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[caligirl85]

Thanks. I know it's not a fat burner but preserves what muscle you have built while cutting. Making it beneficial for a cut so you don't lose (even partially) what you spent all that time building. Short cycle 6-8 weeks? I have seen some women comment on not using var for bulking becasue there are better options for a bulk cycle than var. As to what those are I am curious which was part of my original post. I do like the idea of running it first since it is milder and have no experience with AAS first hand. So maybe do a 6-8 week cycle during bulking season and run it again for my cut?

You could totally run it at a low dose to end out your cut and would still see some results, I'm sure. 6-8 weeks would be a good starting place. Negative sides don't always show up until about the 6 week mark.

It's really all individual in terms of what your tolerance for sides is and what your goals are. I have great success with var for bulking and have seen good gains at 10 mgs/ day at about a 10-12 week cycle. I, personally, have low tolerance for sides and through some stupid trial and error have some permanent ones, so I always put it out there, that I'm the conservative user of the board! lol If you start out with the one that is the lowest risk and start the dose low, you can see how you respond, test the sides and build up from there.

As a newbie, I'd start with var. When deciding what else to venture on with, you'll want to ask yourself, oral vs injectibles? what is your overall goal of the cycle? and side effect tolerance...there are some great women here who have a lot of experience with a variety of the AAS and they can chime in too as it relates to some of the other options.

 

[psizzle_8]

Var is usually the starter drug...

As far as gaining mass. It took me six years to get all the mass I have...roids alone won't do it...when I was my biggest last year, yes I was on a cycle, but I learned the science of timing my carbs perfectly around my workouts. That's key. Keepin a low carb diet year round isn't what you do when you're wanting to gain. Keep that in mind.

 

[Boomie]

Gotcha! Thanks ladies. I am in it for the long haul and know it will take some time. The muscle I do have has taken time. Obviously I wanna be smart about it so it's gonna be a long process. Under a 100 carbs with the majority of those being ramp up two hours to 45 min before lifting and then 45 min post is what I do when I cut. Hard to fit much more carbs in there low cal while still hitting protein requirements. However bulking I'll have alot more cals to play with more carbs. Really appreciate the time. I'm gonna do some more looking around here to see where everything goes and plan to be more active.

 

[slat1]

Im a guy so take this as you will:

-You look great judging by your picture. Do you want to risk sides? How much muscle are sides worth? Its always a risk/reward thing.

-If you are determined to use AAS and var in particular I would start at 5mgs. If you don't get results from that your meal plan is off and you will be able to get great results just from fixing that. Then when that is fixed 5mgs should set it off.

*Side note: a close friend of mine is an IFBB pro bber. She has never done more than 10mgs of var and a little clen. She stresses its all in your meal plan and your routine.

-I always try to stress to women to start low. You can always increase the dose later if you really want too. The fact is you can run multiple cycles at 5mgs or what ever you choose and still get results. I feel its better to start low and see how you respond than start high (usually because some guy at the gym said to) and regret it the rest of your life.

Best of luck!

*Side note: 5mgs of var is strong enough to shut down a man's natural testosterone production.

 

[Boomie]

Thanks slat. I really want that hard look especially in the abs legs that I have only seen from women using aas. I was going to start at 5 and stay there for at least 3 weeks and only bump if I felt necessary. I feel my training and diet are pretty spot on I don't know how much more improving I could do there and maintain a sane lifestyle. I am aware of the risks and am willing to stop if I see any sides. I'm not gonna go crazy or even use for a long period of time. I was thinking 6-8 weeks then run another maybe for 12 weeks in another four months if all goes well. Maybe do two cycles a year and that's it.

This is all said pre cycle var of course all is subject to change.

 

[psizzle_8]

Im a guy so take this as you will:

-You look great judging by your picture. Do you want to risk sides? How much muscle are sides worth? Its always a risk/reward thing.

-If you are determined to use AAS and var in particular I would start at 5mgs. If you don't get results from that your meal plan is off and you will be able to get great results just from fixing that. Then when that is fixed 5mgs should set it off.

*Side note: a close friend of mine is an IFBB pro bber. She has never done more than 10mgs of var and a little clen. She stresses its all in your meal plan and your routine.

-I always try to stress to women to start low. You can always increase the dose later if you really want too. The fact is you can run multiple cycles at 5mgs or what ever you choose and still get results. I feel its better to start low and see how you respond than start high (usually because some guy at the gym said to) and regret it the rest of your life.

Best of luck!

*Side note: 5mgs of var is strong enough to shut down a man's natural testosterone production.

Yeah...steroids aren't a joke and shouldn't be underestimated. But 9 times out of 10 they are. All we can do is offer our knowledgeable advice and they can do with it what they will.

