Another Tren Cycle - this time with Mast Prop

[mpg1]

Ahoi everyone -

So yeah that time again... time to decide on another cycle... thinking I "might" run 2 instead of only 1 this year round... but, to be honest would be happy with one good one if I get the results I'm after...

Yeah besides the age old story of wanting to put on muscle and lose that fat (pff don't we all want that)... there are some real goals...

So my last cycle (which is posted on the forum) - which unfortunately I never really gave feed back on here as promised... but besides the lack of discipline there, I was really disciplined in my cycle regimen (barring a week away on business)...
The cycle (controversial in some circles) consisted of "low" doses of Deca, and then Tren (supported by test, dbol and win): Truthfully - it really ran bloody well... nothing hectic and pretty simple - and yeah I mixed the two - and was happy with the results.... And before anyone kicks me off here - NO NO, I don't preach, recommend, suggest, or even a fan of mixing them either - but I think if done carefully and conservatively it's all good. PS: I'm also not claiming to be a expert here - because I'm certainly not - learning every day... and that's why I'm back with my new cycle...

So here is the thing - hoping for any suggestions, feedback, recommendations (constructive criticism).... that can help me achieve a great cycle.

Current Stats: Age = 32, 1.67 tall, BMI = 24.8, 66Kg, Body Fat 11%, Muscle 45% (results from last cycle - Muscle % up to 48% and Body Fat down to 8%... Decent holidays after that kinda messed things up a bit... )

And yup have been on a couple of cycles... and yeah I try be conservative and only cycle max 2 times a year. I train 4-5 times a week, do a ton of road running and enjoy a good game of soccer every now and again. My diet is in check (min fats, low carbs, high protein)... but please ignore holidays... which was more like a staple diet of alcohol and carbs... ... no regrets - one needs a break every now and again)

So hoping to increase muscle mass slightly (and hopefully sustain as much of it as possible), intend on working hard to get a more defined harder look, would also like to break the 8% BF barrier (and yeah I know diet is absolutely key here - need to try get it all right).

Cycle Details in short:
Week 1 - 7 Tren e @500mg EW
Week 1- 7 Test e @ 500mg EW + 2 x 100mg shots of prop EW
Week 7- 12 Test prop @ 500mg EW
Week 7- 12 Mast prop @ 500mg EW

Notes:
Yeah have contemplated Tren A vs E... am thinking E this time round
PCT - looking for recommendations - or do I just go with Nolva and Clomid as I did in my previous cycle...

Questions:
Dosages & Durations - cool or not?

So yeah it's all up for discussion... and hoping it will be a good one!

And once again - want to thank everyone who responds in advance... this is a great medium for all of us - and without you - would be nothing!

Cheers!

 

[JoeBlob]

First of all, don't run Nolva with a 19-nor... That's just dumb.
Why Test E only 7 weeks?? That's not nearly long enough... Why not run Test E for 12 weeks, and run the Prop weeks 1-4 as a kickstart to your cycle. Keep the Mast at the back end.
What ancillaries are you planning on running? You need Caber, n2guard, and AI... the list goes on...

 

[mpg1]

Thanks for the response joeblob... *honestly*

So yeah - no Nolva - age old debate that one - and dude (again honestly) I get you - there are better options (but -personally- don't think it's a no-go... there are those who swear that it's ok, and others who reckon it's dumb).... Ok so let's take out the Nolva)... As I said looking for recommendations.

REALLY like your suggestion on the Test E... and believe it or not - that's what was crossing my mind when I asked about Quantity/Duration. When you say keep Mast at the back end - what exactly you suggest - after how many weeks into cycle and for how long?

... Seriously man - thanks again for your input...

 

[RickRock13]

Test E should never be ran less than 10 weeks. It takes half that time just to get to peak levels

 

[mpg1]

Thanks as well RickRock... And - point taken... maybe test E for 12 weeks then?

JoeBlob - sorry man, never replied with regards to ancillaries - 0.5mg Caber : every third day if needed (and agreed probably will)...

 

[JoeBlob]

Thanks for the response joeblob... *honestly*

So yeah - no Nolva - age old debate that one - and dude (again honestly) I get you - there are better options (but -personally- don't think it's a no-go... there are those who swear that it's ok, and others who reckon it's dumb).... Ok so let's take out the Nolva)... As I said looking for recommendations.

REALLY like your suggestion on the Test E... and believe it or not - that's what was crossing my mind when I asked about Quantity/Duration. When you say keep Mast at the back end - what exactly you suggest - after how many weeks into cycle and for how long?

... Seriously man - thanks again for your input...

