Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

All Vets... Add Comments

tiggerizme

tiggerizme

Banned
Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??
 
I just got on a couple days ago. I didnt see the newbie read first sticky. I just read it so I apoligize for my mistakes. My rebellious days ended in my early teens. Im not really one to break the rules on purpose. :) :)
 
Last edited:
Same questions asked over and over. If i see one more thread started about can I drink my winny? Or how can i run these 125 dbol tabs, ill scratch my eyes out..
 
You dont have to apologize bro, it should be made more aware in the beginning. We should have mods that require you to read it before posting. I am no knocking our mods, they do what they can but look at the population and the amount of threads coming across.

I am simply suggesting warnings, more mods, more deletions and relocating of threads. It can happen if the right people hear the concerns.
 
Any advice is welcome. The security and redundancy of this board seems to be lacking the necessary attention it needs.
 
tiggerizme said:
Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??
Click to expand...

I think a couple more Mods wouldn't hurt in this forum. This forum has been more busy the the C&C for quite some time now. But as far as more Stickys, it's a waste of time. 3 out of 100 newbies will take the time to read them. Some peeps are so desperate to find a source, they ignore the rules on purpose and solicate.
 
Maybe make Mr. X's newbs read first sticky in bright red text so it stands out. I just scrolled right through it and into the posts when i first came on.
 
There will be more mods in due time, the redundant threads are a product of kids hearing so much about AAS in the media and thinking it is the cure all for all there woes that is simply not the case.

I dont agree with what happened with Radar but he was a great help around here, with him gone someone has to pick up the slack besides X

this place is not about the huge guys and there complex cycles it is about the new guys looking for a head start so the first cylce threads will NEVER stop.
 
It should be part of the sign on process. You should receive all of your rules at the beginning. You should get all of the warning and be told who the Mods are. Told what to look out for.. It should be forced not just made available.

I sincerely think the number of ridiculous posts, as stated above, and redundant questions can be hadled if there were more mods to address the situation..
 
tiggerizme said:
It should be part of the sign on process. You should receive all of your rules at the beginning. You should get all of the warning and be told who the Mods are. Told what to look out for.. It should be forced not just made available.

I sincerely think the number of ridiculous posts, as stated above, and redundant questions can be hadled if there were more mods to address the situation..
Click to expand...

it would help if it weren't one of those " read the rules before entering"
then : click here if your have read all the rules..
99% of the ppl will completely skip those rules. we gotta think of something.
 
Trick them then put up a sticky that says something like " read this bulletin to maximize your board enjoyment" or some shit like that.
 
It shouldn't be any trickery just basic board security. I agree with Diesel above, Mr X can't run this entire board alone. There needs to be a back up contingency. If you want me to be a part of the Board Recommendation Coucil or whatever it is called just ask..
 
The only way to stop it is to have a rules that you have to read before you can post and then a quiz that you have to take and pass showing you read the rules.

Seriously though, I've been here 6 years. It's ALWAYS been like this. ALWAYS. And it's never going to change. In fact, it will likely get worse. The internet has people getting used to an immediate answer to their questions and then they blow. Especially now with all the "support" discussion boards. "Hey I got a 293hrx and I can't get it sync with my palm. Anyone else have this problems" The 5 guys answer them and they never see that board again. People don't get that this is a community with rules. And just like any other community people have to get to know you before they're going to help you. Especially with a source. Except the scammers of course, they are a newbie's best buddy.

I love this statement:

They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all.

This is so true. Before Karma you could pick someone out as knowledgeable by the time here and the number of posts they had. Then came the Chat board where you could run up your post count into the thousands in a couple months by posting "yeah that sucks" 3000 times. So post counts were no good anymore as an indicator of knowledge. Then the Karma came and it looked like a pretty good idea. You give it to someone for a good answer. So you know who gives good answers because they have lots of Karma. Now you can buy it, win it, trade it, whore for it, and even get Karma just for saying, "yeah that sucks". So we're back at square one.
 
