Another anavar, first cycle, newbie thread

[ho_steppa]

[FONT=&quot]Thanks for the info, I’ve become very interested in these drol products these past few days, (doing my research and all) I’ve been reconsidering my options and given what products are readily available to me at the moment, I think I’m going to switch to a helladrol cycle. 2 main reasons for this: 1 being the price, and 2 being able to guarantee the authenticity of the drug. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I saw needto posted this as a proposed cycle for someone:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1-6 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Helladrol[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 100mg every day spread out. [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]4-10 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]need2slin[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals. [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]1-6 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]n2guard[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 5 caps a day [/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]6-12 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]bridge[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 2 caps 3 times a day[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]6-18 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]forma-stanzol[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm, Last 2 weeks drop it to 3 am and 3 pm[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]I am planning on running a similar cycle, and throw in forged liver support and Hcgenerate while on the cycle and taking out the Bridge. But I will have to wait and see on that if I can even order the hcgenerate and/or bridge before it sells out. (still 2-3 weeks was what a customer service rep told me from the website 2 days ago)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Is e-control necessary? It is an AI, right? But I thought helladrol doesn’t convert to estrogen (did I get that right? Lol, still getting used to this new lingo!)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I hope the same friend that advised you on the var cycle isn’t the same friend giving you advice on the helladrol cycle! lol[/FONT]

 

[rage22]

no no... lol not the same friend. The friend that gave that advice to me was NEEDTO in a PM about 3 weeks ago.

From everything I know... no Hella wont convert to estrogen, why the E-control? Don't actually know that one, just that Needto said so and if he says so its pretty much the way it should be.

Running at 100mg ed like he was advising another guy (I havent seen it but I believe it) would make sense but I couldnt tell you if that other guy was someone who had run a few cycles before, things like that that could have been specific to that person whom he replied to. You get me? lol

I know that for sure he sent that to me with my buddy who is 26yr old, 240lbs, and it was his first cycle. My personal opionion would be to start at 75mg, 75mg, 75mg (see how you feel), 100mg, 100mg, 100mg. If you can handle six weeks on of it. Everyone will respond differently and like I said before, the guy who is 240lb says he dosnt really notice much yet after 2.5 weeks (guy also took clen @ I believe 80mcg ed ~whatever it was it was a little more then the recommended~ and it did nothing for him), where as the my other buddy that is 200lb and is jacked took half the clen and was shakeing (go figure), he also notes a deff. effect after 1 week of helladrol. In short, better safe then sorry if you cant handle the side you could get from it (not that you should encounter too many really)

Bridge (needto could of just said that instead of hcgen because a double dose should give you the same amount of fodogia, maybe hcgen was outa stock, like always.. lol) I agree with you and I would wait for the hcgenerate. Run that throughout your cycle and come off at pct when you transfer to post cycle/ unleashed and/or Formastanzol. Then once your pct is over run bridge for a little while until your next cycle.
Personal opionion, get the post cycle and unleashed and run them with the forma for pct. Again, better safe then sorry.

Need2Slin... This stuff is freaking awesome and I think that while you wait for hcgenerate and all the other goodies to come in you should try this stand alone. I Swear I used it for a week and started to pick up weight and actually saw a difference in the mirror. It could also have been an assemblance of things but it was when I added this to my supp stack that I saw the greatest difference. But also be careful, I have found a few cases on the net and actually experianced it myself last week. If you dont eat enough carbs while taking this it Could and I say might put you in a mild hypoglycimic state. I still am waiting for feedback from needto on this though so dont take that as a for sure thing. All I know is when I take it on a full stomach 2 before and 2 after WO I'm fine and have no issue. If I take in the morning with a smaller breakfast its like I didnt eat or something. I feel like Im starving and get the shakes, cold sweats, etc. You know the feeling when you don't eat for a long time. Its like your energy just takes a dive all the sudden and bam.. you gotta eat! to make it better. Takes about 20-30min to feel better. And I have found a few threads here and there of guys talking about the same thing happening to them. You can also stay on N2S from now till the end of your cycle of even through the end of it. At least this is the word.