No problem bro any time... IMO your Mast dosage should be the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle anywhere from 500-700mg/wk... Here's an idea..
(1-12) Test E - dosage up to you I would probably run a TRT dose...
(1-12) Tren E - 500mg/wk
(1-4) Test Prop - 100mg eod... or an oral.
(7-12) Mast Prop - 600mg/wk

Make sure you have Caber, n2guard, an AI, and good PCT without Nolva.
If I were you I would read every single Tren thread ever posted on this forum and make adjustments as you read along.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks as well RickRock... And - point taken... maybe test E for 12 weeks then?

JoeBlob - sorry man, never replied with regards to ancillaries - 0.5mg Caber : every third day if needed (and agreed probably will)...

12 weeks is perfect

 

[muscleaddiction]

No problem bro any time... IMO your Mast dosage should be the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle anywhere from 500-700mg/wk... Here's an idea..
(1-12) Test E - dosage up to you I would probably run a TRT dose...
(1-12) Tren E - 500mg/wk
(1-4) Test Prop - 100mg eod... or an oral.
(7-12) Mast Prop - 600mg/wk

Make sure you have Caber, n2guard, an AI, and good PCT without Nolva.
If I were you I would read every single Tren thread ever posted on this forum and make adjustments as you read along.

^^^ this, long esters like enanthates need longer durations, at least 10-12 weeks, preferably on the longer side, your aces are for shorter cycles, 6-8 weeks or longer if preferred. Looks like a nice cycle that will do you well with everything else dialed in.

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[dylangemelli]

here's a proper pct


clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH TEST INFUSION AND FORGED POST CYCLE AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[mpg1]

Guys thanks again for the input!

@Rick 12 weeks it is then!

@Joe - like the recommendations - so howz bout:
Weeks 1-12 = Test E - 250mg EW... Hmm maybe even 200mg.
Weeks 1-12 = Tren E - 500mg EW
Weeks 1 - 4 = Test Prop - 100mg EOD (going to try stay away from orals... will probably look into orals for 2nd cycle in the year if I do one)
Weeks 7 - 12 = Mast Prop - 600 EW
- Will use clomid for a good PCT and def have Caber handy along with n2guard, an AI (must say haven't been disciplined enough about n2guard, and AI in the past).

PS: Have done a ton of reading/research on Tren as I always try and do before using the stuff.... and I get you best I use the stuff wisely... which I really wanna do - to maximize positive response in terms of reaping its benefits. But man oh man... oh man - so frustrating the loose canons out there on the internet.... have to sift through so much crap to get decent info!

 

[Anabolic chest]

I'd stop the tren-e at 10 weeks and continue the test until week 12. I'd want to make sure all the tren was out of my system for pct

 

[dylangemelli]

why wouldn't you run mast e for 12 weeks instead of only running mast prop for a short period? run mast e at least 500 mg week... i would run it higher than that... i run mast prop at 700 mg week and LOVE IT!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

why wouldn't you run mast e for 12 weeks instead of only running mast prop for a short period? run mast e at least 500 mg week... i would run it higher than that... i run mast prop at 700 mg week and LOVE IT!

Slight hijack but Dylan have you run mast P at 100mg eod before trying 700wk? Just wondering how it feels different, what you notice ect with the higher dose.

 

[mpg1]

@Anabolic chest - interesting suggestion, curious to hear what the others have to say about it... given a good PCT and the dosages of Tren, i was not really concerned about that - but maybe I should be?

This kinda ties into my response @Dylan - the idea here is to use Mast in "combination" with Tren - unlike combining Mast with Dianabol (or Anadrol) - for an additive effect, not a synergistic one. Based on my research (hopefully correctly done), and having chatted to some guys; including Mast allows a lower Tren dosage while achieving very similar or equal "physique" benefit with less potential for Tren-specific side effects of night-sweats, increased tendency to aggression, and/or insomnia - Insomnia being the killer for me (because of different stresses - sometimes battle with sleep unfortunately). Guys NB: I'm in NO way comparing the two - they completely different - and need to be researched independently - however, the one can complement the other... make sense? Hope I'm not coming across as a know-it-all kinda bloke - because I don't - learning everyday!!..

So, yeah, once again, that's why I'm here - to hear everyone out... so yeah @Burnthiscorpse - dude no hijack - glad you ask the question -cause i'm also curious - good question!

PS: What you guys also think bout Test E @ 200mg EW opposed to 250mg?

 

[JoeBlob]

@Anabolic chest - interesting suggestion, curious to hear what the others have to say about it... given a good PCT and the dosages of Tren, i was not really concerned about that - but maybe I should be?