Let me ask you this then Ulter. My number one suggestion was that there needs to be more mods to take up that slack. Do you agree with that statement?
 
DieselGunz said:
Ulter is the man u want to listen to deff one of the members that will not point u in the wrong direction
Click to expand...

I wasn't trying to be rude to him... I just wanted a little insight on his opinion of my recommendation.
 
I do and I don't.
New mods are great but... Not to be a snob or anything but there just aren't any qualified members here to be a mod. All the great ones like zyg, mustang, quad just don't post enough. So you've got AAP, Macro, X and me (I'm not a mod) and couple others trying to cover an awful lot of ground. Honestly, there are some great guys here and some are very smart, but I can't think of 3 guys I would make mods. Not that that is up to me.

We've seen what happens when you make someone a mod that doesn't know enough several times in the last 5 years so George has gotten pretty picky for good reason.
 
Point very well taken Ulter and it seems as if your concerns are in the best interest of this Board which are of course great. What is George's outcome for resoloution? I understand the concern of incorrect Mods but do agree that proper recruiting is a must as well. Who would be in charge of this?
 
I guess that's what it boils down to then. A suggestion that will never be entertained because of the Board Owner's Decisions, or lack there of..

Is this a common concern??
 
Well I don't want it to come across as a complaint just as a concern. I see the need for it and I am one to speak my mind anywhere at any time. I like this Board and I see the potential it contains. I think it could be taken more seriously with some minor modifications and I think the first one would be in that specific area.
 
Ulter said:
And just like any other community people have to get to know you before they're going to help you. Especially with a source. Except the scammers of course, they are a newbie's best buddy.
Click to expand...

hey bro,
i think the problem is that people dont bother to do the research, because even if they do ask stupid questions. those questions are answered... maybe if you guys dont answer the questions, it would force newbies to actually do the research.

steroids can truly transform ones body, and so it gets people excited. people just want a source, and they want it fast. you cant blame em...

also, i havent been here to long, but i know its hard to get a source. i understand that its because of safety and trust issues... but because of this, when a scammer contacts a new member, the members get extremely excited since no one else was willing to help out. ive been aproached by more than 5 people offering to "help out." and when i asked the mods for feedback/source check, non replied. this is why so many newbies get ripped off. do they deserve it? yes, because they should be smarter AND no, because they could have been helped...

let me finish this, by thanking this website. like i said on my first post, im glad im a member of this site. and i hope to learn as much as possible, maybe one day i can help others like ive been helped. thanx.

vic
 
The board needs more Security for this exact reason. If there were people employed by the Board to check into that exact situation then it can be combated on some level. As far as I cam concerned at this particular point in time is that the members know it is going on but no one has stepped up to do anything about it.

This is where we all cheer and go on strike. LOL.. Just kidding. Security is a must in an environment such as this. If we knew our security was protected a little more then maybe this envrionment would be a little more serious about it's actions.

What say you?
 
ItalianMuscle27 said:
Same questions asked over and over. If i see one more thread started about can I drink my winny? Or how can i run these 125 dbol tabs, ill scratch my eyes out..
Click to expand...


I feel your pain bro. It feels like my eyes are gonna bleed sometimes when I see the threads posted on here.

But oh well... all we can do is sift through the garbage, try to help as many people out as possible while obtaining as much usefull information for ourselves that we can. :coffee:
 
I am still waiting for a response from George in this matter. His opinion or resoloution would be greatly appreciated right about now.
 
Great thread, Tigger...
There are plenty of issues with any board, others that I have seen are no different. It's very difficult for the folks that are on here alot to deal with the "iam 5'10" and i work out what is a good cycle of searioiods 4 me" posts. It causes an inhospitable, jaded reaction eventually from people. Mr. X deals quite well with it, and is probably the most patient person I've ever encountered- I would've hung up my keyboard after respoding to the 10,000th "Can I drink Winny" post.
But there needs to be some duty sharing in this forum, perhaps. It seems unfair that X must sift through numerous stupid threads in an effort to help people (many who are legit and really deserve assistance). Perhaps some "second tier" mods with some limited powers or correction and deletion? Like Itlnstln is certainly capable of deleting stupid threads, or Ulter, or Mac or even Tigger. We all know they have the abilities and judgement, they just need the capability. What say you?
 