And for good measure you could add gear into the mix. If you decide to run N2S and/or gear, I'd do it now prior to startign so your know what feelings are what and how these things are effecting you.

Needtos product are some powerful things! And if you are really feeling like you wanna "feel" one of his product grab some n2kts. I just got mine about a week ago for the first time. HOLY SHIT! is all I can say. Taste is rediculous in a good way and you just feel amped up. Truly its somthing that you have to try for yourself to understand.

I know it sounds like I'm pushing this guys products and what not, and I am, but if you go back and read some of my post (you actually already did lol) youll see I came here only a short while ago and had no Idea about this guy. He actually helped me out in ways I cant even explain man, I was at a loss when I found this site. Basically straight fucked up. And after coming back using his advice and his product... well I owe it to him I feel to at least let people know what they did for me. And helping people out, thats just something I like to do in my free time lol because its of interest you know.

 

[ho_steppa]

Supplementation, dieting, training, (life in general!)...SO many different factors come into play, it's really hard to pinpoint one exact thing that will be the answer to all. Like your two friends, of course they are going to react differently, but I guess it's up to how they adjust and edit their plans to optimize results in the end. It does kind of become guesswork, doesn't it? I suppose that's why we research and do as much as we can to eliminate any 'unknowns' and just hope it becomes easier and clearer with time and experience.

But, I will definately have an On cycle and Post cycle game plan set up, with everything in hand before I start, and just make adjustments according to how I respond. I just ordered a few products from NTBM, the need2slin, Forged liver, and n2guard. And then I'll pick up Hcgenerate, Unleased/Post Cycle in a few weeks. Helladrol and Fromastanzol should be on its way, so hopefully I can start my cycle by may. By then I hope to be around 170. Currently 180, dropped about 20 pounds since february with only a slight decrease in strength. So I'm hoping this cycle will harden the muscle a bit, and help me increase strength and get a little more defined, without adding too many pounds (that's all!).

thank for the info on need2slin, been curious about what exactly this product does, everything else I seem to be ok in my understanding, except for the slin...

And is n2kts really that good? or that different from other pre workouts? I've tried soooo many preworkouts, and No explode (which is also the first one i ever tried) is the only one that really made me feel something and gave me a noticable 'pump'. Hence it is what I keep returning to after dissapointment from others (white flood, animal pump, jack3d, quake, levrone formula, there are others I don't remember...) I know everyone is different and these formulas effect people differently and all, so there's that. EC gives me a good pump, too. I sometimes take that preworkout...i just might have to order a sample pack of the n2kts. Is it ok to take preworkouts while on cycle? I'm not taking anything right now, I just got off the EC stack a few weeks ago, and wasn't planning on taking a preworkout while taking helladrol.

 

[rage22]

I dont believe that there is anything wrong with taking a preworkout on cycle. I know alot of guys will stay away from them though while on and save it for pct and being off. Simply because while on you feel amped and ready to rock like all the time. So its kinda not needed. Ur pumps are extreme to, lol much more then on a pre wo or any supp type thing.

N2kts is pretty damn good. I had one of the best workouts in a lonnng time after using it last week. I thought it was intense, so did my 240lb friend. You just wanna keep lifting even though you know you should be done. The tingle in my head and ears was the coolest part. I took 2 scoops and I think I could do better taking one, was a little much for me. Id get the sample pack, drink, the whole thing and see how you like it. Green apple is an awesome taste! 2 scoops is sweet, anymore and I think itd be too sweet tho.

 

[ho_steppa]

Update:
So, I tweaked my back about a month ago, and been taking it super easy on squats (smith only) and not doing any deadlifts whatsoever (back day has been feeling so empty these past few weeks!). Well my back has been gradually feeling better and yup, you know it, squatting on the smith machine this past Sunday, finishing a superset from 225 to 185 and on my 18th rep, POP! I was in so much pain, but I couldn't just call it a day. I tighten up the Inzer belt and finish with leg extensions, leg curls, and seated calf raises. Spend a good 30 minutes in the hot tub stretching my back out. Doc gave me some vicodin so I been enjoying (read abusing =) that the past few days and staying away from the gym. Unfortunately, my diet has been suffering, too since I find it harder to eat right when I'm not training hard.

