Am i the only one??????

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Alright guys i have to know...... Im 27 got 3 kids my wife is 29 and we havent had sex for 2 months wtf..... AM I THE ONLY ONE this is happining too. I would be out the door but child support would kill me what should i do???????

 

[captainahole]

Having 3 kids is an excuse. Get your head out of your ass and talk to her about it. Find out what's the real issues if she says she is just to tired. There is always a deeper issue. If that truely is the issue than it is time to get your wife out on a date. Chances you have gotten lazy in your relationship so someone has to be the grown up.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

The good thing is is my forearms look like ive implanted coke cans!!!!! Dude weve tried the date thing but it didnt help. Last date we went on was my christmas party top notch hotel,top notch dinner, got back to the room and a dead fish moves around more than she did. Do u have kids???? I work night shift so i sleep during the day complete opposite schedule as everyone. Thanks for the advice...... Maybe its just Me Maybe its just HER or maybe we need to meet in the middle I was hoping to hear from someone in the same situation.
thanks though

 

[captainahole]

The good thing is is my forearms look like ive implanted coke cans!!!!! Dude weve tried the date thing but it didnt help. Last date we went on was my christmas party top notch hotel,top notch dinner, got back to the room and a dead fish moves around more than she did. Do u have kids???? I work night shift so i sleep during the day complete opposite schedule as everyone. Thanks for the advice...... Maybe its just Me Maybe its just HER or maybe we need to meet in the middle I was hoping to hear from someone in the same situation.
thanks though

Was through that in two different senerio's. One with kids other with own business.
It really is something both of you will want to happen. If it doesn't one of two or bothresults will usually occur.
you will go out and have an affair which will screw everything up as you are well aware of.
You will become perfect stangers in your own home and be good friend which you should just not be together.
There must be something wrong that she's not telling you and until you get through that it will not change. So a real frank conversation is going to have to happen. Not insulting not blaming. You will have to ask her for the absolute truth and be ready for the answer which you may not want to hear. YOu can't get angry with her or anything and you must take it as a learning conversation.
Try it, it may be something that is really needed.
Hope the best for you.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

thanks dude will see what happens ill keep you posted.

 

[Mass Insanity]

Ever thought she might be getting laid somewhere else>?

 

[musclemom]

The good thing is is my forearms look like ive implanted coke cans!!!!! Dude weve tried the date thing but it didnt help. Last date we went on was my christmas party top notch hotel,top notch dinner, got back to the room and a dead fish moves around more than she did. Do u have kids???? I work night shift so i sleep during the day complete opposite schedule as everyone. Thanks for the advice...... Maybe its just Me Maybe its just HER or maybe we need to meet in the middle I was hoping to hear from someone in the same situation.
thanks though

Y'know, in neither of your posts have you said anything about what she said when you talked to her about this problem, but here is what we on the board know:

1. You work night shift so she's the primary caregiver of the children during the week.

2. You have three children.

Frankly, if I was basically the single parent to three children (which is what she is for all intents and purposes during the week, since you're sleeping during the day when the kids are up), the last thing I'd want to do is have sex. Considering your age it's safe to assume the children are all quite young, too, aren't they?

You REALLY have no idea why she doesn't want to fuck you?

Dude, she's not just physically tired, she's mentally exhausted. She needs more than a frigging date night, she needs some relief, she's burnt the hell out.

Try switching your shift. If that can't happen then you'll just have to get over yourself. Stop being a fourth child and expecting her to go from nurturing three small children to nurturing you; she probably barely has anything left for herself after she's done with them.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Geezus bro. I wish you the best. Probably one of the worst punishments for a man is having a girl who don't wanna fuck. You gotta talk to her, try the best to fix the problem, bu she as a woman must understand and realize that sex for men is like food. If you are hungry, YOU HAVE to eat; eventually, starving, you will eat whatever you can; even your leather belt. With sex is the same. Sooner or later you will get it somewhere else. But of course first, try to fix the problem with your wife.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

finally someone feels my pain........thanks dude

 

[musclemom]

finally someone feels my pain........thanks dude

It sounds like you really don't actually give a good goddamn why she isn't screwing you, only about the lack of sex.

Frankly, you sound shallow, petty and selfish. You need to take a good long hard look at yourself, buddy, and really get your priorities straight.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

shallow yea a little i work nights.... come home take the kids to school while she sleeps in. after that i sleep until 12 pick one son up then come home make a snack then go back and pick up the older one. after that go to the park for about 2 hrs then come home and sleep for about 1-2 .......
THEN commute 2 freaking hours to work put in a shift THEN commute 2 hrs home and do it all over again. I work my ass off. oct nov and dec i worked double shifts 6 days a week to give my kids and wife some kick ass christmas presents.


CALL ME SHALLOW CALL ME A DICK I GIVE HER THE FUCKING WORLD
(BRAND NEW TRUCK, BRAND NEW HOUSE, BRAND NEW EVERYTHING)
SHE GETS EVERYTHING SHE WANTS AND ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH.....
SO IM A SHALLOW DICK???????????????
ALL SHE HAS TO DO IN RETURN IS LAY THERE ONCE A WEEK IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME EVERTHING SHE GETS AND I CANT GET IT ONCE A WEEK WHOS THE SHALLOW PRICK NOW?????????????????????

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

No hard feeling MUSCLEMOM it just a very touchy subject.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Damn bro, i hope this doesnt happen to me. My gf is actually telling me no sex until marriage (in june) because she is christian, but she agreed to once every two weeks or whatever.


You should tell her what UFO said, that sex is like food. And that you work hard too, and that you are not trying to sound selfish, but to you it seems selfish that she would just lay there and not give you sex because shes exhausted. So are you! 2 months is too long

 

[musclemom]

shallow yea a little i work nights.... come home take the kids to school while she sleeps in. after that i sleep until 12 pick one son up then come home make a snack then go back and pick up the older one. after that go to the park for about 2 hrs then come home and sleep for about 1-2 .......
THEN commute 2 freaking hours to work put in a shift THEN commute 2 hrs home and do it all over again. I work my ass off. oct nov and dec i worked double shifts 6 days a week to give my kids and wife some kick ass christmas presents.

CALL ME SHALLOW CALL ME A DICK I GIVE HER THE FUCKING WORLD
(BRAND NEW TRUCK, BRAND NEW HOUSE, BRAND NEW EVERYTHING)
SHE GETS EVERYTHING SHE WANTS AND ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH.....
SO IM A SHALLOW DICK???????????????
ALL SHE HAS TO DO IN RETURN IS LAY THERE ONCE A WEEK IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME EVERTHING SHE GETS AND I CANT GET IT ONCE A WEEK WHOS THE SHALLOW PRICK NOW?????????????????????

Your marriage is doomed. Prep yourself for the child support. You either get real with yourself or you start to calculate what you'll be paying out every week. When my husband was paying on two kids his payment was $255 a week ...

See, you're blind, you only see the STUFF you provide, not what isn't there and you refuse to admit that something might not be there. Maybe both of you are too materialistic, I don't live there. But the lack of affection ain't just about her not screwing you. The problems go far deeper than that and it's not just her problem.

My ex husband had the same mentality. If he bought me enough shit it made up for the emotional emptiness and total disconnect. He dumped on me about any time he spent with his child, ragged on me about how hard he worked then to have to come home and god forbid, spend quality time with his son. His idea of parenting was parking the kid in front of video games or the t.v. and giving me shit about taking so much as an hour to go grocery shopping by myself. Meanwhile the kid acted out because daddy was a selfish asshat.

Whatever, little secret, bowhunter, you seduce a woman's heart and mind and you're already 3/4s of a way into her pants and she's wanting it. If the sex life was good once upon a time, and she's not fucking you now it's because there's no emotional connection now. And guess what, it usually takes two to screw up a relationship.

Considering I've got a kid two whole years younger than you between two marriages, I've been married a grand total of 24 years, I think I might have a little idea about how to make marriages work and fail

You either get honest with yourself, or you have fun with that future divorce You think spending a little daily time with kids sucks? Try rebuilding a relationship with your kids ever other weekend. You think that truck and house are expensive now? You try laying out a quarter of your salary for the next ten or more years without getting tax breaks or the deductions

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Ill keep you posted on how things go over the next couple of months........ I got back in the gym thats why i joined this site and everyones super helpfull so ill be around for a while.

 

[tomw]

I think you are a little biased musclemom.There are other reasons this could occur but seems you jump to emotional abuse or disconest by the husband by default.

 

[BNG]

OK StickFlinger. Let me start by telling you this hits way too close to home.
Second, let me also admit that I don't know it all, nor will anyone else, when it comes to women. They don't even agree with each other!

My wife and I have been married for 16 years this summer. I'm not some guy shooting off at the mouth, giving advice I know nothing of.
There are many things that drive a relationship to this. Usually there isn't a smoking gun. The little things add up. I worked shift work, and on the road for a while and it didn't help, but it was far from "the cause" of problems. I felt that I was doing all I could and she expected it. She felt unappreciated and that I took her for granted. It came to a head at lunch one day.
She told me about a couple we knew, he'd cheated on his wife and she said she couldn't understand why. I said "I do". When she asked me if I had cheated I was honest and said no but I'd thought of it, and it was looking a lot better lately.
There's a ton more I could tell you, but bottom line was it took an incredibly honest, blunt, hurtful conversation to get some things out in the open. It isn't completely over now. Marriage is something that takes work in itself. It may be something that will require counseling not just conversations. I'm considering it myself.

 

[musclemom]

I think you are a little biased musclemom.There are other reasons this could occur but seems you jump to emotional abuse or disconest by the husband by default.

No, I'm just sick to death of hearing the same whining bullshit over and over and over again. I've been on this board nearly four years now, and if I had a nickle for every thread created by some guy with a bunch of little curtain climbers not getting laid I'd have a nice little nest egg, but you know something, they all run like this: I give her everything, I work my ass off, I have a miserable commute, and the wife never fucks me, what's wrong?

Take our buddy up there is a perfect example. Three kids, the oldest is 8, which means the youngest is probably not even in preschool. He's working eight hours a night ON TOP OF a four hour round trip commute. So he's out of the house 12 hours a day. He said he sleeps maybe four hours a day in another thread, AND he's going back to the gym, another hour, easy. 16+ hours a day he's out of the picture.

Trust me, I've done both, the full time mothering and the full time work with no kids. It's WAYYYYYYY fucking easier to go to work every day. You may be beat, but you aren't utterly, totally, completely brain drained. His wife probably feels like her brains are turning to silly putty.