I agree with you sincerely Guiltie. The duty needs to be shared. The population of this forum is too overwhelming for good people Like Ulter and X. They try hard and they have my props for that but something needs to be done. A simple judgement call by the existing Mods and George would go a long way with this concern I am sure.

I have forwarded this link to X last night and am still eagerly awaiting his response as well. You see Ulter above stating that it is a legitimate concern. Let's see what X says and I bet you it's along the same lines.

What say you X???
 
I agree...but unfortunatly getting more mods, wont help with the repetitive questions..in fact it will only bump up post like "who deleted my thread" or "where is my thread i posted about drinking winny"...newbies are newbies, yes we will get the same questions everyday...its the nature of the beast and has been since this or any board was put up...as far as mods, i think that whoever is made a mod needs to be compared to Mr.X, Quadsweep, Radar. Meaning they need to know their shit and have their time IN. You just cant have some "little guy" patrolling the board with his "hall monitor patch" and expect respect...look what happend to the "previous" Mod.
 
This is very true, that is why I spoke of the recruiting techniques above as well. Having more mods won't eliminate the redundant questions no but it will sure allow for more eyes to view, delete, move and warn people. There are no consequeces on this board. Hell there aren't even enough mods to warn everyone who makes mistakes.

Also, to Swordfish. Mods don't have to know everything about AAS. This is what seasoned Vets are for, not MODS. They should be appointed as Board Security, not Information Gathering. This is where a Ranking system would play a great role. We all know the Karma thing is bullshit as well as the posts. No one knows who to go to. MODS should be looking out for the best interest in the Board and it's members not worried about what information they can provide. This my friend is would be an extra if you could find them that actually do know their shit. But for all itents and purposes I am speaking of BOARD SECURITY and WELL BEING.

Hope I'm not rambling.
 
swordfish151 said:
I agree...but unfortunatly getting more mods, wont help with the repetitive questions..in fact it will only bump up post like "who deleted my thread" or "where is my thread i posted about drinking winny"...newbies are newbies, yes we will get the same questions everyday...its the nature of the beast and has been since this or any board was put up...as far as mods, i think that whoever is made a mod needs to be compared to Mr.X, Quadsweep, Radar. Meaning they need to know their shit and have their time IN. You just cant have some "little guy" patrolling the board with his "hall monitor patch" and expect respect...look what happend to the "previous" Mod.
Click to expand...


well said :coffee:
 
Hey there bigguns, are you saying that my concern should be overlooked? It seems to me that even though the site has been running for years time evolves bro and so does the websites. I am not knocking the way he runs his site there bigguy so step off of that. I am making a suggestion, a considerate suggestion that it seems other people are having troubles with too, including the mods. If your fine and dandy being another average poster and civilian by all means do so but please dont get in the way of people who have high expectations for a ever evolving community.

FYI: what I meant by overlooked was that I don't have more comments.
 
I just notice that you keep tirelessly bumping and bumping this thread...GS doesnt read every post, so if you want his attention, you are going to have to put his name in the title, not just keep bumping and bumping a thread because you arnt getting the response that YOU WANT..

just my .02

and im not mad at ya, just making an observation....

BGI
 
A lot of variable depend on what is considered a "vet" or MOD material. Should it be # of posts?, Should it be Karma? Should it be length of time as a registered user? Should they be Plat?