This kinda ties into my response @Dylan - the idea here is to use Mast in "combination" with Tren - unlike combining Mast with Dianabol (or Anadrol) - for an additive effect, not a synergistic one. Based on my research (hopefully correctly done), and having chatted to some guys; including Mast allows a lower Tren dosage while achieving very similar or equal "physique" benefit with less potential for Tren-specific side effects of night-sweats, increased tendency to aggression, and/or insomnia - Insomnia being the killer for me (because of different stresses - sometimes battle with sleep unfortunately). Guys NB: I'm in NO way comparing the two - they completely different - and need to be researched independently - however, the one can complement the other... make sense? Hope I'm not coming across as a know-it-all kinda bloke - because I don't - learning everyday!!..

So, yeah, once again, that's why I'm here - to hear everyone out... so yeah @Burnthiscorpse - dude no hijack - glad you ask the question -cause i'm also curious - good question!

PS: What you guys also think bout Test E @ 200mg EW opposed to 250mg?

Why does that change the fact that Mast E would be better? I've never ran Mast so I'll let them give their input on it but your other esters are all long he's right you should switch to Mast E for 12 weeks.

 

[mpg1]

Completely agree my comments don't in anyway change the fact that Mast E would be better... just letting you guys know my thinking around the inclusion of Mast... Completely all "ears'' in terms of E or P.

Just note my inclusion of Test P - weeks 1 - 4 as well... so not all long esters... but I get your point...

Thanks again guys!

 

[mpg1]

Ok so been doing a ton of reading, thinking, and chatting with mates with experience...

Here are my latest tweaks to what I'm thinking of going ahead with in the next 2 weeks... Better or worse?... I guess I'm just putting it out there.... and hoping for more feedback/ideas...

You will notice I have taken the advice you guys have given...

Weeks 1-10: Test cyp - 375mg weekly (0.75ml 2 x week)
Weeks 1-4: Test prop - 100mg EOD (1ml EDO) -- Kickstart
Weeks 10-12: Test Prop - 100mg EOD (1ml EOD) -- Get Ready for PCT after Cycle with HCG throughout
Weeks 1-9: Mast Enanthate - 500mg weekly (1.25ml 2 x week)
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise - 600mg weekly (2ml 1 x week)
Weeks 4-12: Tren Enanthate - 400mg weekly (2ml 2 x week)

Weeks 3-12: HCG 500iu - (2 x week)
Weeks 1-12: Adex - 0.5mg ED

PCT:
Week 14 (Day 1): Clomid 200mg
Weeks 14-18: 25mg ED

Ancillaries – Daily Vitamin Pack, Caber, and N2G

There you have it...

Thanks again for any feedback guys!!

 

[dylangemelli]

Ok so been doing a ton of reading, thinking, and chatting with mates with experience...

Here are my latest tweaks to what I'm thinking of going ahead with in the next 2 weeks... Better or worse?... I guess I'm just putting it out there.... and hoping for more feedback/ideas...

You will notice I have taken the advice you guys have given...

Weeks 1-10: Test cyp - 375mg weekly (0.75ml 2 x week)
Weeks 1-4: Test prop - 100mg EOD (1ml EDO) -- Kickstart
Weeks 10-12: Test Prop - 100mg EOD (1ml EOD) -- Get Ready for PCT after Cycle with HCG throughout
Weeks 1-9: Mast Enanthate - 500mg weekly (1.25ml 2 x week)
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise - 600mg weekly (2ml 1 x week)
Weeks 4-12: Tren Enanthate - 400mg weekly (2ml 2 x week)

Weeks 3-12: HCG 500iu - (2 x week)
Weeks 1-12: Adex - 0.5mg ED

PCT:
Week 14 (Day 1): Clomid 200mg
Weeks 14-18: 25mg ED

Ancillaries – Daily Vitamin Pack, Caber, and N2G

There you have it...

Thanks again for any feedback guys!!

its still loaded with flaws... your not running eq long enough... it doesn't even start to show until week 9... you need to run it 16 weeks... your need to run mast longer... you don't need to run prop twice... you are running hcg too long...


1-16 test cyp 350 mg week
1-16 mast e 500 mg week
1-16 eq 600 mg week
1-8 tren e 350 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-8 caber .5 mg e3d
1-4 test prop 100 mg eod
7-12 hcgenerate
13-16 hcg 500 ius week
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 anavar 60-80 mg day
13-18 n2guard

pct 19-22

clomid 25/25/25/25 AGguys.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo IF OUT OF STOCK SUBSTITUTE WITH TEST INFUSION AND FORGED POST CYCLE AT MRSUPPS.COM
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

 

[MattJS]

That's a whole ton of gear for someone who weighs 145lbs at 5'5....

 

[dylangemelli]

if he's going to run it, he needs to run it right...