Taking care of children full time is harder than ANY frigging job on this planet. It's demanding and exhausting and you get no credit for your work.

Don't believe me? Try babysitting for a relative once in a while. You'll have an entirely new perspective on things. You really want to be generous, offer to watch the kid over the weekend. If you aren't ready to hang yourself after 48 hours I'll eat my hat.

 

[jd_uk]

No, I'm just sick to death of hearing the same whining bullshit over and over and over again. I've been on this board nearly four years now, and if I had a nickle for every thread created by some guy with a bunch of little curtain climbers not getting laid I'd have a nice little nest egg, but you know something, they all run like this: I give her everything, I work my ass off, I have a miserable commute, and the wife never fucks me, what's wrong?

Take our buddy up there is a perfect example. Three kids, the oldest is 8, which means the youngest is probably not even in preschool. He's working eight hours a night ON TOP OF a four hour round trip commute. So he's out of the house 12 hours a day. He said he sleeps maybe four hours a day in another thread, AND he's going back to the gym, another hour, easy. 16+ hours a day he's out of the picture.

Trust me, I've done both, the full time mothering and the full time work with no kids. It's WAYYYYYYY fucking easier to go to work every day. You may be beat, but you aren't utterly, totally, completely brain drained. His wife probably feels like her brains are turning to silly putty.

Taking care of children full time is harder than ANY frigging job on this planet. It's demanding and exhausting and you get no credit for your work.

Don't believe me? Try babysitting for a relative once in a while. You'll have an entirely new perspective on things. You really want to be generous, offer to watch the kid over the weekend. If you aren't ready to hang yourself after 48 hours I'll eat my hat.

No offense musclemom but you ARE being a litte biased. Yeah you've given some good advice and it is partly up to him to make things work but it is up to her too. When a woman gets married and has kids that shouldn't be an excuse to change the deal and stop bothering with sex. DJ_UFO is dead right when he said that sex is like food to a lot of men. Very few women will understand that completely.

 

[tomw]

No, I'm just sick to death of hearing the same whining bullshit over and over and over again. I've been on this board nearly four years now, and if I had a nickle for every thread created by some guy with a bunch of little curtain climbers not getting laid I'd have a nice little nest egg, but you know something, they all run like this: I give her everything, I work my ass off, I have a miserable commute, and the wife never fucks me, what's wrong?

Take our buddy up there is a perfect example. Three kids, the oldest is 8, which means the youngest is probably not even in preschool. He's working eight hours a night ON TOP OF a four hour round trip commute. So he's out of the house 12 hours a day. He said he sleeps maybe four hours a day in another thread, AND he's going back to the gym, another hour, easy. 16+ hours a day he's out of the picture.

Trust me, I've done both, the full time mothering and the full time work with no kids. It's WAYYYYYYY fucking easier to go to work every day. You may be beat, but you aren't utterly, totally, completely brain drained. His wife probably feels like her brains are turning to silly putty.

Taking care of children full time is harder than ANY frigging job on this planet. It's demanding and exhausting and you get no credit for your work.

Don't believe me? Try babysitting for a relative once in a while. You'll have an entirely new perspective on things. You really want to be generous, offer to watch the kid over the weekend. If you aren't ready to hang yourself after 48 hours I'll eat my hat.

I was a single parent(Full time no visitation from his mom)from the time my son was 6months old till i remaried in 1996(9 years)I know about kids and work first hand. I have a wonderful wife ,imake an income inthe top 5% of the nation I cook compliment and provide constant emotional support . my wife has had a reduced sex drive we have talked about it she has gone to her MD. about it we have a wonderful life together but she does not desire sex as much as i do,it was frustratint,made me insecure but WE worked through, so again you maybe right in this situation I dont know,but ihave read your posts on past threads like this one and does seem you go here quick. not every man is not getting laid because he is an unconciderate ass.

 

[musclemom]

No offense musclemom but you ARE being a litte biased. Yeah you've given some good advice and it is partly up to him to make things work but it is up to her too. When a woman gets married and has kids that shouldn't be an excuse to change the deal and stop bothering with sex. DJ_UFO is dead right when he said that sex is like food to a lot of men. Very few women will understand that completely.

You're right, I am biased, it probably stems from seeing the same thing over and over, these unloved, unlaid men almost never say the following: I'VE TALKED TO HER.

If I have a problem with my husband, I talk to him. If my husband has a problem with me, he TALKS TO ME.

You're right, I don't understand most men. You claim sex is an essential ingredient to your survival, but you won't open your freaking pie holes and SPEAK to the women you've committed your lives to and say "Umm, I'm finding the quantity/quality of our sex life recently somewhat unsatisfactory, what are your feelings about this matter and could we possibly do something about this?"

 

[LoneTree]

Having 3 kids is an excuse. Get your head out of your ass and talk to her about it. Find out what's the real issues if she says she is just to tired. There is always a deeper issue. If that truely is the issue than it is time to get your wife out on a date. Chances you have gotten lazy in your relationship so someone has to be the grown up.

I agree.

 

[Mickey36]

Everyone's situation is different. I can tell you that I go through times when I am not horny and in the mood but I understand that my husband needs sex not only for sexual gratification but also for mental gratification. He needs to feel like I want him. Many men, at the core, need to feel like they are sexual attracted by their mate. If they do not feel that way, then they are more likely to seek that mental and physical connection else where. If she is open to communication, then I would talk to her and not be afraid to tell her how it makes you feel. If she still doesn't care, then there could be other underlying issues and do what you have to. You are right, being tired and mentally exhausted is not an excuse that should be carried on for two months.

Cheers,

Mickey

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

MOM, when i wrote this I was looking for a guys view of the situation (Maybe i should have stated that) Only a guy would know how I feel and I think only a guy could help...... Every women is different. Every man is the same (sex, warm meal, clean house) dont disagree because this is a fact and every guy will agree with me. (BJ's come with the sex part so dont bother adding those). Another thing that i have found is, race and the way the woman was brought up play a huge part in the way she acts. No offence but if you have kids almost as old as me you were brought up different then Her or I. Look at the other countries in this world most women treat there husband like a king. (THERE A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES BUT HEY HISTORY IS SUPPOSED TO REPEAT ITSELF RIGHT????) Im not asking to be treated like a king by any means just using it as an example. Dont bash it its the truth.

Now i live in Ca, Lived here all of my life (know no different). To me it seems like everyone here looks up to the rich and famous and want to live the OC lifestyle. No matter what a women gets, its not enough. 1st starts with clothes then fake boobs then a facelift then lypo etc. etc. etc.

If your not greatful for what you have, then the person who provides these things doesent mean shit.

Dont bother bashing this think about it first before you spout off in anger.

Now its hard to give all the details when your typing here because there are so many.
1.we talk and she says she will work on it. (been saying it for the last month) Ionly live once and time is passing me by. I really havent bothered her about it since then.(To give her some space)
2. My wife my kids and myself go to churh every sunday and religon helps out alot.
3. She had depression after our second kid. Then got hooked on pain killers and is trying to wheen herself off as we speak.
4. I love my wife and i love my kids and i love my family.

I was hoping this was a medical issuse that some one has experienced, because it seems as if ive tried everything. MAYBE I YES I SAID I AM MISSING SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have a fruit tree that doesnt produce what to you do cut it down and get rid of it.
If you hav a dead animal whos meat spoiled what do you do with it..........

In previous post i had talked about leaving. To be honest I dont think I could do it because it would hurt my childred to much. But then again you only live once so what the fuck do you do.
Thanks again for everyones input (EVEN YOU MOM LOL)

 

[cindylou]

Men and women want sex for different reasons. We are motivated by different reasons. Understanding the motivations of a woman will help you with your problem. Seeking counseling can help small problems from developing into bigger ones that can destroy a marriage.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

almost forgot another to the list of details.... This has been going on for about the past 5 years!!!!!!! (Sex every two months)

 

[tomw]

MOM, when i wrote this I was looking for a guys view of the situation (Maybe i should have stated that) Only a guy would know how I feel and I think only a guy could help...... Every women is different. Every man is the same (sex, warm meal, clean house) dont disagree because this is a fact and every guy will agree with me. (BJ's come with the sex part so dont bother adding those). Another thing that i have found is, race and the way the woman was brought up play a huge part in the way she acts. No offence but if you have kids almost as old as me you were brought up different then Her or I. Look at the other countries in this world most women treat there husband like a king. (THERE A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES BUT HEY HISTORY IS SUPPOSED TO REPEAT ITSELF RIGHT????) Im not asking to be treated like a king by any means just using it as an example. Dont bash it its the truth.

Now i live in Ca, Lived here all of my life (know no different). To me it seems like everyone here looks up to the rich and famous and want to live the OC lifestyle. No matter what a women gets, its not enough. 1st starts with clothes then fake boobs then a facelift then lypo etc. etc. etc.

If your not greatful for what you have, then the person who provides these things doesent mean shit.

Dont bother bashing this think about it first before you spout off in anger.

Now its hard to give all the details when your typing here because there are so many.
1.we talk and she says she will work on it. (been saying it for the last month) Ionly live once and time is passing me by. I really havent bothered her about it since then.(To give her some space)
2. My wife my kids and myself go to churh every sunday and religon helps out alot.
3. She had depression after our second kid. Then got hooked on pain killers and is trying to wheen herself off as we speak.
4. I love my wife and i love my kids and i love my family.

I was hoping this was a medical issuse that some one has experienced, because it seems as if ive tried everything. MAYBE I YES I SAID I AM MISSING SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have a fruit tree that doesnt produce what to you do cut it down and get rid of it.
If you hav a dead animal whos meat spoiled what do you do with it..........

In previous post i had talked about leaving. To be honest I dont think I could do it because it would hurt my childred to much. But then again you only live once so what the fuck do you do.
Thanks again for everyones input (EVEN YOU MOM LOL)

I think you stated the problem with item #3 ,the pain killers,opioids over time will have a detromental impact on hormone production wich would greatly decrease sex drive.if she stops completly you should notice a diferance but it will take a few months

 

[musclemom]

In previous post i had talked about leaving. To be honest I dont think I could do it because it would hurt my childred to much. But then again you only live once so what the fuck do you do. Thanks again for everyones input (EVEN YOU MOM LOL)

Do me a favor, kid, don't call me mom. You haven't been on this board long enough to earn that right.

California, huh? Well there's incentive to stay in the marriage all by itself, talk about shitty divorce laws. Looks like you better get used to living in the pussy equivalent of the Sahara or get your asses into a marriage counselor's office.