What my opinion of good mod criteria may not match up to what everyone else thinks.
Mr.X does a top notch job and so does Macro...Quad is a dang good bro, he has just not had much time lately...but he is coming back nicely...ANYWAY,
I do agree that there should be more mods, but I also believe that there should be an Automatic PM notification of a thread deletion to the thread starter..It could be a generic format whereas the mod would have to type in who moved it and a brief reason...That may eliminate some of the
What happened to my thread" Posts.
Just my $2 worth (inflation)
 
Extremely good $2 I might add. This again would could down on the "Where did my thread go" questions. I agree with you who heartedly. So let me ask you this. How do I get George's attention to this if I can't change the title of the thread. Bigguns raised a good question.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
tiggerizme said:
This is very true, that is why I spoke of the recruiting techniques above as well. Having more mods won't eliminate the redundant questions no but it will sure allow for more eyes to view, delete, move and warn people. There are no consequeces on this board. Hell there aren't even enough mods to warn everyone who makes mistakes.

Also, to Swordfish. Mods don't have to know everything about AAS. This is what seasoned Vets are for, not MODS. They should be appointed as Board Security, not Information Gathering. This is where a Ranking system would play a great role. We all know the Karma thing is bullshit as well as the posts. No one knows who to go to. MODS should be looking out for the best interest in the Board and it's members not worried about what information they can provide. This my friend is would be an extra if you could find them that actually do know their shit. But for all itents and purposes I am speaking of BOARD SECURITY and WELL BEING.




Hope I'm not rambling.
Click to expand...


I see your point now - well put
 
Ulter said:
The only way to stop it is to have a rules that you have to read before you can post and then a quiz that you have to take and pass showing you read the rules.

Seriously though, I've been here 6 years. It's ALWAYS been like this. ALWAYS. And it's never going to change. In fact, it will likely get worse. The internet has people getting used to an immediate answer to their questions and then they blow. Especially now with all the "support" discussion boards. "Hey I got a 293hrx and I can't get it sync with my palm. Anyone else have this problems" The 5 guys answer them and they never see that board again. People don't get that this is a community with rules. And just like any other community people have to get to know you before they're going to help you. Especially with a source. Except the scammers of course, they are a newbie's best buddy.

I love this statement:

They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all.

This is so true. Before Karma you could pick someone out as knowledgeable by the time here and the number of posts they had. Then came the Chat board where you could run up your post count into the thousands in a couple months by posting "yeah that sucks" 3000 times. So post counts were no good anymore as an indicator of knowledge. Then the Karma came and it looked like a pretty good idea. You give it to someone for a good answer. So you know who gives good answers because they have lots of Karma. Now you can buy it, win it, trade it, whore for it, and even get Karma just for saying, "yeah that sucks". So we're back at square one.
Click to expand...

Agreed i have been here 5 years and see it the same way

Wrongun!
 
Its a fine line getting the right calibre and number of Mods. So many sites are over flowing with Mods. So many sites have ego mad Mods.

Its not easy and sure George will discuss with his staff and recruit when he feels the time is right.

It was not that long ago he put some polls up to recruit new Mods. Just a shame some have left recently

Good thread though and better than the usual i want to be Mod ones as this is constructuve K to you

Wrongun!
 
Thank you Wrongun. I sincerley hope that this is viewed by all as constructive vice complaining. I know it's impossible to guartantee Board Security but man would it be nice to have a little more to protect us.

I am not talking about the Hall Monitor or Natzi type policeman running around being dicks to someone or even the ones who can get you the "Hookup". The quality of the Mod is definitely a must along with the quantity. Recruiting is a effort that should get passed down when companies grow. You can't run the world by yourself. You need Manager and supervisors and team leader and so forth. A rank structure per se.

Mods should be the first line of defense against scammers, redundant posts, ridiculous questions, flamers and people who all out disobey the rules set forth. It's a community of a lot of people here and the security should be tightened up to protect that.

Just a thought.
 
tiggerizme said:
Thank you Wrongun. I sincerley hope that this is viewed by all as constructive vice complaining. I know it's impossible to guartantee Board Security but man would it be nice to have a little more to protect us.