Either way, this latest injury REALLY worried me and I'm just thankful that the injury isn't as bad as I thought and that this didn't happen during cycle. And now I am going to listen to my body and doctor and really take it easy while I wait for the Hcgenerate, Post cycle/Unleashed, Helladrol, Forma, and Beast to arrive. That's right, I decided to try both and the cycle will look something like this:

1-4 Beastrol 20/30/30/30
3-6 Helladrol 75/100/100/100
1-6 n2guard
1-6 forged liver
1-6 Hcgenerate
4-10 need2slin (I might run this on cycle and as part of PCT)

Post
6-12 Formastanzol
6-12 Unleashed
6-12 Post Cycle


Here's needto's quote from the helladrol cycle I quoted a few posts back:

Look bro I could care less about the money. Your a broke collage kid ok then fine I will give you all the products you need for your next cycle and your pct too. Except the helladrol that you said you can afford on your own.

How about this.

weeks
1-6 Helladrol 100mg every day spread out.
4-10 need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day 30 mins before meals.
1-6 n2guard 5 caps a day
6-12 bridge 2 caps 3 times a day
6-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm, Last 2 weeks drop it to 3 am and 3 pm


I will give you everything you need to run this cycle.Then you make a log and log the cycle and the pct. You contact me each week and send me a pm with a link to the log. You do exactly as I say to going into pct..

Then if that cycle and pct is nor the bomb for you then you can go back to bitching .. How about that?

Running at 100mg ed like he was advising another guy (I havent seen it but I believe it) would make sense but I couldnt tell you if that other guy was someone who had run a few cycles before, things like that that could have been specific to that person whom he replied to. You get me? lol

I reread the thread and the op has done a couple of cycles in the past. well I can't post the link since I have less than 25 posts, but I wonder if you found it on your own. It's a pretty funny read!

Need2Slin... This stuff is freaking awesome and I think that while you wait for hcgenerate and all the other goodies to come in you should try this stand alone. I Swear I used it for a week and started to pick up weight and actually saw a difference in the mirror. It could also have been an assemblance of things but it was when I added this to my supp stack that I saw the greatest difference. But also be careful, I have found a few cases on the net and actually experianced it myself last week. If you dont eat enough carbs while taking this it Could and I say might put you in a mild hypoglycimic state. I still am waiting for feedback from needto on this though so dont take that as a for sure thing. All I know is when I take it on a full stomach 2 before and 2 after WO I'm fine and have no issue. If I take in the morning with a smaller breakfast its like I didnt eat or something. I feel like Im starving and get the shakes, cold sweats, etc. You know the feeling when you don't eat for a long time. Its like your energy just takes a dive all the sudden and bam.. you gotta eat! to make it better. Takes about 20-30min to feel better. And I have found a few threads here and there of guys talking about the same thing happening to them. You can also stay on N2S from now till the end of your cycle of even through the end of it. At least this is the word.

I just got the Need2slin, Forged Liver and n2guard today. I am thinking about trying the slin on your recommendation once I ease my way back into the gym in a few days. It's that good, huh? I train in the morning though, usually after I wake I have a quick oatmeal/protein shake and an hour later I'm in the gym. Should I take it with the preworkout shake? and then again with my post workout meal?

so yea, that's what I'm looking forward to now after doing much more research about these drol products. I will probably start a new thread soon since this has veered far away from being an anavar thread, and keep a log of this cycle. How is your cycle looking, rage? Still waiting for HCgenerate I assume (along with half the board I bet)

 

[rage22]

Yea I'm still waiting for my hcgenerate to arrive... Bought enough to last me a little while this time

Your proposed cycle seems intense! Can't wait to see how it turns out. I'd look in to e-control though.