I wish you luck with your old lady, bowhunter, whether you wanted the advise of a pathetic old witch or not. I'll tell you one thing for sure, avoiding being "home" when you're not working by going on hunting trips, going to the gym, and hanging on computer message boards ain't gonna help the sex situation.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I understand musclemom's point of view for the fact that there is a fundamental problem in the relationship that must be confronted, understood and discussed to find a solution. Most of the time is not possible to do it by both of you at that stage. Is way down in the core of the relationship. BOTH MUST understand and realize that men and women are totally different and opposite species; the only way to make a relationship lasting is to put aside any pride and give to the other one what it needs without expecting something in return. It is absolutely hard to do. We all have different personalities, we all have bad moments, bad days, and in a marriage, we share those moments with the other person.

Now from the point of view of a man, it is a hard thing to say....but I am aware as a man that we are nasty bastards. In my case, I am a very "horny" man, and if for some reason I can't have sex with the woman I'm with, my whole personality change. I become rude, aggressive, intolerant...I KNOW is a bad thing, but I guess is impossible to avoid. It is just the nature of man. WE ARE NOT A SPECIE OF ONE SINGLE SEXUAL PARTNER. By nature we are designed to reproduce as much as we can with as many females as we can in order to improve the specie. Forcing ourselves into a single sexual partner relationship might have catastrophic psycho logic consequences for some individuals.

Whatever is your case, you gotta act as a knight. Confront the problem. Stand up, man up. Put everything from your part. Go see a professional. Go see a psychologist by yourself. If possible see a female doc and a male doc so you have professional point of views from both sexes. Go together to counseling. If there is no solution, again, man up. If divorce is the exit, so be it. Change careers, go to school, whatever. There is always an exit for every problem, and there is always a worst situation to be in. Just make sure whatever is the result, that will be the best for the kids and for both of you. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL THE SITUATION BECOMES UNSUSTAINABLE. There is no reason to get to that point.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Again thanks for all the input. Well see what happens.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Hey bro, just read some articles that are amazing and talk about his needs, her needs.

Guess what the number one need for a guy is? SEXUAL FULFILLMENT which means sex.

NUmber two need for a guy is a recreational playmate, which means to do stuff with his wife.

These are things that are supposed to help your marriage last forever, not fix a sex situation.

Her number one need is affection, and her second need is conversation. When she says she wants to talk, dont say "ok about what" she just wants to talk. Tell her that you guys need to understand your differences as a man and a woman, and that you need sex. For a man thats what he needs. It just is thats why there are dirty pigs everywhere that want sex. Go to her in a loving way and say she needs to understand that, and that you shouldnt have your wife not meet your fulfillment. Thats wrong, part of marriage includes sex with her for the rest of your life, so she needs to do that. Not every day, you cant force it on her, but she NEEDS to realize its her job as a wife.

Also she needs to chase you sometime,make you seem wanted. Not having sex with you only makes you more mad because you are a guy, not a bad husband. So MOM dont act like you know everything and that he is shallow. ALL guys are shallow for that matter. Going into marriage with one girl for the rest of your life is not shallow. He deserves sex!

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

talking thats where i have a problem everytime we sit down to talk i always end up switching the convrsation to sex. just kidding....
like when she says her stomach hurts i tell her i got a cure for that.....
a nice protien shake courtesy of yours truly.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Well get on a serious note! how come im givin advice and im the one thats not married yet (will be in june) haha

 

[natecr]

jeeze musclemom your so one side minded its unbelieveable. I'm not even married yet and i can tell you the insecurities its brings on a man..

Depression, disconcert..
Is she fucking someone else?
Does she not love me anymore
Doubt, NO PRIDE IN YOURSELF AS A MAN..

And maybe you dont fucking understand. with a work schedule like his (thank god i dont have that anymore) Its pretty damn hard when your nights are days and your days are nights to be productive outside of buying her cars. taking her to dinner. working your ass off to the point of fatigue.

Every man tries to fill his obligations in married or not. (if in a serious relationship)

but you haul off and bash this guy as if he said he hadnt spoken to her. as if he said he was going on random hunting trips and ski trips without her. No thats not how it was. Its a man whos broken down by busting his ass 24 7 and trying his damndest to feel like his wife still cares.

You may have some good logic on marriage. But on this case your so biased you dont even have a fucking IDEA what its like when your that exhausted.

How about looking at it in the light of. My husband works his ass off for me, for my kids. he has those horrible hours. i mean wheres the fuckin sympathy? i dont mean she should bow down but what happened to fulfilling your roles as wives? or is watching the kid and doing your desk job.. sleeping in while he takes them to school to hard for your back.

pathetic how pissed off you are at this situation and you dont even listen. just throw your opinion out there like were all shallow pieces of dumb shit who are illiterate

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Well on a good note....

I finally got my manhood back on monday night Now ill just have to wait another two months. So be ready when i post again.........

 

[manny78]

Alright guys i have to know...... Im 27 got 3 kids my wife is 29 and we havent had sex for 2 months wtf.....

And she'll probably get fat as a modern Moby Dick.

Congrats bro, you just PWNED yourself...

 

[jd_uk]

jeeze musclemom your so one side minded its unbelieveable. I'm not even married yet and i can tell you the insecurities its brings on a man..

Depression, disconcert..
Is she fucking someone else?
Does she not love me anymore
Doubt, NO PRIDE IN YOURSELF AS A MAN..

And maybe you dont fucking understand. with a work schedule like his (thank god i dont have that anymore) Its pretty damn hard when your nights are days and your days are nights to be productive outside of buying her cars. taking her to dinner. working your ass off to the point of fatigue.

Every man tries to fill his obligations in married or not. (if in a serious relationship)

but you haul off and bash this guy as if he said he hadnt spoken to her. as if he said he was going on random hunting trips and ski trips without her. No thats not how it was. Its a man whos broken down by busting his ass 24 7 and trying his damndest to feel like his wife still cares.

You may have some good logic on marriage. But on this case your so biased you dont even have a fucking IDEA what its like when your that exhausted.

How about looking at it in the light of. My husband works his ass off for me, for my kids. he has those horrible hours. i mean wheres the fuckin sympathy? i dont mean she should bow down but what happened to fulfilling your roles as wives? or is watching the kid and doing your desk job.. sleeping in while he takes them to school to hard for your back.

pathetic how pissed off you are at this situation and you dont even listen. just throw your opinion out there like were all shallow pieces of dumb shit who are illiterate

Sadly, a lot of women these days think the same way too. Apparenty it's called equal rights...or something like that. If a guy isn't getting enough sex it's always his fault for not giving her enough attention etc. Those women will wonder why the guy eventually gets his sex elsewhere and no longer wants it with her...and the sad part is that the thing to hurt the most will be the loss of power she feels.

 

[natecr]

i cant believe how she has the odacity to strike out at him when hes clearly taking his role as a mature responsible dad.

pathetic.

 

[natecr]

bump.. waiting on here to rip me a new one.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

lol i dont think anyone is left. you scared them off..... well valentines day. got here flowers candy $200 dollar gift card. guess what i got.......... the promise to have sex. sweeeeet!!!!!
i just have to wait until april to get my gift lol

 

[heavy_duty]

Holy shit man 3 kids? I have 2 and they suck every ounce of energy out of me on a daily basis. I only go to work to get a break.
Wife does not need a date she needs a week away from the kids.
If you want to get laid here's what you do.
(a) all the dishes
(b) all the laundry
(c) all the cooking
(d) all the breakfast, lunch and dinner and diapers for a few days in a ROW.

then she'll be goood to go!

oh and by the way...she aint fucking you because she DOES NOT WANT KID #4 and is afraid of getting prego again!!!!!

oh yah...women don't know the difference between a brand new truck and a 3 year old truck so it is a dumb thing to waste money on and expect them to be all excited.

GUYS like new cars/trucks NOT chicks!

but guys DO like to brag that they got the old lady a new rig LOL

man just listen to musclemom and get ready to lose everything in the divorce....her new boyfriend will be driving your new truck.

the truth is very bitter but it does taste better than bullshit.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Does your wife work?????

 

[heavy_duty]

yes she does 4-5 days a week.

I take the kids to school and pick them up. I'm with them a lot and they can really suck my energy but its all good I let them.
then again if you sit them in front of a TV (which i dont do) they'll be quiet and leave you alone.

today I drained them at the out door rink playing hockey for 2 hours...and they're 2 girls ages 5 & 6

2 kids is more than double the work of 1 kid so what's 3 like???

 

[heavy_duty]

almost forgot another to the list of details.... This has been going on for about the past 5 years!!!!!!! (Sex every two months)

Please get her some therapy for her depression.
that is a very fucked up illness that does not go away.
and the meds help but have fucked up sides.
I got lots of depression in my family....different levels of it going up to BP and MD


I feel your pain bro.

 

[DJ_UFO]

lol i dont think anyone is left. you scared them off..... well valentines day. got here flowers candy $200 dollar gift card. guess what i got.......... the promise to have sex. sweeeeet!!!!!
i just have to wait until april to get my gift lol

LOL. It is good that you actually make fun of it. Don't let that shit depress you. It will be a solution for it.

 

[natecr]

tell ya what.. im almost 24..and as ive been in my roommate wedding just recently. and watching other friends get married.. I WILL NOT let my kids have a computer.. I will not let my kids have an xbox unless i get to choose the games..

not to highjack a thread fellas. . but since your talking about it.. I remember when the first nintendo came out.. and what i was exposed to as a child.. (mario bros) contra was about as gory as it got..

But now days kiddos get to hear ppl on there headsets on xbox live... ps3 whatever the hell.. cussing and screaming like adults...when there mad!!! Also like college students talk and fyi like i said im 24. im fully aware of how our actions are now days..

Im single at the moment. but whenever i stop being a manwhore and find the right woman for me to have a child with.. Ill tell yout his much.. he/she wont be exposed to video games like they are now days.

Im young but in my days it was child friendly.. Now video games and things there exposed to say words int he games like. shit piss fuck ASSHOLE..

shit mortal kombat was as bad as it got for me as a kid.

Ill be one of the few that tries to make my kid to smart for the rest of society like i never got

 

[heavy_duty]

tell ya what.. im almost 24..and as ive been in my roommate wedding just recently. and watching other friends get married.. I WILL NOT let my kids have a computer.. I will not let my kids have an xbox unless i get to choose the games..

not to highjack a thread fellas. . but since your talking about it.. I remember when the first nintendo came out.. and what i was exposed to as a child.. (mario bros) contra was about as gory as it got..