I am not talking about the Hall Monitor or Natzi type policeman running around being dicks to someone or even the ones who can get you the "Hookup". The quality of the Mod is definitely a must along with the quantity. Recruiting is a effort that should get passed down when companies grow. You can't run the world by yourself. You need Manager and supervisors and team leader and so forth. A rank structure per se.

Mods should be the first line of defense against scammers, redundant posts, ridiculous questions, flamers and people who all out disobey the rules set forth. It's a community of a lot of people here and the security should be tightened up to protect that.

Just a thought.
Click to expand...

Your intentions are great, and your proposed policy could definitely work.
There are "def." a few Bro's around here who could handle a position like that.
 
Hey Itln, do you think it is necessary? I guess that's the question that really should be answered. I feel that it is but there might be different opinions out there. I think security is a must when dealing with a topic of this stature.
 
Tiggerizme, good post bro. It addresses a real need. I understand where ur coming from about mods just looking out for the process of the site and not having to know everything about AAS. However, I don't exactly agree with it.
This particular forum pertains to the use of subtances that can be VERY dangerous if u don't use them correctly. Yes, the vets are here to help, but many people (especially the newbies) turn to mods for advise. The reason is simple, they're thinking, if they're a mod on a steroid forum then they must know what they're talking about. I'm not saying that the mod would intentionally give incorrect info, but it's very possible for them to unknowingly give bad info.

Bottom line, we need more mods, but this particular forum is too important and complex to let someone who just has a good amount of spare time on their hands be responsible for it.




tiggerizme said:
This is very true, that is why I spoke of the recruiting techniques above as well. Having more mods won't eliminate the redundant questions no but it will sure allow for more eyes to view, delete, move and warn people. There are no consequeces on this board. Hell there aren't even enough mods to warn everyone who makes mistakes.

Also, to Swordfish. Mods don't have to know everything about AAS. This is what seasoned Vets are for, not MODS. They should be appointed as Board Security, not Information Gathering. This is where a Ranking system would play a great role. We all know the Karma thing is bullshit as well as the posts. No one knows who to go to. MODS should be looking out for the best interest in the Board and it's members not worried about what information they can provide. This my friend is would be an extra if you could find them that actually do know their shit. But for all itents and purposes I am speaking of BOARD SECURITY and WELL BEING.

Hope I'm not rambling.
Click to expand...
 
Let me say that i dont disagree with you tigger, and you do make some good points! I think that when it comes to a mod, the powers that be will put forward someone when they agree on someone who is "up to the task"


you could also maybe PM George, and point this thread out to him.. Give him a heads up to check it out and tell him the title and where it is.

That might help

BGI
 
Again, that's one of the concerns that I have about rank structure. I am not saying we need MoDs to run around being dickheads. If we have the rank structure, rules set in place that were forced upon new people then they would know who to go to in the beginning. If this is the case as you have stated then you could benefit from two different Types of Mods. Board Security Mods and Information Mods. There you go. Problem solved.

The main thing is that the newbies don't know where to go right now so what would be the difference? Hell most of em don't even know what a Sticky is. Once just signed on a few minutes ago and what do you think his first post was??? I'll give you three guesses but you'll only need one. That's my concern.
 
Ulter said:
The only way to stop it is to have a rules that you have to read before you can post and then a quiz that you have to take and pass showing you read the rules.

Seriously though, I've been here 6 years. It's ALWAYS been like this. ALWAYS. And it's never going to change. In fact, it will likely get worse. The internet has people getting used to an immediate answer to their questions and then they blow. Especially now with all the "support" discussion boards. "Hey I got a 293hrx and I can't get it sync with my palm. Anyone else have this problems" The 5 guys answer them and they never see that board again. People don't get that this is a community with rules. And just like any other community people have to get to know you before they're going to help you. Especially with a source. Except the scammers of course, they are a newbie's best buddy.

I love this statement:

They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all.

