Another anavar, first cycle, newbie thread

[ho_steppa]

Seriously, what is a feroid?

I googled it and nothing. Well, at least I'm not the only one that doesn't know. I think he is making a spin on the word steroid, thus making jokes out of my cycle, and for that he shall die!!! and his daughters whored!!!

Either way, be it negative or just plain bad, I appreciate his comments, as I always do yours rage.

Seems like your t levels are still on the low side, but at least they are up from 170, and you are feeling 100%, right? How long do you think you'll wait till you start your helladrol cycle?

I saw that dude's beast/katanadrol thread before. I think I've seem most of the threads that have anything to do with helladrol or beastrol actually! That's what I'm here for, too man, to learn more...

 

[steelmass]

Whats a feroid?

It's his first cycle. Why would he need to go that hard on any substance? Adding beast is honestly a big step in itself. I watched both buddies on hella right now experience some great lean gains and pumps in on hella, with pretty much no sides. Adding beast, ummmm you prob will get a few, so why go crazy? Especially not having any experience before? Yea good call.

It's your opinion, but it looks like all you wanna do is bash me and this guys idea for his next cycle, what the reason for the post?

I think it's evident I'm speaking from the heart with everything I'm saying, if I'm wrong on any of it it's not because I'm trying to fuck someone up. And hence the reason I'm on a forum, to learn more. You show me some posts/ studies that are more then jus a bash session supporting what you say and, well I'll prob counter it but at least the guy needing the info will be able to choose what he needs to do for himself.

Honestly, it's not a bad way to start out if you don't mind the elevated liver enzymes. Accelerate building your base before you take the plunge. The only problem is that it in and of itself is the plunge, even worse. It will inhibit you, elevate enzymes, bad cholesterol etc. all for less gains so my reasoning is you might as well do the real thing. Btw feroid = fake or feaux + another word - referring to designer orals.

I guess my whole point was you're much better off with say 500mg test when it comes to your general health, wallet, and results. Also, PCT wise go nolvadex from a peptides supplier. You could go clomid, but it invokes female emotions in many. The only downside to nolva is lowering igf-1 so I throw that in as well.

Bottom line: 500mg Test for 10, nolva 20mged, and igf-1 50mcged for 3-4 will yield less sides for far greater gain at a better price. I apologize for the previous tone but I thought it was common knowledge. Most boards don't promote oral only and tell you to gtfo immediately if you suggest it.

 

[rage22]

You are correct in that. Most boards will also rip you a new ass if your new lol. Its a little rediculous. I get that people need to read and learn more before they post, but each case is sincerely different and needs to be customized to the individual. In other words there is no set way or cycle for everyone.

And yea alot will tell ya you need a test base for any cycle. But these days there are sooo many guys running successful oral only cycles. And test dose not always need to be injected- Check this out... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...lic-steroids-oral-steroids-cycles-644727.html

Although, I had a buddy run it and said its not worth it. Im still recommending that you start with a helladrol only cycle and move from there. Jus because its you first go around. You want it to be good not too much for you to handle, you no?

As for pct... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...rate-if-you-take-nolva-clomid-pct-682879.html

It is very hard for me to find a reasonable arguement against NOT taking nolva/clomid (double negative ) I mean after reading this your gonna never want to touch it again.

 

[rage22]

And I plan on waiting a few more weeks to start up a helladrol cycle. Might be 3-4 because I want to get things straight with my test (need to retake it earlier). If im still surpressed in the 200-300s I feel that it may be unwise of me to start a cycle, you know? As I know I should be higher then 500 based on age. If low even early ill be waiting and studying to get back. Cant go back on without recoverying (which ive already fucked up once).

Plus im watching my buddies whom are a little less careful shall we say, do this cycle and come off. I want to make absolutly sure its going to be good. Not that I have doubts tht it wont be great and an easy recovery. Ive seen the results and the effects of it, they are awesome! (and im sure someone will pep up and say, not compared to whatever but thats not my point) lean hard gains in weight and strength. All good so far. But the real challange is coming back to normal. So im waiting for that specifically because thats when I ran into issues with my last cycle.

 

[ho_steppa]

Those are good links, I read them a few weeks ago, and it's always good to reread threads that justify and shed more light on the type of cycle I am trying to run. =)

Need2slin...

I know that you can take it 3 times a day spread throughout but the feeling I had when I did that sucked lol. So I don't do it that way. Try it and see what happens, but make sure you eating right after-30min you take it to avoid that " hypoglycemic feeling". The effects from it, in my opinion are for sure awesome. You will notice increased hunger for sure. I did, my buddies did and countless others. I gained weight when I added it to me regimen within the first week. And just thought for sure I looked jacked. Much more then usual that's for sure.

I started back in the gym today after a week off, back feels much better and I'm glad I did rest a week as opposed to continue working out uncomfortably with back pain, which would prolly lead to another injury. Here's how I did the slin:

8:00am - wake and take 1 n2slin with water
8:30am - syntha & oats shake
9:30am - chest/tri with about 15 grams bcaa
11:30am - take 2 n2slin with water
12:00 - protein shake w/ creatine, banana, rice, veggies, chicken, tilapia
3:30pm - chicken, ham sandwich
8:30pm - tilapia, 3 eggs (not yet eaten)
10:30pm - cottage cheese, almond butter (not yet eaten)

This is a typical diet I 've been doing since Feb while losing weight. It is a little less than 2000 calories and the macros are at about 50/20/30. It's about 5:30pm and I don't feel any increase in hunger (which is good since I'm trying to eat less!) The only other sups I'm taking are a multi, fishoil, and uniliver tabs.

I'm gonna follow this to the T for another estimated 2-3 weeks while waiting for the goods to arrive.