But now days kiddos get to hear ppl on there headsets on xbox live... ps3 whatever the hell.. cussing and screaming like adults...when there mad!!! Also like college students talk and fyi like i said im 24. im fully aware of how our actions are now days..

Im single at the moment. but whenever i stop being a manwhore and find the right woman for me to have a child with.. Ill tell yout his much.. he/she wont be exposed to video games like they are now days.

Im young but in my days it was child friendly.. Now video games and things there exposed to say words int he games like. shit piss fuck ASSHOLE..

shit mortal kombat was as bad as it got for me as a kid.

Ill be one of the few that tries to make my kid to smart for the rest of society like i never got

Just make sure your kids can spell and write better than you.

 

[ExtraMile]

Im young but in my days it was child friendly.. Now video games and things there exposed to say words int he games like. shit piss fuck ASSHOLE..

I lol'ed so much at that

 

[natecr]

Just make sure your kids can spell and write better than you.

forgive me for not trying to impress some douche on the internet with correct spelling and punctuation

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

contra i loved that game up up dn dn l r l r ba ba start.......

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Just curious heavy.......

seeing how you spend so much time at home and with the kids, while your wife is at work at least we know who the bread winner is (or you got a job like mine). My wife stays at home thats what she wants to do and i make enough money for her to do that. If she worked it would be different. Ive stayed at home with my kids I know how it is. I would trade working anyday to be a stay at home mom... So fucking easy...... But im not about to be a little bitch. My job is too bring home the money, and her job is too stay at home with the kids. Bottom line she needs to contribute as much as me.

Now i talk and as most of you know i talk like im a bad ass. Like i would ever tell my wife she needs to contribute as much as me. Heavy your in a completly different world then im in. If your wife is working already it means 1 of 2 things. You dont make enough$$$$ or she doesnt want to be with the kids. Youve seen everone else tell me i need to do the dishes clean the house etc. So why are you telling me this??? Everyman knows this but im not going to bow down to my wife for a piece of ass. That what porns for.....

But on the other hand maybe i do need to turn into a BITCH to get layed and my problems would be solved..

So lets take a vote be a Man or Bow like a BITCH




LOL JUST STIRRING UP THE SHIT I want to make this the longest thread ever

 

[natecr]

if you work 9 to 5 and your woman doesnt have a fucking job.. then she better be giving you the pussy.

i would never bow down to a girl im paying all expenses for.. you didnt have to when you first met her and you got laid more than you do now.

if she thinks sitting on her ass at the house doing things like chores and household things is a problem. Tell her to get a job... then coem home from 8 to 5 and have to do the dishes. vacuum.

in my eyes your woman is the epitamy of why i cant settle down.

tell me you dont want to stand up and say. look i foot the f*ckin bill around here. i help out as much as i can. you sit here all damn day and do petty things like clean up and play with the kids.. yet you talk down on me as if i do nothing!

i wouldnt put it in those terms thats just my mindset.. I will not marry a housewife for sole reasons as that.

college degree and shell make just as much as i do and if theres not a house keeper doing the cleaning its mutual work

 

[Wulfgar]

This whole thread should be moved to nomarriage.com

 

[cindylou]

Just curious heavy.......

seeing how you spend so much time at home and with the kids, while your wife is at work at least we know who the bread winner is (or you got a job like mine). My wife stays at home thats what she wants to do and i make enough money for her to do that. If she worked it would be different. Ive stayed at home with my kids I know how it is. I would trade working anyday to be a stay at home mom... So fucking easy...... But im not about to be a little bitch. My job is too bring home the money, and her job is too stay at home with the kids. Bottom line she needs to contribute as much as me.

Now i talk and as most of you know i talk like im a bad ass. Like i would ever tell my wife she needs to contribute as much as me. Heavy your in a completly different world then im in. If your wife is working already it means 1 of 2 things. You dont make enough$$$$ or she doesnt want to be with the kids. Youve seen everone else tell me i need to do the dishes clean the house etc. So why are you telling me this??? Everyman knows this but im not going to bow down to my wife for a piece of ass. That what porns for.....

But on the other hand maybe i do need to turn into a BITCH to get layed and my problems would be solved..

So lets take a vote be a Man or Bow like a BITCH




LOL JUST STIRRING UP THE SHIT I want to make this the longest thread ever

Congrats on the impending divorce. lol

oh, btw, your next wife wont give you the pussy either. Face it. Your woman does not want you! LOL!

just stirring. tee hee

God, this thread has made me realize how good I have it with my man. Imagine I could have ended up with a guy similiar to one of you tools! lol

 

[musclemom]

... If your wife is working already it means 1 of 2 things. You dont make enough$$$$ or she doesnt want to be with the kids. Youve seen everone else tell me i need to do the dishes clean the house etc. So why are you telling me this??? Everyman knows this but im not going to bow down to my wife for a piece of ass. That what porns for.....

But on the other hand maybe i do need to turn into a BITCH to get layed and my problems would be solved..

So lets take a vote be a Man or Bow like a BITCH

Y'know, I really wanted to just avoid this whole thread after my initial input as I'm a firm believer that teaching a pig to sing is unproductive, it both wastes your time and annoys the pig. But after reading the particular exerpt I've quoted, I'm at a loss to decided whether you're just spouting shit out for shock factor, a slightly more amusing alter than usual, or just a hopelessly retarded neanderthal ...

If you really feel that way then the reason you have an emotionally, hence physically, disconnected relationship with your wife is pretty clear, it sounds like you have no respect for her or her role in the home. Your apparent opinion is that being a mother to three and a homemaker is neither demanding, exhausting or draining.

Oh, by the way, there is one other reason none of the men mentioned that women will stop having sex with their significant others for: the hope that sooner or later the men will go away. This is when the women don't bother fighting with you because it's too much work. They don't want to talk about the problem because, in their mind, it's not a problem as long as you keep your hands to yourself and leave them the hell alone. They don't have sex with their men because they can't stand the smell of him, the taste of him, and the feel of his touch makes their skin crawl. Not saying this is your case, bowhunter, just wanted you to have maximum information, you being the rational sort that you are

If she won't go to counseling (I'm assuming you've discussed going to marriage counseling), then there's always the option of seeking counseling for yourself to at least understand her and perhaps give you some better tools with which to communicate with her.

 

[cindylou]

Just curious heavy.......

seeing how you spend so much time at home and with the kids, while your wife is at work at least we know who the bread winner is (or you got a job like mine). My wife stays at home thats what she wants to do and i make enough money for her to do that. If she worked it would be different. Ive stayed at home with my kids I know how it is. I would trade working anyday to be a stay at home mom... So fucking easy...... But im not about to be a little bitch. My job is too bring home the money, and her job is too stay at home with the kids. Bottom line she needs to contribute as much as me.

Now i talk and as most of you know i talk like im a bad ass. Like i would ever tell my wife she needs to contribute as much as me. Heavy your in a completly different world then im in. If your wife is working already it means 1 of 2 things. You dont make enough$$$$ or she doesnt want to be with the kids. Youve seen everone else tell me i need to do the dishes clean the house etc. So why are you telling me this??? Everyman knows this but im not going to bow down to my wife for a piece of ass. That what porns for.....

But on the other hand maybe i do need to turn into a BITCH to get layed and my problems would be solved..

So lets take a vote be a Man or Bow like a BITCH




LOL JUST STIRRING UP THE SHIT I want to make this the longest thread ever

heavy duty said that he works...he said he goes to work to get a break from the kids. Stay at home moms dont get that. Their jobs dont start at 8 and end at 5. Its 24-7. I'd lose my mind as a stay at home mother.

 

[jd_uk]

Congrats on the impending divorce. lol

oh, btw, your next wife wont give you the pussy either. Face it. Your woman does not want you! LOL!

just stirring. tee hee

God, this thread has made me realize how good I have it with my man. Imagine I could have ended up with a guy similiar to one of you tools! lol

I hope you're just joking.

If not, umm 'what a b*tch.'

 

[jd_uk]

Y'know, I really wanted to just avoid this whole thread after my initial input as I'm a firm believer that teaching a pig to sing is unproductive, it both wastes your time and annoys the pig. But after reading the particular exerpt I've quoted, I'm at a loss to decided whether you're just spouting shit out for shock factor, a slightly more amusing alter than usual, or just a hopelessly retarded neanderthal ...

If you really feel that way then the reason you have an emotionally, hence physically, disconnected relationship with your wife is pretty clear, it sounds like you have no respect for her or her role in the home. Your apparent opinion is that being a mother to three and a homemaker is neither demanding, exhausting or draining.

Oh, by the way, there is one other reason none of the men mentioned that women will stop having sex with their significant others for: the hope that sooner or later the men will go away. This is when the women don't bother fighting with you because it's too much work. They don't want to talk about the problem because, in their mind, it's not a problem as long as you keep your hands to yourself and leave them the hell alone. They don't have sex with their men because they can't stand the smell of him, the taste of him, and the feel of his touch makes their skin crawl. Not saying this is your case, bowhunter, just wanted you to have maximum information, you being the rational sort that you are

If she won't go to counseling (I'm assuming you've discussed going to marriage counseling), then there's always the option of seeking counseling for yourself to at least understand her and perhaps give you some better tools with which to communicate with her.

Fuck if you were a counselor most of your patients would top themselves. Bad advice, badly put. (Apart from the seeing a marriage counselor bit).

 

[musclemom]

Fuck if you were a counselor most of your patients would top themselves. Bad advice, badly put. (Apart from the seeing a marriage counselor bit).

Any advice given on any of these forums is worth exactly what price is demanded.

I'm sure your wife is a completely content individual, both a friend and lover to you, and you have a healthier relationship and happier sex life than I possibly could

Incidentally, what advice did I give OTHER than the final paragraph about counseling? The rest of the post was observation.

And if you're talking the comment about a wife cutting a husband off from pussy, I've heard that story more than once. It wouldn't happen in a dating situation, there are no $$$ stakes then.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

And if you're talking the comment about a wife cutting a husband off from pussy, I've heard that story more than once. It wouldn't happen in a dating situation, there are no $$$ stakes then.

This quote is from muscle mom......

Tell me women why do you all bitch for equal rights, equal pay, equal status, equal voting. But when it comes to money and a man. Its only your way.

Why when a man and a women get married and the man brings up the word pre-nup the women gets mad. Let me answer that. Because they cant fuck you in the divorce. You want equal rights then leave with what you came with.