This is so true. Before Karma you could pick someone out as knowledgeable by the time here and the number of posts they had. Then came the Chat board where you could run up your post count into the thousands in a couple months by posting "yeah that sucks" 3000 times. So post counts were no good anymore as an indicator of knowledge. Then the Karma came and it looked like a pretty good idea. You give it to someone for a good answer. So you know who gives good answers because they have lots of Karma. Now you can buy it, win it, trade it, whore for it, and even get Karma just for saying, "yeah that sucks". So we're back at square one.
Click to expand...



Could not have said it better
RADAR
 
Thanks for the input guys. I'll see if I can get to a pm for George to invite him on over to the topic. I am not letting this down until an answer is presented from the man himself so you all can count on that.
 
No way to get anything directly to him but I am sure that he will come around to it. Hopefully, somehow we can keep it bumped so that more people will comment. We'll see though.
 
Thanks swolk. It sucks because when this gets bumped it's get ran through to page 2 by all the damn c&c posts. It's almost like this is more of a chat board than anything else. Wish the two could be separated.

Hmmmm..
 
^^^^^ for my good friend
 
I dont know everything about AAS and i dont act like I do but I like helping and making a differance, I was once a guy who knew nothing about AAS and a few quality members took the time to help me and show me the ropes and i am forever grateful.

IF the mod position was as explained by Tigger I would be honored to take the position. I conduct myself with the reader in mind if anyone knows me knows I try to help when I can and that will not change anytime soon.

I want to help the people like me around here, no BS
 
DieselGunz said:
I dont know everything about AAS and i dont act like I do but I like helping and making a differance, I was once a guy who knew nothing about AAS and a few quality members took the time to help me and show me the ropes and i am forever grateful.

IF the mod position was as explained by Tigger I would be honored to take the position. I conduct myself with the reader in mind if anyone knows me knows I try to help when I can and that will not change anytime soon.

I want to help the people like me around here, no BS
Click to expand...
you do a grate job bro.you got a cool adatude to.
 
tiggerizme said:
Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??
Click to expand...

You make a very valid argument.

There are some things to consider. Over the years I've been here, EF has tried a lot of different approaches to the newbie problem. We tried TOS, stickies and even PMing newbies with the rules, but it did not change a thing. With 100,000+ members and 5,000,000 posts + , you will have newbies coming in and posting everything from source questions to "I'm 30% bodyfat, using wienstol to lose bodyfat, how much do I use?". These things are common on almost every steroid forum out there, not just EF. The truth is that when the target market is steroid newbies, these issues will come up no matter what you do. Short of giving everyone an IQ test and quizzing them on the rules (as Ulter pointed out), you are not going to find any easy solutions.

Personally, I spend considerable time on the forums here because I enjoy helping members. I don’t want to see even 1 newbie go thru what I went thru when I started. As most of you probably heard, many years ago, when I started bodybuilding and steroids, the internet was not around. The advice I got was from “Mr. Lat spread” at the gym; it was so horrible that after my first cycle, I had gyno, high BP, loss of almost all my gains and, to top it off, I had a great “deca” bridge lol! Yes, the big, buff guy with barely any hair on his head and a Frankenstein jaw, suggested I use Deca to “bridge” between cycles and keep my joints ‘moist’ (that’s almost word for word). Now do we want to see newbies get this type of advice from the gym? Or do we want them to come on here and ask newbie questions, but get a real answer with explanations? When newbies come to EF, they have the steroid forum, the wealth of 5,000,000 + posts and a collection of top notch Ebooks EF sells:
https://www.elitefitness.com/amember/
Under: E-Books & Reports


In terms of moderation of the steroid forum, we don’t need new mods. at this point. We have some good mods. and vets here that take care of the steroid forum well. The new mod. selection rules are also changing; I think GS and BRR are going to be a lot more strict with who’s brought on board. If anything, I would like to see more chairman members join our team.