I sent you a Pm after my endo appointment the other day, not sure if you got it though. I feel 100% these days but as you'll soon be able to see (havnt posted results yet) i'm still in low t range. I'm thinking it could quite possibly be a fluke as I went later in day 10:30am. Not to sure on whether that has a huge effect on total and free test levels but I know it has some effect. I'm going again early! next week.

I'm sitting at a 287 total t level and a low Free t level as well. What I had run was a recovery stack (after coming off w no pct in September of 2010) of TRS - sustain alpha, endoamp max, toco8-, hcgenerate at recommend dose, fish oils and multivits. I did this pct starting in March. So I was surpressed for a good while around 170. This was supposed to bring me back. I ran it for about 5 weeks then waited a week and then got my blood tested. Now I'm here explaining lol.

I can tell you I feel tremendous, no anx/ depression. Feel like I'm making weight gains on scale and in gym. So I know that the stuff had to do something. It definitely helped and in the beginning of use it seriously felt like someone had kicked me in the balls for the first week or so. This was "normal" as it's a sign of your balls literally coming back. I tell you all this so that you know what to expect from it.

I don't know my starting t levels which was a big mistake on my part and I recommend that you go and get a base line reading so you know where you are "normally". Then you have an idea on what to try to get to after cycle if you run into problems. I doubt it with the right pct in place though. Highly doubt you'll have any trouble.

 

[rage22]

Need2slin...

I take 2 30 min before gym and 2 as I'm walking out the door. I also eat right before the gym and right after I walk out. So it's always followed by a meal.

I know that you can take it 3 times a day spread throughout but the feeling I had when I did that sucked lol. So I don't do it that way. Try it and see what happens, but make sure you eating right after-30min you take it to avoid that " hypoglycemic feeling". The effects from it, in my opinion are for sure awesome. You will notice increased hunger for sure. I did, my buddies did and countless others. I gained weight when I added it to me regimen within the first week. And just thought for sure I looked jacked. Much more then usual that's for sure.

I feel you'll be very happy with this sup. I have even considered running straight supps from need to and doing away w roids. But what fun is that? Lol They are literally the only supps I can "feel" working. Everything else is really jus crap in comparison.

You can take it with your pre workout. I do and am fine. Biggest thing is eat afterwards.

Don't know if you got it but n2kts.. Wooooow it's great if you get a chance to try it deff do so. Fun in gym is all I can say.

 

[steelmass]

your proposed cycle sounds intense

Hah!!! What a joke.

1-4 Beastrol 20/30/30/30
3-6 Helladrol 75/100/100/100

Bro, that's week 1 20 mg of oral feroid. Week 2 is 30mg. Oh wowzer, by week 4 I have 130mg of methylated feroid in my veins.

I got some intense ish for you broseph, it's brand new maybe you've heard of it - Jack3d. It'll be radical, gnarly, and tubular.

FYI your PCT is even worse. Nolva/Clom/HCG/Arimi/Aroma - all far, far superior.

Lol They are literally the only supps I can "feel" working. Everything else is really jus crap in comparison.

If you can't feel skin splitting pumps from creatine/arginine/taurine then you need reevaluate more than just your cycle.

 

[rage22]

Whats a feroid?

It's his first cycle. Why would he need to go that hard on any substance? Adding beast is honestly a big step in itself. I watched both buddies on hella right now experience some great lean gains and pumps in on hella, with pretty much no sides. Adding beast, ummmm you prob will get a few, so why go crazy? Especially not having any experience before? Yea good call.

It's your opinion, but it looks like all you wanna do is bash me and this guys idea for his next cycle, what the reason for the post?

I think it's evident I'm speaking from the heart with everything I'm saying, if I'm wrong on any of it it's not because I'm trying to fuck someone up. And hence the reason I'm on a forum, to learn more. You show me some posts/ studies that are more then jus a bash session supporting what you say and, well I'll prob counter it but at least the guy needing the info will be able to choose what he needs to do for himself.

 

[rage22]

Check out this http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/first-cycle-beastdrol-katanadrol-log-740211.html for a comparison for running beast. Not quite the same but it will help.