Honestly, do you fucking pussy witholding bicthes think you diserve alimony. What the fuck do you give to the marriage that you diserve this. You want equal rights..... Go get a fucking job.

Now im sure all you women are going to respond in anger..... Why not, I would too if i knew someone was questioning my free ride..........

 

[cindylou]

I dont withold pussy from my man. I would never dream of doing that - the thought has never once crossed my mind. He respects me though. And I LOVE him.

lol @ free ride. You dont see that your wife is a better woman than I, and many women out there. I WOULD NEVER BE A STAY AT HOME MOM. I couldnt stand it. I would go crazy. I would take my job ANY DAY OF THE WEEK than deal with three kids at home. You dont even realize what you have! You dont respect her. Why should she respect you? I am so glad I didnt get messed up with a guy like you. You dont respect your kids enough to respect the job of raising them! Take a good look at your selfish self.

I dont blame her at all. I wouldnt fuck you either.

I'll tell you right now that a woman needs romance for sex and a man needs sex for romance. She needs to feel loved. You dont make her feel loved. You make her feel like a piece of shit who is getting a free ride off you. I say you let her go. the poor thing has bear your children and you treat her like dirt.

 

[cindylou]

If my man expects me to stay at home and raise his kids...and we divorce? You better believe that I take money and the retirement I never got to contribute to when i was out of the work force. I would never marry a man who demanded a prenup who expected me to raise his kids. That would be foolish. We have to protect ourselves too. You are also forgetting the fact that she has given you the most valueable thing she has...her youth. She has given you the prime time of her life when she has youth and beauty. She risked all that for you! You dont respect ANYTHING she does, and we are supposed to feel sympathy because you bought her a fucking car? No, Im sorry A TRUCK! YOU WANTED THE TRUCK. Give me a break! Take a look in the mirror. You cannot possibly be happy living your life so selfishly. Put others before youself. Put your wife and kids ahead of yourself. You will be happier. I promise if you give that to the relationship you WILL GET IT BACK at least twofold. Put her first and make her feel loved, and she will love you forever. love = sex. To a woman.

 

[musclemom]

And if you're talking the comment about a wife cutting a husband off from pussy, I've heard that story more than once. It wouldn't happen in a dating situation, there are no $$$ stakes then.

This quote is from muscle mom......

Tell me women why do you all bitch for equal rights, equal pay, equal status, equal voting. But when it comes to money and a man. Its only your way.

Why when a man and a women get married and the man brings up the word pre-nup the women gets mad. Let me answer that. Because they cant fuck you in the divorce. You want equal rights then leave with what you came with.

Honestly, do you fucking pussy witholding bicthes think you diserve alimony. What the fuck do you give to the marriage that you diserve this. You want equal rights..... Go get a fucking job.

Now im sure all you women are going to respond in anger..... Why not, I would too if i knew someone was questioning my free ride..........

Make up your mind, you either want someone staying home, being a full time mother and homemaker, or you want a person working full time and some stranger raising your kids, pick one?

Anyway, the two women I know personally who cut their husbands off did it for different reasons. One cut him off because she had sexual problems (stemming from childhood abuse) from the get go and they just got worse after the marriage. Eventually the guy cheated on her and got caught. She cut him off, but they still cared for each other and remained good friends for many years after the divorce. Incidentally, it took the relationship another 7 or so years to finally divorce.

The other woman was in a different situation. She wanted a divorce and when she said that the husband reacted violently and irrationally, threatening suicide, threatening to quit his job, threatening murder, threatening to vanish. He frightened her. The woman was working full time but not making enough to support herself and the child. She cut him off until she could find a job making enough money to support her child after the divorce in case the man did make good on any of his threats. Incidentally, he never did pay a dime of child support.

Incidentally, I actually have not known, personally, any relationship where the couple could afford for the woman to be a full time stay at home mom, not with new vehicles and a large house.

I have to say it seems I hit some sort of nerve somewhere with you, tell me, was it the comment that you have no respect for your wife or the comment about looking into therapy for yourself, or the comment about perhaps she may be skeeved by the very touch of you ... hmmm.

 

[nefertiti]

Go cindy!!!

 

[jackangel]

so many females in this thread, so little name-calling. could we at least toss around a 'whore' or 'cockdock' or something?

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

I hit a nerve with you women..... Cause you all know its a free ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

I hit a nerve with you women..... Cause you all know its a free ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and your getting called on it

LOL

 

[cindylou]

You must really hate your job to resent your wife so much for not working to raise your own damn kids. Seriously its pathetic. You are not much of a man. I mean, really. You are a whiner and complainer and you wont do anything to fix your situation. Not even clean a fucking dish if that might work.

You dont love her, she knows it, and is not going to have sex with you. Why do you expect her to have sex with a man who does not love her?

 

[musclemom]

I hit a nerve with you women..... Cause you all know its a free ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and your getting called on it

LOL

Ummm, no, no it isn't, there's nothing "free" about being a stay at home wife and mother. There's just no tangible compensation. However, here's a little piece I found through Salary.com (a reliable and unbiased site) telling you what a full time mother/homemaker is worth, in today's (well, 2007s) dollars, here's the link if you doubt the veracity:

Mom Salary Wizard® 2007. Mother's Day Paycheck for Mom's Job

What is Your Mom Worth?
Families Can Customize Mom's Job Description and Create a "Mom Paycheck"

Are you wondering what mom should be paid for her work as mom? Salary.com has valuated the "mom job" of both the Working and Stay-at-Home Moms! Based on a survey of more than 18,000 mothers, Salary.com determined that the time mothers spend performing 10 typical job functions would equate to an annual salary of $116,805 for a stay-at-home mom. Working moms ‘at-home’ salary is $68,405 in 2008; this is in addition to the salary they earn in the workplace.

This is from another article http://www.salary.com/aboutus/layou...p?tab=abt&cat=cat012&ser=ser041&part=Par499):

Salary.com found the job titles that best matched a mom's definition of her work to be (in order of hours spent per week): housekeeper, day care center teacher, cook, computer operator, laundry machine operator, janitor, facilities manager, van driver, CEO and psychologist. New job titles that made the list in 2006 include psychologist, laundry machine operator, computer operator, and facilities manager. The job title of nurse fell out of the top 10 this year.

"People recognize that both Stay at Home Moms and Working Moms carry a heavy load of responsibility and work long hours," said Bill Coleman, senior vice president of compensation at Salary.com. "It is an eye-opener for many people when they see the real market value of the work moms perform. This year, by adding information about the compensation for Working Moms, we hope to expand the recognition of just how hard all moms are working and of the economic value they bring to society."

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

Ok maybe you women didnt understand......

I said how come when a man and a women get divorced the man has to pay alamony and child support.

When i said free ride... Its after the divorce not during when shes at home taking care of the kids(and i didnt say this wasnt a job i just said it was easy)

I didnt say I want my wife to go to work.... I didnt say I was going to get a divorce.

Just a simple question?????

I dont know about you Cindy but this isnt Muscle Moms first rodeo.

Muscle Mom when you got divorced the first time how much did your husband have to pay in child support and alamony????

 

[musclemom]

Ok maybe you women didnt understand......

I said how come when a man and a women get divorced the man has to pay alamony and child support.

When i said free ride... Its after the divorce not during when shes at home taking care of the kids(and i didnt say this wasnt a job i just said it was easy)

I didnt say I want my wife to go to work.... I didnt say I was going to get a divorce.

Just a simple question?????

I dont know about you Cindy but this isnt Muscle Moms first rodeo.

Muscle Mom when you got divorced the first time how much did your husband have to pay in child support and alamony????

Nothing. I was not a stay at home mother, I was employed full time when I divorced. I live in a state where alimony is usually only awarded to full time homemakers who have no job skills and absolutely no hopes of making useful income in the immediate future. The courts have been known to order them to get job training and get employment ASAP.

I received no child support from my ex. When he got the papers he called me first threatening, then begging me not to file for it, claiming that he couldn't afford the payments and the mortgage (at the time we still owned the house jointly and my mother was on the mortgage). Oh, and I had a loser lawyer, did I mention that? Anyway, since the payments are supposed to be for the kid, I told him to put the money away in a bank account and give it to the kid when he graduated high school. The amount would have been less than $50 a week, my son was nearly 14 when we divorced.

My ex gave my son a whole $500 when he graduated high school. Even if he had put a lousy $10 a week away he could have given the kid over $2,000.

Yeah, I was a fucking moron, mainly I feel like I fucked my son out of some money because I believed his father had scruples, at least where it came to his son. Honestly, I just wanted to be over with it, and there were mitigating circumstances that I don't feel like going into. Put it this way, the ex thought it was funny to drag his feet and keep running up my legal fees. Basically, it ain't only men who get shafted in divorce. What has always pissed me off the most though is the jewelery he stole from me, pieces I'd actually bought for myself and didn't discover missing until I was done moving, and the photographs. I have a grand total of about 30 photos left from a 10+ year marriage. He won't even loan them to me to copy.

 

[musclemom]

Ok maybe you women didnt understand......

I said how come when a man and a women get divorced the man has to pay alamony and child support.

When i said free ride... Its after the divorce not during when shes at home taking care of the kids(and i didnt say this wasnt a job i just said it was easy)

I didnt say I want my wife to go to work.... I didnt say I was going to get a divorce.

Just a simple question?????

I dont know about you Cindy but this isnt Muscle Moms first rodeo.

Muscle Mom when you got divorced the first time how much did your husband have to pay in child support and alamony????

Oh, one other thing. 99% of the time, in divorce, women's standard of living goes down while the man's goes up (though nowhere near the levels they once did), check this article:

Influential Study on Divorce's Impact Is Said to Be Flawed - New York Times

Dr. Peterson re-evaluated Dr. Weitzman's data and concluded that women have an average 27 percent decline in their standard of living and that men have an average 10 percent increase in their standard of living after divorce.

And about 9% of men experienced a decline in their standard of living. I don't know how that number compares against the overall numbers on the women.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

No offence muscle but it sounds like the ex was a real winner. Glad to hear that you overcame that without cutting your wrists or blowing your head off..... Props to ya.

And for the record I would still spiol my kids the way i do now, there my babies and they get whatever they want. There fucking spoiled.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

OK i just wanna say musclemom that since you have been divorced u obviously dont know what it takes to keep a relationship. Which means you dont know the other persons needs, and that you are selfish. End of story. unless he cheated on you. only excuse

 

[heavy_duty]

Just curious heavy.......

seeing how you spend so much time at home and with the kids, while your wife is at work at least we know who the bread winner is (or you got a job like mine). My wife stays at home thats what she wants to do and i make enough money for her to do that. If she worked it would be different. Ive stayed at home with my kids I know how it is. I would trade working anyday to be a stay at home mom... So fucking easy...... But im not about to be a little bitch. My job is too bring home the money, and her job is too stay at home with the kids. Bottom line she needs to contribute as much as me.