I wont address the source issue because I believe mods. shouldn’t do source checks or even source suggestions. It’s just plain bad for the mod. if the source goes sour, the mod. gets tangled in the web of problems that creates. IMO, sources are too “open” these days. I remember just 5 years ago, you had to be a vet and have reference before you could even get anyone to refer you; now you go to any open source board and BAM! sources are posting lists in the open! Or sources who have websites up? Talk about drawing the DEA’s attention to them.
 
Your point is well taken Mr X however my concern is not neccesarily the source questions. It's the redundancy, the flaming, the scamming and the lack of mandatory rule reading before posting. By all means I love this community as much as the next guy, otherwise I wouldn't be stressing this concern at the level I am currently. I am sure things have been tried, some work and some don't but I don't think for a second that just because one didn't work that everyone should just lay down and overlook it. It seems to me almost that there is a lack of structure in police and members. The layered effect of, basically put, Supervisors, Mgr, Operation Mgrs, Executives etc of course in a Board Genre. I have suggested above the difference in Mods. Informative ones and Security ones. With a population this size Security should be announced and Mandated.

I agree that we need to inform newbies of the correct information. First and foremost though how do they know who to go to? I have spoken of the Karma crap above as well. This is a false sense of security for new people. Don't get me wrong, Karma is fun, it adds a little humor to the Board which I beleive in. Sources posting in the open is not tolerated here but my question is. If a source did post a price list in a new topic how long would it sit out there until it was removed, what consequences would he /she endure? This is where security concerns are brought to mind.

There are a number of people here that understand my concern, they may not agree or maybe they do and don't want to voice it however it remains the same. I think you also are agreeing to the suggestive idea just not in so many words. COTB members, what can they do to assist besides what we as regular or Platinum members do. We see something that could put someone at risk and we email a mod a link to have it deleted/moved. I pmed Ulter yesterday and asked him to lock my own thread. He couldn't even do it, so I guess what I am saying is what contribution do COTB give to my concern, SECURITY???

Mods are the first line of defense agains all flames, scams or source questions I am assuming. This is Security. People who should be doing research on members to see if they have been Banned from other sites. Alias name checks, references etc. Afterall if a person gets banned on another website for scamming are they allowed to post on EF?? Of course they are because no one knows they were banned. This leaves our members open to security risks. Everyone knows that if you google any AAS question EF appears immediately. We already have the biggest gate for people to come through there should be some sort of security to prevent known security risks from entering our world.

Again I must explain that these are not complaint, simply suggestions to better our community. I'm not posting a thread explaining that I WANT TO BE FUTURE MOD.. This isn't the point at all. I am simply using the known security measures as a reference tool. In this case Mods specifically. Would you agree that there is a Security concern amongst our people? Of course you would as would probably all members. Would you also agree that our rules and regulation are not mandated for all new comers to view. Of course. Would you also agree that there is not enough security in our community to prevent the loses I have explained? Prevention is a strong word to be using. Maybe I should be using Intervention instead. We all know you well Mr X. We all agree that you make this a better place. You help others in need wether they are new or old. This we appreciate. Please don't disgard my concern with such tenure when speaking of a Secure environment for our members.

Our community is at my best interest and although I am fairly new as well I see ways to make it better. I voice the suggestive ideas as a way to give back. I know the world is revolved around money and advertisements, this will never go away. I am not asking that all ridiculous questions be halted as Ulter had commented on earlier, I am simply asking that a better security system be set in place to protect our members and more security Mods would be a first step. This is worth it even if we help one person from being scammed or run into legal matters. Afterall this board is here to help everyone, let's uphold that image and exhaust more measures to protect them.
 
My experience is that the 'cleaner' you want the board, the more editors' eyes need to look at it. Silly kids will always post their silly questions. We all know and accept that by virtue of the fact that this is a public board. Having a public access board with free admission means there is no "piker weeding" at the first tier. Even if it cost a 1$ to start posting here, it would eliminate a portion of the stupidity.

I'm not complaining; it's not like things are terrible or out of hand at all, there's just always room for improvement.

