical vs. synthetic.
I would like to say I have not done any research on the subjuct so am very ignorant at this point!

 

[ironwings]

I personally do not take either but have been researching them for some time. BHRT is seen to be "safer" because it is a natural substance just like the molecular structure of your existing hormones. It is also prescribed based on raising your current hormone levels to optimal levels and compounded specifically for you. However, because they are a natural substance pharmaceutical companies cannot patent them, therefore can't make any money from them. This contributes to very little research on the effects of BHRT. It is assumed and the little research that has been done shows these as a safer option (not as high a risk of cancer etc.). My take on this is because you are given the exact amount your body can handle - nothing more which you may be getting with HRT. Also, with BHRT you are monitored pretty closely by your physician and bloodwork is taken often and doses adjusted accordingly.

With HRT you can go to your doctor, tell him you have decreased sex drive and you'll probably walk out with Viagra if you are under 45 and if you are over you'll probably walk out with a brand name testosterone that is a one size fits all and viagra. They are not compounded in a pharmacy to meet the specific needs of a patient but rather come pre-compounded and given as a one size fits all solution. There is tons of research on them so you could certainly be well read on the subject and be comfortable with knowing the risks. Just know that you will be given a pill, cream or whatever and never looked on again. I'm sure you have heard men and women talk about "when should I go off HRT?" I can't believe people don't take more control over their own health and get educated on the topic. A doctor should be monitoring there levels and it should be a decision based on facts, not emotions. Geez. We have men and women out there just going off HRT when they feel like it. It isn't a drug to just get you through meno or andropause. It is for vitality.

 

[goin on 4T]

It is also prescribed based on raising your current hormone levels to optimal levels and compounded specifically for you. So is HRT
My take on this is because you are given the exact amount your body can handle - nothing more which you may be getting with HRT. How can they give you the exact amount? The amount they give is based on tests just like HRT. Sounds like you had a good sales person with very little honor.
Also, with BHRT you are monitored pretty closely by your physician and bloodwork is taken often and doses adjusted accordingly. That is why you are monitored because in medicine as in life nothing is perfect!

With HRT you can go to your doctor, tell him you have decreased sex drive and you'll probably walk out with Viagra if you are under 45 and if you are over you'll probably walk out with a brand name testosterone that is a one size fits all and viagra. ??? Not the HRT clinic that I found, nor my new GP that I have locally!They are not compounded in a pharmacy to meet the specific needs Specific needs? I am not trying to insult you personally but that is one hell of a sales pitch! of a patient but rather come pre-compounded and given as a one size fits all solution. There is tons of research on them so you could certainly be well read on the subject and be comfortable with knowing the risks. Just know that you will be given a pill, cream or whatever and never looked on again. Not true, and now you are shadding things.

I'm sure you have heard men and women talk about "when should I go off HRT?" No one I know of has ever asked this as everyone I know understands it's for life and the reason we are on HRT is due to conditions that are not currently mediacally repairable.

I can't believe people don't take more control over their own health and get educated on the topic. Again I don't know anyone like this? A doctor should be monitoring there levels and it should be a decision based on facts, not emotions. Geez. I agree completely and even before anyone does any AAS they should have more than one full blood panel done so they will no what normal is because they will never remember what normal WAS!!! We have men and women out there just going off HRT when they feel like it. It isn't a drug to just get you through meno or andropause. It is for vitality.

Well actually if for medal reasons. Due to our bodies inability to produce what it should be producing.

I have been on HRT for 2 years. Don't take offense to this but I think that you are over grandiosizing (sure I just made that up) the bio-identical treatment vs synthetic testosterone. Not say that one isn't better for you than another, however your statement that it is one size fits all from a pharmacutical company is laughable. Its the Dr's job to prescribe an amount that is required for an individual. And it's the individuals job to ensure he gets regular visits to the Dr. For one thing if the Dr. gives you a script for say 100mg/week of test that is based on his historical knowledge of what elevation the test will be brought up to. That is not a one size fits all dose. Then in 3 months when the compound has been in the body more tests are done to see if more or less is needed. Again that is not one size fits all.
So please, lets keep the discussion to the drug and not about how poor some dr.s practice medicine or how some people don't follow the Dr.'s recomendations.
Yes this you hit a nerve and I hope I did not offend you!

 

[ironwings]

I'm not here to argue. Nor be offended. There is no possible way to be offended over someone's opinion, unless your ego gets in the way. That's what makes the world tick. Mine is based on personal experience in the field, yours is based on using HRT. I think its great to share what your experience is.

Anyone care to comment if using BHRT?

 

[goin on 4T]

I'm not here to argue. Nor be offended. There is no possible way to be offended over someone's opinion, unless your ego gets in the way. That's what makes the world tick. Mine is based on personal experience in the field, yours is based on using HRT. I think its great to share what your experience is.

Anyone care to comment if using BHRT?

That is cool and I respect your opinion as well! I hope I was clear and not derogatory.
You say your exp. is based on personal exp. in the field, do you work for a BHRT?

 

[ironwings]

Let's remember the context of this thread - the guy is 26. He may not feel his best but he certainly isn't hurting for any hormone replacement. A physician outside an anti-aging clinic would laugh him off the premises, unfortunately. He is really looking for a legal script to bring his levels to optimal performance. And perhaps a little HGH to aid in muscle growth, recovery, and anti-aging. He isn't alone.

I am a fitness coach and work with clients, specifically men, on this topic all the time. It is my job to see both sides and know the research that is founded on science.

The great appeal of bioidentical hormones is that they are natural, and our bodies can metabolize them as it was designed to do, minimizing side effects. Synthetic hormones are quite strong and often produce intolerable side effects. As well, bioidentical hormones are compounded to match individual needs — something that’s impossible with mass produced products (synthetic hormones). Watch the pharmacist next time you have your HRT refilled. They won't be mixing a thing.

The con to bioidentical hormones is that there is little research on the matter - it is all theory (this is why clinical doctors won't prescribe them). Synthetic hormones have been proven and the sides are well noted.

 

[heavydutyhit]

They gave me my BHRT protocol as follows:

300mg test per week (150mg Monday @ 6:00pm and 150mg Friday @ 6:00am)

HCG 1000iu per week (500iu Sunday @ 6:00pm and 500iu Thursday @ 6:00am)

3mg Arimidex per week (1mg Monday @ 6:00pm, 1mg Wednesday night @ midnight, and 1mg Friday @ 6:00am)

This type of injection/dosing protocol will prevent "hormonal spikes" and give me a more steady balance of all of my hormones through the week.

 

[jungle4321]

They gave me my BHRT protocol as follows:

300mg test per week (150mg Monday @ 6:00pm and 150mg Friday @ 6:00am)

HCG 1000iu per week (500iu Sunday @ 6:00pm and 500iu Thursday @ 6:00am)

3mg Arimidex per week (1mg Monday @ 6:00pm, 1mg Wednesday night @ midnight, and 1mg Friday @ 6:00am)

This type of injection/dosing protocol will prevent "hormonal spikes" and give me a more steady balance of all of my hormones through the week.

What type of test did they give you? And do you pay yourself or go through insurance?

 

[heavydutyhit]

What type of test did they give you? And do you pay yourself or go through insurance?

Testosterone Enanthate and I pay out of pocket.