LOL JUST STIRRING UP THE SHIT I want to make this the longest thread ever

Wife and I split the fun of raising the babies. We both have our strengths. I do fun stuff with them and teach them stuff and so does she. To say it is easy to be a stay at home is BS.
Tell me BRO about the arts and crafts and finger painting you do with your kids? The baking of cookies and cakes, reading and singing songs? Tea parties and dress up???

You see son, my wife and I both think the other does such awesome stuff with the girls that the other one does not do so we compliment each other.

BREAD WINNER??? lol My wife went to 3 different universities before she had children...she has a passion for what she does in her career, something she dreamt of doing all her life so I'm not going to take that away from her. Most weeks she works 4 days and still gross $85,000 a year. I set my own hours so when she has to be out of the house at 6:00 am, I feed, dress, fix hair and take kids to school---but she makes the lunches before she goes to work.

we work together as a team to raise the kids...


fuck off I'm already typing way to god damn much LOL
I'm going to go watch my kids sleep and kiss them on the cheek and pray they dont marry jerks.

 

[heavy_duty]

No offence muscle but it sounds like the ex was a real winner. Glad to hear that you overcame that without cutting your wrists or blowing your head off..... Props to ya.

And for the record I would still spiol my kids the way i do now, there my babies and they get whatever they want. There fucking spoiled.

I was over 35 when my first child was born so I was past the "selfish dick" years. Thank god!

BOYS should not be fathers, that is a mans job!

 

[musclemom]

No offence muscle but it sounds like the ex was a real winner. Glad to hear that you overcame that without cutting your wrists or blowing your head off..... Props to ya.

And for the record I would still spiol my kids the way i do now, there my babies and they get whatever they want. There fucking spoiled.

Kill myself over that piece of shit, no fucking way! I'd kill his ass first. I was actually contemplating murdering him. What was holding me back was the fact I'd go to jail and leave my kid an orphan.

As far as what kind of guy my ex is, well, does it tell you anything that one of my son's first goals after he graduated basic training was to kick his father's ass? (which he did, BTW) He still has a relationship with his old man but it's not a close, father/son thing, more like dudes who touch base with each other about every six months or so. My son tells me that the ex is still badmouthing me whenever they talk to each other, even though I haven't spoken/seen my ex in over four years.

After the divorce my ex never spent more than a weekend with his son, ever. Never took him on vacations, never spent a dime on medical, clothes or anything useful (my opinion, he was pissed at the kid for choosing to live with me over him). My current husband and I have a hefty child support payment, but we offered to take the kids for the entire summer, always took them on vacations (okay, so it was camping, it was all we could afford) we still buy them clothes, shoes, school supplies, etc. (my current husband's ex is another piece of work).

Whatever. Look, sorry for the threadjack. My point is, not all women are shallow, materialistic, gold digging users. I didn't want money, I just wanted freedom from a man who had issues.

 

[musclemom]

Wife and I split the fun of raising the babies. We both have our strengths. I do fun stuff with them and teach them stuff and so does she. To say it is easy to be a stay at home is BS.
Tell me BRO about the arts and crafts and finger painting you do with your kids? The baking of cookies and cakes, reading and singing songs? Tea parties and dress up???

You see son, my wife and I both think the other does such awesome stuff with the girls that the other one does not do so we compliment each other.

BREAD WINNER??? lol My wife went to 3 different universities before she had children...she has a passion for what she does in her career, something she dreamt of doing all her life so I'm not going to take that away from her. Most weeks she works 4 days and still gross $85,000 a year. I set my own hours so when she has to be out of the house at 6:00 am, I feed, dress, fix hair and take kids to school---but she makes the lunches before she goes to work.

we work together as a team to raise the kids...


fuck off I'm already typing way to god damn much LOL
I'm going to go watch my kids sleep and kiss them on the cheek and pray they dont marry jerks.

Why the fuck couldn't I have met a guy like you when I wanted to reproduce?!? Truth, you sound a lot like my current husband, a good man with a big heart. Unfortunately, he got a vas. after his second kid so I missed that train *sigh* Would have been nice to have kids with a guy who actually wanted to have kids, to enjoy them, to watch the wonder in their eyes and revel in their smiles instead of thinking they're annoying little pests invading his space and touching his stuff.

Heavy_Duty, you are what defines me as a good man and good father, one who is secure in who he is, one who loves and laughs freely. If more men were like you instead of the ones who feel the need to prove their masculinity at every turn, our children, and hence our world, would be a much better place

 

[musclemom]

OK i just wanna say musclemom that since you have been divorced u obviously dont know what it takes to keep a relationship. Which means you dont know the other persons needs, and that you are selfish. End of story. unless he cheated on you. only excuse

What the hell do you want, you putz? You've been jumping up and down in this thread like the annoying little kid in class dying for the teacher to call on them. Apparently you're under some impression I'm going to rip you up and down and you're going to get into an internet fight with me and turn around and tear me apart. Shit dude, I don't have to say word one to make you a fucking laughing stock, here's everything I know about you from these boards:

1. You are 21.

2. You're getting married in June.

3. Money is tight for you, you don't have a reliable job because you have a felony (in addition to 6 speeding tickets).

4. The main reason, I suspect, you're getting married is that your GF won't fuck you regularly because she's Christian.

5. You're a horny little bastard because you use AAS, whether you can afford it or not.

6. You're a homophobe.

Dude, you're a fucking stereotype and joke. You are trailer trash on the starting blocks. You're going to marry that girl, with no solid plans or prospects, and she's going to start pumping out babies and before you know it your balls will be as blue as Bowhunter’s. But you know something, at least he has a career, he can afford child support. He has a nice home and decent vehicles and realistic fucking goals. His wife may have depression, or hormone imbalance or opioid dependency issues. He can fix his fucking problem if he and his wife would just get on the same page and face it head on.

You, on the other hand, are a fucking dumbass being driving by immediate gratification and unrealistic and amorphous fantasies of greatness. You've pretty solidly fucked up your future already and between steroids and this dumbass idea of marriage you're driving the final nail in the coffin.

Me? Yes, my first marriage, a marriage which took place when I was just shy of turning 19 and my soon to be husband was 21 failed. He wasn't employed either. He didn't have a decent job or decent vehicles or realistic plans, either. He'd been in several run ins with the law and had a lot of dreams and no real way to achieve them (shit, he didn't even have a HS diploma). But I looovveeed him and he painted such a pretty picture of all the wonderful things he could do and we could do together. And you know what? Within one month of being married I got my stupid fucking self pregnant. And he wanted me to keep it and I was headed down the same fucking road you are, too. I stopped myself, and it took me 10 years to get my shit together and make a better life for myself. I fuckin refused to end up living la vida trailer trash. On the other hand, my ex is no better than when I left him (yes, I filed for the divorce, I left him, and he never fucked around on me).

I had two marriages, the first was a spectacular disaster the other, the current one, a glorious success. How many people on C&C have tried to tell you not to make the same fucking mistakes I just outlined above to you? You stupid little shit. Get your fucking life in order, achieve some financial stability, get solid one, five and ten year plans together and stop flouting the law, you dumb fuck. You wanna be married, get your shit together. You can't even take care of yourself and you want to harness your life to another person's?!? Open your fucking EYES and pull your head out of your ass.

As for giving sexual or marital advice, knowing where your dick is and what you can shove it into doesn't automatically grant you expert status. My 24 year old son is more qualified to give marital advice than you are, and HE'D fucking tell you not to get married considering he just got divorced two months ago, guess what, he got married for all the wrong fucking reasons, too (and against my advice, but at least he was in the service).

So sit the fuck down and shut up, Erkle, and while you're at it, go shoot more AAS into your body and keep telling yourself you're making intelligent, rational lifetime decisions, you putz.

 

[BBR100]

What the hell do you want, you putz? You've been jumping up and down in this thread like the annoying little kid in class dying for the teacher to call on them. Apparently you're under some impression I'm going to rip you up and down and you're going to get into an internet fight with me and turn around and tear me apart. Shit dude, I don't have to say word one to make you a fucking laughing stock, here's everything I know about you from these boards:

1. You are 21.

2. You're getting married in June.

3. Money is tight for you, you don't have a reliable job because you have a felony (in addition to 6 speeding tickets).

4. The main reason, I suspect, you're getting married is that your GF won't fuck you regularly because she's Christian.

5. You're a horny little bastard because you use AAS, whether you can afford it or not.

6. You're a homophobe.

Dude, you're a fucking stereotype and joke. You are trailer trash on the starting blocks. You're going to marry that girl, with no solid plans or prospects, and she's going to start pumping out babies and before you know it your balls will be as blue as Bowhunter’s. But you know something, at least he has a career, he can afford child support. He has a nice home and decent vehicles and realistic fucking goals. His wife may have depression, or hormone imbalance or opioid dependency issues. He can fix his fucking problem if he and his wife would just get on the same page and face it head on.

You, on the other hand, are a fucking dumbass being driving by immediate gratification and unrealistic and amorphous fantasies of greatness. You've pretty solidly fucked up your future already and between steroids and this dumbass idea of marriage you're driving the final nail in the coffin.

Me? Yes, my first marriage, a marriage which took place when I was just shy of turning 19 and my soon to be husband was 21 failed. He wasn't employed either. He didn't have a decent job or decent vehicles or realistic plans, either. He'd been in several run ins with the law and had a lot of dreams and no real way to achieve them (shit, he didn't even have a HS diploma). But I looovveeed him and he painted such a pretty picture of all the wonderful things he could do and we could do together. And you know what? Within one month of being married I got my stupid fucking self pregnant. And he wanted me to keep it and I was headed down the same fucking road you are, too. I stopped myself, and it took me 10 years to get my shit together and make a better life for myself. I fuckin refused to end up living la vida trailer trash. On the other hand, my ex is no better than when I left him (yes, I filed for the divorce, I left him, and he never fucked around on me).

I had two marriages, the first was a spectacular disaster the other, the current one, a glorious success. How many people on C&C have tried to tell you not to make the same fucking mistakes I just outlined above to you? You stupid little shit. Get your fucking life in order, achieve some financial stability, get solid one, five and ten year plans together and stop flouting the law, you dumb fuck. You wanna be married, get your shit together. You can't even take care of yourself and you want to harness your life to another person's?!? Open your fucking EYES and pull your head out of your ass.

