Another front loading question....

[Andy13]

He will have a harder time coming back from eq after ten weeks, but not like deca. The eq is not that very androgenic. But that's not his only problem. I would expect him to have a 4-5 week period after Tren/eq where no amount of clomid is going to help. Eq is present much longer as you know but Tren is the king when it comes to shutting you down so together you're looking at a month possibly before the clomid will have a chance. I tell people either get tested with an endoscreen after you are off two weeks and then run clomid two weeks and see how well you did or just keep taking it for a longer period. Which is a poor second choice but some guys won't spend the $65 to get their LH tested.

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But the tren is out of the body so fast..... If you did 100mgED, you could begin clomid therapy 4-5 days after your last shot... That's not the case with EQ.. I agree that Tren shuts down the HTPA moreso than EQ.. But HTPA supression is HTPA suppression with the doses were talking about here..

 

[Willyumyum]

Will, your cycle is very similar to the one I have planned oct 1st. Here is what I plan.

week 1-2 1200mg eq(6x inj 200week)
week 1-2 1200mg enth(6x inj 200mg week)
week 3-8 600mg eq (3x inj 200mg week)
week 3-8 600mg enth (3x inj 200mg week)
week 3-10 fina 75mg/ed
week 3-10 winny 50mg/ed

Sweet bro, What are you doing in regards of what andy and ulter are talking about? when are you starting clomid, what precautions are you taking, etc..?
I have enough Zambons to run it for eight weeks... i havnt purchased my fina, EQ or test yet.... do you think i should run it for 7 weeks like you? This will be my first time with EQ, fina and enth......
Thanks
YUM

 

[Rickson]

I will throw my .02 in on this. Assuming you are not going to get an endo screen (you should but probably won't) then my personal rule of thumb is to run just test two weeks longer than anything else. I then start clomid 2 to 3 weeks after the test run the clomid for 4 weeks. This does not guarantee that you gave your body enough time to get those long acting drugs (EQ, Deca) a chance to completely get out of your system but has worked well for me. Of course you can switch to prop at the end and have it out of your system quicker than the enanthate but that is up to you.

 

[Ulter]

Andy I know tren clears very quickly compared to eq, but I don't know that that is the only factor to consider. As you hang here listening to hundreds of guys complaining that they are crashing harder when they used tren you will see a pattern. Those that use tren along with eq, and most do, have a harder time recovering than those who use eq with test. I don't know why for sure, I only know that tren is 3 times as anabolic and twice as androgenic as test, so maybe it's just that the harder you get kicked in the testicals the longer it takes to recover.

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[Zyglamail]

Sweet bro, What are you doing in regards of what andy and ulter are talking about? when are you starting clomid, what precautions are you taking, etc..?

By current thinking, clomid should be started approx 17-21 days after last inj. Its going to be basically a 10 week cycle, 8 of EQ/enth and 8 of fina/winny, with a two week offset. The enth/eq should be at low enough levels to start clomid about the same time the fina levels drop enough. In other words 3 days after last fina shot is the same dat as 17 days after the last EQ shot. I will hit clomid hard at 300mg day 1, 100mg for 10 more followed by 50mg for 10 more after that. I have about 10x .2mg arimidex tabs and 30mg of liquidex which I plan on running during the test/eq portion at 1/2mg day.

I ran some numbers on having the eq/enth run three weeks before kicking in the winny/fina, but the eq/enth levels drop so slow that it only made about a 5mg difference in blood levels where the fina line crossed the eq line posts cycle so I think I am just going to stick with the two weak head start with the eq/enth and continue the fina/winny 2 weeks after.

 

[Willyumyum]

You don't think I have anything to worry about though , do you Ulter? I mean I don't mind having the production shut down for a while, it comes with the territory and I accept it..
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[Zyglamail]

Those that use tren along with eq, and most do, have a harder time recovering than those who use eq with test.

I hit clomid hard after last fina/winny only run. I did crash hard and couldnt get it up with a crane for about a week, but everything rebounded nicely and I kept most if not all of my gains.

 

[Willyumyum]

By current thinking, clomid should be started approx 17-21 days after last inj. Its going to be basically a 10 week cycle, 8 of EQ/enth and 8 of fina/winny, with a two week offset. The enth/eq should be at low enough levels to start clomid about the same time the fina levels drop enough. In other words 3 days after last fina shot is the same dat as 17 days after the last EQ shot. I will hit clomid hard at 300mg day 1, 100mg for 10 more followed by 50mg for 10 more after that. I have about 10x .2mg arimidex tabs and 30mg of liquidex which I plan on running during the test/eq portion at 1/2mg day.

I ran some numbers on having the eq/enth run three weeks before kicking in the winny/fina, but the eq/enth levels drop so slow that it only made about a 5mg difference in blood levels where the fina line crossed the eq line posts cycle so I think I am just going to stick with the two weak head start with the eq/enth and continue the fina/winny 2 weeks after.

That's interesting..and defenitely sounds good... I might have to try it that way... thanks for the replies bro..
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[Willyumyum]

I hit clomid hard after last fina/winny only run. I did crash hard and couldnt get it up with a crane for about a week, but everything rebounded nicely and I kept most if not all of my gains.

That's also good to know, I'm more interested in keeping my gains... Crashing may suck, but it's a temporary state of suck that is worth it for what is yielded from all the hard work and tons of injections..
YUM

 

[Ulter]

Yum, I think you are getting good advice ZYG. Wait 21 days and you should be fine. I want to correct one statement however. "The enth/eq should be at low enough levels to start clomid"
If there are any androgens still present when you start clomid even at 300mg it will be useless. That is probably why ZYG still had a brief crash even using clomid. I realize "low enough" is relative but it has to be nearly 10mg to be low enough.

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