 

[psizzle_8]

Thanks slat. I really want that hard look especially in the abs legs that I have only seen from women using aas. I was going to start at 5 and stay there for at least 3 weeks and only bump if I felt necessary. I feel my training and diet are pretty spot on I don't know how much more improving I could do there and maintain a sane lifestyle. I am aware of the risks and am willing to stop if I see any sides. I'm not gonna go crazy or even use for a long period of time. I was thinking 6-8 weeks then run another maybe for 12 weeks in another four months if all goes well. Maybe do two cycles a year and that's it.

This is all said pre cycle var of course all is subject to change.

It IS possible. Took me six years to get the mass I had before I even touched roids. Usually people that come on here and say 'they're frustrated' don't usually put in as much as they need.

Being a woman, it's even harder. I'm against resorting to roids unless you've put sufficient time in naturally...getting cut CAN be accomplished without roids if you work hard enough...roids aren't a magic extreme fat burner. You still have to work your ass off.

 

[Boomie]

It IS possible. Took me six years to get the mass I had before I even touched roids. Usually people that come on here and say 'they're frustrated' don't usually put in as much as they need.

Well good thing I'm not one of those people, never once mentioned I was 'frustrated'. If you don't mind me asking why did you start using them?

Being a woman, it's even harder. I'm against resorting to roids unless you've put sufficient time in naturally...getting cut CAN be accomplished without roids if you work hard enough...roids aren't a magic extreme fat burner. You still have to work your ass off.

Once again didn't say they were. Are you speaking in general to the masses that come post these sorts of questions or me individually? What is sufficient time mean to you? Would you be one to argue that women using aas and women not using aas have no advantages over each other and these women generally look the same in the terms of muscle density/ hardness?

Just picking your brain. I am listening to everyone's opinions and expertise. I just would hope that you are considering my individual circumstance and not just the random female poster to the forum.

I feel I have put sufficient time in naturally. I do bust my ass in the gym and would only work harder if I did choose to run a cycle. My diet is in check and has been for years. Sure I have experimented for what works for me and had a baby in there.

I just feel the way you addressing this it's as if I don't know these things (being a woman it's harder, still have to work my ass off.) Did you read my intro or look at the photo? So I guess what I got from your knowledge is that you feel I'm not working hard enough, correct?

 

[psizzle_8]

Well good thing I'm not one of those people, never once mentioned I was 'frustrated'. If you don't mind me asking why did you start using them?


Once again didn't say they were. Are you speaking in general to the masses that come post these sorts of questions or me individually? What is sufficient time mean to you? Would you be one to argue that women using aas and women not using aas have no advantages over each other and these women generally look the same in the terms of muscle density/ hardness?

Just picking your brain. I am listening to everyone's opinions and expertise. I just would hope that you are considering my individual circumstance and not just the random female poster to the forum.

I feel I have put sufficient time in naturally. I do bust my ass in the gym and would only work harder if I did choose to run a cycle. My diet is in check and has been for years. Sure I have experimented for what works for me and had a baby in there.

I just feel the way you addressing this it's as if I don't know these things (being a woman it's harder, still have to work my ass off.) Did you read my intro or look at the photo? So I guess what I got from your knowledge is that you feel I'm not working hard enough, correct?

I took AAS because I was planning on competing, and I'd like to model. Both careers require you to have a ridiculous physique.

Relax...I was speaking in general. You don't know how many people come on here wanting to do steroids to lose weight. Makes no fucking sense. That's what diet and cardio are for. Steroids are for taking the next step with your body when genetics have taken you as far as they're able to. That's why we don't give advice to people under 21...

Whether you do a round of steroids or not is completely up to you. I'm not gonna be affected lol all I can do is give my personal opinion. Take my sister for example, after having her second child she's unhappy w the weight she's gained, am I gonna suggest giving her steroids? No. See how silly that sounds? It's stupid. Steroids aren't magic fat burners...

Yes I read your stuff and saw your pic. I guarantee with tweaks to your diet and training you'd change your physique. I have pics of me when I was fucking seventeen years old and was more cut and defined than half the dudes I see on here, and I wasn't on ANYTHING but protein and worked my ass off daily in the gym.

 

[Boomie]

I am relaxed I just wanna get knowledge/info and not aas aren't used to lose fat train better eat better and you'll be fine generic answer.

I'm not a typical p90xer eat mcdonalds everyday and wonder why I'm not losing.

The pic is where I am now 10 more pounds will be the end of my cut. I count my cals macros nutrient timing, intermitent faster. I lift heavy ass shit in the gym and do cardio 3x a week. I will be 26 this year not 17. One day when I will compete when I feel I am ready. I would like to try aas because of your similar reasonings. I was looking to get more info and make an informed decision. I just find it odd that most women are not so recommentory of them when they are all using themselves. WHY? Is it we don't discuss until your in the club and already using? That why might be the reason I won't cycle. I know it doesn't make a damn bit a difference to you if I cycle or not, but this is a support forum. Where women can go to ask other women the skinny and not feel judged instead of just taking poor advice. I AM listening and considering which I think is better than most that come on here close minded and don't get the answer they want.

So doing it all over again would you have still cycled? You don't feel that your using gave you warranted results?