As for giving sexual or marital advice, knowing where your dick is and what you can shove it into doesn't automatically grant you expert status. My 24 year old son is more qualified to give marital advice than you are, and HE'D fucking tell you not to get married considering he just got divorced two months ago, guess what, he got married for all the wrong fucking reasons, too (and against my advice, but at least he was in the service).

So sit the fuck down and shut up, Erkle, and while you're at it, go shoot more AAS into your body and keep telling yourself you're making intelligent, rational lifetime decisions, you putz.

solid, straight no bullshit advice that he may understand. Prolly won't listen but he'll know it's true.

Props to you and heavy duty

 

[the.gladiator1987]

What the hell do you want, you putz? You've been jumping up and down in this thread like the annoying little kid in class dying for the teacher to call on them. Apparently you're under some impression I'm going to rip you up and down and you're going to get into an internet fight with me and turn around and tear me apart. Shit dude, I don't have to say word one to make you a fucking laughing stock, here's everything I know about you from these boards:

1. You are 21.

2. You're getting married in June.

3. Money is tight for you, you don't have a reliable job because you have a felony (in addition to 6 speeding tickets).

4. The main reason, I suspect, you're getting married is that your GF won't fuck you regularly because she's Christian.

5. You're a horny little bastard because you use AAS, whether you can afford it or not.

6. You're a homophobe.

Dude, you're a fucking stereotype and joke. You are trailer trash on the starting blocks. You're going to marry that girl, with no solid plans or prospects, and she's going to start pumping out babies and before you know it your balls will be as blue as Bowhunter’s. But you know something, at least he has a career, he can afford child support. He has a nice home and decent vehicles and realistic fucking goals. His wife may have depression, or hormone imbalance or opioid dependency issues. He can fix his fucking problem if he and his wife would just get on the same page and face it head on.

You, on the other hand, are a fucking dumbass being driving by immediate gratification and unrealistic and amorphous fantasies of greatness. You've pretty solidly fucked up your future already and between steroids and this dumbass idea of marriage you're driving the final nail in the coffin.

Me? Yes, my first marriage, a marriage which took place when I was just shy of turning 19 and my soon to be husband was 21 failed. He wasn't employed either. He didn't have a decent job or decent vehicles or realistic plans, either. He'd been in several run ins with the law and had a lot of dreams and no real way to achieve them (shit, he didn't even have a HS diploma). But I looovveeed him and he painted such a pretty picture of all the wonderful things he could do and we could do together. And you know what? Within one month of being married I got my stupid fucking self pregnant. And he wanted me to keep it and I was headed down the same fucking road you are, too. I stopped myself, and it took me 10 years to get my shit together and make a better life for myself. I fuckin refused to end up living la vida trailer trash. On the other hand, my ex is no better than when I left him (yes, I filed for the divorce, I left him, and he never fucked around on me).

I had two marriages, the first was a spectacular disaster the other, the current one, a glorious success. How many people on C&C have tried to tell you not to make the same fucking mistakes I just outlined above to you? You stupid little shit. Get your fucking life in order, achieve some financial stability, get solid one, five and ten year plans together and stop flouting the law, you dumb fuck. You wanna be married, get your shit together. You can't even take care of yourself and you want to harness your life to another person's?!? Open your fucking EYES and pull your head out of your ass.

As for giving sexual or marital advice, knowing where your dick is and what you can shove it into doesn't automatically grant you expert status. My 24 year old son is more qualified to give marital advice than you are, and HE'D fucking tell you not to get married considering he just got divorced two months ago, guess what, he got married for all the wrong fucking reasons, too (and against my advice, but at least he was in the service).

So sit the fuck down and shut up, Erkle, and while you're at it, go shoot more AAS into your body and keep telling yourself you're making intelligent, rational lifetime decisions, you putz.

Well thats a very thoughtful response, id love to see what your kid has to say about that. Very good word choices too, maybe try expanding your vocab? At what 60 years old?

And i dont take AAS. Not yet. You little shit

This thread started about him not gettin sex. That is plainly because she is selfish. End of story! No matter how much work she does, she still needs to submit to him. He does not need to respect her, he needs to lover her. SHE needs to respect him. A guy needs respect, a girl needs love.

Im getting married because weve been together for 4 1/2 years, and with God in the picture nothing is going to get us divorced. Unless she cheats on me, but i might actually just forgive her just like God does for us. And financially it will eventually work out. Her mom was living in a car when she was a kid, and now they are very wealthy. God will not let you be living in the dumps your whole life, trust me. Ask and you shall receive. WHatever the unsuccess rate for marriage between teenagers is, im gonna be that % that makes it.

Ever heard of highschool sweethearts, dumbass?

 

[cindylou]

OH my gosh high school sweethearts? lmaolmaolmaolmao. I wouldnt be bragging about that since most of those type marriages NEVER make it.

Gods instruction for husbands is- to love their wives.... oh yeah, like themselves. Must be a problem for men to figure out how to love their wife corretly so God put it in a way that a man could understand....as much as you love yourself. Thats a whole lot isnt it!

Submission is a natural response from a woman when a man loves you in that way.


You are right, she shouldnt withhold sex when he asks for it.

But honestly I'm shocked at the attitude he has towards his wife, calling her a dead fish among other nasty things. What a way to feel about the woman you chose to spend the rest of your life with, AND the woman you chose to have your three kids.

 

[cindylou]

 

[musclemom]

Well thats a very thoughtful response, id love to see what your kid has to say about that. Very good word choices too, maybe try expanding your vocab? At what 60 years old?

And i dont take AAS. Not yet. You little shit

This thread started about him not gettin sex. That is plainly because she is selfish. End of story! No matter how much work she does, she still needs to submit to him. He does not need to respect her, he needs to lover her. SHE needs to respect him. A guy needs respect, a girl needs love.

Im getting married because weve been together for 4 1/2 years, and with God in the picture nothing is going to get us divorced. Unless she cheats on me, but i might actually just forgive her just like God does for us. And financially it will eventually work out. Her mom was living in a car when she was a kid, and now they are very wealthy. God will not let you be living in the dumps your whole life, trust me. Ask and you shall receive. WHatever the unsuccess rate for marriage between teenagers is, im gonna be that % that makes it.

Ever heard of highschool sweethearts, dumbass?

Well, let's break this down:

"id love to see what your kid has to say about that. Very good word choices too, maybe try expanding your vocab? At what 60 years old?" Gosh, in addition to all your outstanding attributes you are a math whiz, as well. I said in the earlier post I was going on 19 when I married the first time and got pregnant one month later. I also said my son is 24. 19 + 24 = 43. Maybe your parents are in their 60s, you sound as petulant as a later life baby who would have been spoiled to the point of being given everything his widdle heart desires. As far as my language goes. Well, you've used worse, in addition to butchering the English language in general. And honestly, that's TAME compared to my son's mouth. He was in the service. He can blister paint with his language.

"God will not let you be living in the dumps your whole life, trust me."Okay, only one thing to say to this: The Gods help those who help themselves, but your God? Uh uh. Remember, He made a really cool bet with the Devil about a particular dude named Job? Your God gets wood from watching people suffer and still come crawling back to him. He's a masochist. Don't get into a religious/spiritual debate with a practicing pagan, you're out of your league, kiddo, trust me. I read religious texts for fun.

"He does not need to respect her, he needs to lover her. SHE needs to respect him." Boys like you make me happy I'm a pagan. We actually believe that successful relationships, both with people and the planet, are based on equality and balance. We revere both a Goddess and God, loving and honoring the divine in each other and that exists all around us.

"WHatever the unsuccess rate for marriage between teenagers is, im gonna be that % that makes it.

Ever heard of highschool sweethearts, dumbass?"The failure rate for marriages that take place in those circumstances is over 90%, so good luck with that. And you, bright boy that you are, are compounding the potential failure exponentially by probably having no strongly marketable job skills, no college, really, no realistic plans (other than doing that prewedding cycle and hitting the gym hard), six unpaid speeding tickets and one felony in your back pocket. Hey, speaking of felony, what'd you do? Cause I have a hard time believing that someone who disrespects the laws of man would respect the laws of any God. Considering most felonies actually are breaking one of the ten commandments, then uh, guess you broke the laws of God there, too, huh?

"And i dont take AAS. Not yet. You little shit"
So what's Dbol, cause it killed your appetite:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/deca-sus-gain-time-639486.html#post8682176

And then there's that "get big for my wedding cycle" you'll be doing:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/supps-while-639968.html#post8686396

While you might not actually be taking steroids RIGHT NOW, at this instant, you've run cycles before, and you're planning on running one in the future. Guess what, planning to do it is nearly the same as actually doing the crime in the eyes of the law and God. Using illegals are breaking the laws of man and the laws of God. Let's be honest here, do you really think using steroids is treating your body like His Temple? Please.

You are a fool and an incredible egoist and narcissist. You need to get over yourself and take a realistically long, hard look at the inevitable path your life is headed down.

 

[heavy_duty]

(1) 21 and on gear? OH brother what a joke.
(2) Who the heck wants to make love to somebody who's NOT into it anyway??? Better off jackin off.
(3) Depression is a serious MOFO thing people. This should be #1 priority in their lives (if he loves her) get that under control!!! It never really goes away.
(4) If you have baby girls every move you make will have an effect on how they chose a husband 20+ years from the day they're born...it is a BIG responsibility. Make sure your girls KNOW and see how much you love their mother. Make sure your sons know and see how much you love and respect their mother! Lets not fuck it up for the next generation.

 

[KD1]

It sounds like you really don't actually give a good goddamn why she isn't screwing you, only about the lack of sex.

Frankly, you sound shallow, petty and selfish. You need to take a good long hard look at yourself, buddy, and really get your priorities straight.

Dont listen to this man hater.

She is trying to make you feel bad for wanting what you deserve, a healthy sex life.

Chicks love to do that crap - make it your fault when they have the problem.

You have two choices, get your wife some help, or get laid somewhere else.

 

[KD1]

I think you stated the problem with item #3 ,the pain killers,opioids over time will have a detromental impact on hormone production wich would greatly decrease sex drive.if she stops completly you should notice a diferance but it will take a few months

No, listen to musclemmom - its HIS fault, it has to be, he is the MAN, lol.

 

[KD1]

OK i just wanna say musclemom that since you have been divorced u obviously dont know what it takes to keep a relationship. Which means you dont know the other persons needs, and that you are selfish. End of story. unless he cheated on you. only excuse

You are so right you dont even know.