 

[MattJS]

No arguments there bro, my point is the OPs choice of overall dosage, number of compounds and complexity of the cycle seem unnecessary for his stats, to the OP if you're running this Dylan's layout is the best you'll get... I've run a load of gear before and now believe that more is not always better, but everyone's different...

 

[mpg1]

That's a whole ton of gear for someone who weighs 145lbs at 5'5....

Man Matt - I hear you! But, have to agree with Dylan... that's exactly why i'm keen to hear what everyone has to say on here... including you mate!

Yeah you right - I'm not the tallest bloke... and f###k i've lost a ton of weight in the last couple of years... Long story short - achieved awesome gains - weighed 80Kg (176) at one point (once upon a time... long long time ago ), then got really ill (all good now)... I like to think i train hard, and for the most part of the year - my diet is in check (except for when i'm away from home for a break - but even then for the most part I behave... except for the alcohol maybe... )...

So fact is, i've done it before, and i believe I can again... I've tried hard tweaking my diet - but, no real joy there, have tried Deca and Tren independently... both great - and last cycle was Tren & Deca - also good... so looking at this cycle (or the one i listed) - yeah, it looks like a ton - but follow it carefully and it all makes sense... and definitely not crazy!

Having said all of this - just keen to hear what the others have to say I guess...

 

[mpg1]

"More is not always better"... I just wanna make this very clear - I COMPLETELY agree with you... and man I just don't hope I don't come across as this guy who is trying a bit of everything... The idea really did spawn after a ton of research and chats to guys like you and I in the game...

Completely respect your comments bro!... And borderline thinking to myself why complicate things... but given my experience with the different compounds (excluding Mast here)... I'm really keen on something like this... Once again - not only because it "seems" appealing - but because the philosophy behind it seems sound.

 

[MattJS]

The cycle especially the way Dylan laid it out looks fantastic, no doubt anyone with decent training experience would make dramatic progress on it, I fully understand the choice of compounds and the synergy you're looking for, however its an advanced cycle and IMO overkill for your needs, but then its not your first cycle and you have the guys here to keep you right so if you wanna scratch that itch its a good opportunity... I'd just be careful about getting into a habit of running big cycles from early on in your AAS journey...

 

[mpg1]

...its not your first cycle and you have the guys here to keep you right so if you wanna scratch that itch its a good opportunity... I'd just be careful about getting into a habit of running big cycles from early on in your AAS journey...

Hey Matt... I just want to make it abundantly clear that i really appreciate your comments... and take your point... and man I do hope you guys can help where possible - with advice of course - at the end of the day, it's each to their own - one needs to train hard, eat right and live a healthy lifestyle - no one can do that for you...

Have a done a ton of thinking last night on Cycle - and yeah the more i think of it - the more I like Dylan's suggestions... so @Dylan thanks again for advice... and yeah @Matt I'm not even going to try deviate from your point - it is a big cycle (in my books that is - many would say that's not the case - and probably say get used to it)... But, If you have read my boring short bio at the beginning of the thread you will have noted that on more than one occasion I've stressed that I'm pro being conservative when it comes to AAS and focusing on all areas - diet, training, lifestyle that at the end of the day all need to be in check to get the results one is after. And well man I really wanna believe I'll stick to that belief... If I don't and pick up nasty habits - I'm doomed!

And do i want to scratch that itch? Truth be told - yeah I am, but, ONLY because i think the time is right now. I have been through a couple of cycles over a couple of years. I've learnt a ton, and as of late I think I've been very disciplined about how I've proceeded.

Dammit as I type this - I realise I'm trying to convince you that I'm doing the right think as I justify it, in my own conscience... LOL!... Sorry - fact is I'm probably boring the crap out of you!... No but - seriously - would be great to have the support of guys such as yourself out there to assist with sound advice when needed... And would be awesome to keep the comms going throughout the cycle too!

Thanks again guys - will let you know what I decide... committed to making a decision this weekend!

 

[mpg1]

So ok word out... I'm going to go for it - as proposed by Dylan... Have spent most of the weekend, giving all options good thought and consideration, and doing a ton of research (to be honest eyes are tired )... Really like the suggestions provided by everyone and what's is awesome is that most of them are taken care of by what I intend on doing. Given my past cycles and where I wanna go - I think I'm on the right track.... So yeah, I really am looking forward to this.

Now time to get my act together... Been awesome couple of weeks back at the gym after the holidays, rough in the beginning because of the flu - but all sorted now... and loving my training... Diet is also back in check... So I think I'll be ready to start the cycle as soon as I've sourced all the stuff properly.

Will probably create a new thread when I start - and keep a log - and see if there is any interest in it... Would be great to help anyone out there considering the same... And for me to receive advice while I'm at it - hopefully all will go smooth though!

So once again thanks everyone for your input here!

Cheers!