She drove 2 guys away screaming, gave up and married some old rich coot she reeled in off sugerdaddy.com!

She is just some drying up trophy wife for some old dude who just wants something pretty on his arm! She has no idea what a relationship is and what it takes to keep one going! She just sits around smiling acting nice, counting the days till the old guy dies and she can do what she wants.

Anyhow, I will get banned for revealing all this, but its probably worth it!

 

[musclemom]

You are so right you dont even know.

She drove 2 guys away screaming, gave up and married some old rich coot she reeled in off sugerdaddy.com!

She is just some drying up trophy wife for some old dude who just wants something pretty on his arm! She has no idea what a relationship is and what it takes to keep one going! She just sits around smiling acting nice, counting the days till the old guy dies and she can do what she wants.

Anyhow, I will get banned for revealing all this, but its probably worth it!

What kind of drugs are you taking, I've been married twice, first one failed by the time I was 30, I'm still very happily married to #2.

I don't hate men, although I will admit I have a bit of a problem with know it all assholes, though

As for Bowhunter, he's dropped out of this thread because he thought it would be more of a shit stirrer than it turned out to be. Actually he PM'd me privately and we had a nice little talk about his problems, he asked for some ideas and he's going to keep me updated and see if some of them work.

I seem to recall you've had problems with me before KD. What's wrong with you, boy, are you a general woman hater or do you just have mother issues?

 

[musclemom]

And where the hell did you get the idea I'm a trophy wife?? Those bitches live well, their hubbies are rolling in it.

My hubby and I are happy, but living paycheck to paycheck these days (shit, less than that, in the next few months).

Anyway, suffice to say, KD, you have issues.

 

[heavy_duty]

Hey Dickweed mm is NOT BM

 

[natecr]

If my man expects me to stay at home and raise his kids...and we divorce? You better believe that I take money and the retirement I never got to contribute to when i was out of the work force. I would never marry a man who demanded a prenup who expected me to raise his kids. That would be foolish. We have to protect ourselves too. You are also forgetting the fact that she has given you the most valueable thing she has...her youth. She has given you the prime time of her life when she has youth and beauty. She risked all that for you! You dont respect ANYTHING she does, and we are supposed to feel sympathy because you bought her a fucking car? No, Im sorry A TRUCK! YOU WANTED THE TRUCK. Give me a break! Take a look in the mirror. You cannot possibly be happy living your life so selfishly. Put others before youself. Put your wife and kids ahead of yourself. You will be happier. I promise if you give that to the relationship you WILL GET IT BACK at least twofold. Put her first and make her feel loved, and she will love you forever. love = sex. To a woman.

This just makes me laugh. You feel that you wont sign a pre nup while raising kids? You think your going to take his retirement SS. whatever else you can get your hands on and bail? Jesus this reminds me of sharon stone on casino!

Hes footing the bill so your ass can eat. so you can wear fucking clothes. so the baby can be fed

where on gods green beautiful earth would you feel like your not making any money. everything you get is for something YOUR NOT WORKING FOR.

Selfish dumb bitches. jesus

 

[natecr]

OH my gosh high school sweethearts? lmaolmaolmaolmao. I wouldnt be bragging about that since most of those type marriages NEVER make it.

Gods instruction for husbands is- to love their wives.... oh yeah, like themselves. Must be a problem for men to figure out how to love their wife corretly so God put it in a way that a man could understand....as much as you love yourself. Thats a whole lot isnt it!

Submission is a natural response from a woman when a man loves you in that way.


You are right, she shouldnt withhold sex when he asks for it.

But honestly I'm shocked at the attitude he has towards his wife, calling her a dead fish among other nasty things. What a way to feel about the woman you chose to spend the rest of your life with, AND the woman you chose to have your three kids.

ding ding ding! yet again this is why you women shouldnt be able to discuss this with us. because from a mans perspective you simply DO not understand. He calls her a dead fish because man to man. its not insulting we know what it means.. Its basically saying here just use my hole and hurry up.

You women will never understand our lingo and you take it straight up the ass because you simply DO not understand.

i cant believe either of you are even giving incite one from a divorced wife.. yeah everyone should definately listen to your stubborn ass

and one whos beef curtains flap like your in chicago.

you dont understand how we interpret things.. how OUR way of degrading is. and you cannot and will not understand

you two give the worst fuckign advice ive ever sat through and read. you think you deserve ss, and retirement for sitting at home?

wtf you think you got nothing the whole time you were there? did you not get maternity clothes? did you not EAT every god damn thing in sight! did you not shop for the baby and did we not let YOU pick out everything. all we do is write the fucking check.

every relationship i have been in i have NOT let a girl think im vulnerable to her saying shell leave.. YOu want to throw that shit at me? Fine ill get over it. and ive FOUND someone whos completely understanding... you two are the worst influences on this sight you make me fucking sick with the shit you say.

 

[heavy_duty]

This just makes me laugh. You feel that you wont sign a pre nup while raising kids? You think your going to take his retirement SS. whatever else you can get your hands on and bail? Jesus this reminds me of sharon stone on casino!

Hes footing the bill so your ass can eat. so you can wear fucking clothes. so the baby can be fed

where on gods green beautiful earth would you feel like your not making any money. everything you get is for something YOUR NOT WORKING FOR.

Selfish dumb bitches. jesus

This is why all women should never rely on a man for their money!
Both should work, both should raise the kids so both can survive if one takes ill, dies or straight up walks out on the family.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Who is to say i wont marry her and be with her forever? Doesnt mean i wont cheat on her, i might. but well probably get over it. Ill try not to because i love her, but that 90% divorce rate is because of selfish people that feel theyre not in love anymore.

Thats why you fall in love with the same girl the rest of your life.

You had a divorce, you shouldnt even be in this convo.

And my God gets wood? What a stupid thing to say. Good way to talk about a God like that, have fun in hell stupid bitch. Good thing about my God is that im saved so even though i sin im still going to heaven. You are going to be in hell, haha.

Men were created with logic, and women with feeling. Why do you think women always talk? Men dont need to talk, they already know it in their head. So why are you here acting like you know everything about a man and saying its all his fault? If a bitch actually did her job which is sex he wouldnt be on this forum. But its fault he didnt talk to her. His fault because shes drained. His fault because he works 10 hours a day and isnt there with the kids. Give me a break.

Could you imagine if women ran the relationshipand not the men? Holy shit, fuck that. Men dont need that. They dont need to be taken care of, women do. Thats why the man is the leader, and the women submit to men. Thats all the OP's wife need sto do is submit to him. He should talk to her i do believe communication is really important. But like she didnt know shes held sex from him in 2 months. Yea right, whata bitch. Women like you and her are selfish bitches

Well, let's break this down:

"id love to see what your kid has to say about that. Very good word choices too, maybe try expanding your vocab? At what 60 years old?" Gosh, in addition to all your outstanding attributes you are a math whiz, as well. I said in the earlier post I was going on 19 when I married the first time and got pregnant one month later. I also said my son is 24. 19 + 24 = 43. Maybe your parents are in their 60s, you sound as petulant as a later life baby who would have been spoiled to the point of being given everything his widdle heart desires. As far as my language goes. Well, you've used worse, in addition to butchering the English language in general. And honestly, that's TAME compared to my son's mouth. He was in the service. He can blister paint with his language.

"God will not let you be living in the dumps your whole life, trust me."Okay, only one thing to say to this: The Gods help those who help themselves, but your God? Uh uh. Remember, He made a really cool bet with the Devil about a particular dude named Job? Your God gets wood from watching people suffer and still come crawling back to him. He's a masochist. Don't get into a religious/spiritual debate with a practicing pagan, you're out of your league, kiddo, trust me. I read religious texts for fun.

"He does not need to respect her, he needs to lover her. SHE needs to respect him." Boys like you make me happy I'm a pagan. We actually believe that successful relationships, both with people and the planet, are based on equality and balance. We revere both a Goddess and God, loving and honoring the divine in each other and that exists all around us.

"WHatever the unsuccess rate for marriage between teenagers is, im gonna be that % that makes it.

Ever heard of highschool sweethearts, dumbass?"The failure rate for marriages that take place in those circumstances is over 90%, so good luck with that. And you, bright boy that you are, are compounding the potential failure exponentially by probably having no strongly marketable job skills, no college, really, no realistic plans (other than doing that prewedding cycle and hitting the gym hard), six unpaid speeding tickets and one felony in your back pocket. Hey, speaking of felony, what'd you do? Cause I have a hard time believing that someone who disrespects the laws of man would respect the laws of any God. Considering most felonies actually are breaking one of the ten commandments, then uh, guess you broke the laws of God there, too, huh?

"And i dont take AAS. Not yet. You little shit"
So what's Dbol, cause it killed your appetite:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/deca-sus-gain-time-639486.html#post8682176

And then there's that "get big for my wedding cycle" you'll be doing:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/supps-while-639968.html#post8686396

While you might not actually be taking steroids RIGHT NOW, at this instant, you've run cycles before, and you're planning on running one in the future. Guess what, planning to do it is nearly the same as actually doing the crime in the eyes of the law and God. Using illegals are breaking the laws of man and the laws of God. Let's be honest here, do you really think using steroids is treating your body like His Temple? Please.

You are a fool and an incredible egoist and narcissist. You need to get over yourself and take a realistically long, hard look at the inevitable path your life is headed down.

 

[pip88]

Ok. This thread is getting clearly out of hand. We need to maintain respect while having any forms of debates and disagreements.

 

[heavy_duty]

my god got wood at least 1x

 

[DJ_UFO]

The stupid discussion in this thread is exactly the reason why marriage don't work anymore, and why people get divorced. Keeping the discussion and the fight leads to very bad situations. A smart man analyzes, observes, plans and make a strong definitive decision. Never expect the lady to take the initiative and make a decision because based on emotions, it will not be fair for both. A man, using reason, can take a decision based on the best for both. Problems must be communicated, spoken, treated, but there is a point where you're heard or read enough.

 

[DJ_UFO]

And I forgot to add one thing. Sex, is non-negotiable. No man in this world can live without sex. You see what happened with those priests who forced themselves to not have sex, after 15-20 years they are raping kids. SEX IS IMPERATIVE. Sex should be included in every marriage application as a non-negotiable obligation of both parties.

 

[heavy_duty]

You guys want to fuck a broad who's not into it?
that's wack.
ok when you're 16 but when you grow up it aint much fun.