The discussion seems to have polarized into "we have enough mods, leave it alone" and "we need more mods, things are wacky and need more supervision". I would say that a regimented heirarchy of mods with varying levels of power would seem appropriate to flesh out the staff.

Perhaps there just needs to be an initiative by members to self-police the board- i.e. report stupidity right away to the duty mod and prevent annoyances forthwith. Of course, the general population is the most powerful and all-seeing force, as we are literally everywhere at once. I would call that approach phase 1, and give it a try, see if it cleans things up a bit.
Phase 2 would involve some additions to the mod staff.
Phase 3 would most likely incorporate Steelmass driving to noobs' houses and beating them with a stick when they make stupid posts. Make sense to anyone?
 
I appreciate your response quiltie and I to agree with your steps for a better community. Its always appreciative to find members who are willing to contribute to a better society if even if it does take a few extra minutes out of our time. I for one am willing to take these steps to avoid future structural downfall. The advise offered in this thread should be taken seriously by the Management staff and I am assured that it will.

Again all comments regarding this matter are helpful and appreciated. It is nice to know that I am not the only member who is concerned for the well-being of our organization.
 
I've been around for 1 1/2 years and have noticed a distinct increase in the # of BS questions. The newbie questions I don't mind, but advice being given by 17-year olds who have done 1-2 cycles is getting a bit dangerous. As a professional trying manage time between work, family, and training, anything that could be done to eliminate the time waste shifting through the horseplay and sophmoric antics would be well-appreciated.
 
Mr X makes some valid points and if you look around there are not many people who have even been here more than 2 years.

Bottom line GS has been running a sucessfull site for some years and he has his own Mod crietria which he will use as and when he feels the time is right.

We could all help if yuou see a post that is just wrong then report it usingthe button. Not sure where the message goes but it all helps Mod the site

Wrongun!
 
Wrongun said:
Mr X makes some valid points and if you look around there are not many people who have even been here more than 2 years.

Bottom line GS has been running a sucessfull site for some years and he has his own Mod crietria which he will use as and when he feels the time is right.

We could all help if yuou see a post that is just wrong then report it usingthe button. Not sure where the message goes but it all helps Mod the site

Wrongun!
Click to expand...

I think that's the definitive solution......

Good call.........Wronggun

put this puppy to bed.
 
Many valid points brought on by many ppl. Great ideas and suggestions as well. I am still wondering if George will come out and play.
 
tiggerizme said:
Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??
Click to expand...

Thank god you said it and not me. I was just thinking to myself how I keep giving the same answers to the same questions over and over again. Frankly, its getting rather annoying. I know the whole newbie thing about not reading the stickies will never take off, but for gods sake people. Take advantage of the search engine.

Oh, and one more note. Some of these new guys instead of offering helpful advice are saying stupid and pointless shit that some guy just might take as advice and follow. Keep your pie hole closed if you don't have anything constructive to say, whether its criticism or not.

More mods wouldn't be that bad of an idea.
 
i am what i am said:
Thank god you said it and not me. I was just thinking to myself how I keep giving the same answers to the same questions over and over again. Frankly, its getting rather annoying. I know the whole newbie thing about not reading the stickies will never take off, but for gods sake people. Take advantage of the search engine.

Oh, and one more note. Some of these new guys instead of offering helpful advice are saying stupid and pointless shit that some guy just might take as advice and follow. Keep your pie hole closed if you don't have anything constructive to say, whether its criticism or not.

More mods wouldn't be that bad of an idea.
Click to expand...


you always this happy...and my pie hole is open :rainbow:
 
neverenuf said:
you always this happy...and my pie hole is open :rainbow:
Click to expand...


Well, tell your boyfriend to stop shoving dildo's up there. :rainbow: It is amusing to listen to those adult diapers crackle when you waddle to and from the weight rack. :rainbow: How is your pie hole healing? :rainbow:
 
You can only have so many mods on a board. Most people don't realize that it's a tough job being a mod. There's a lot of behind the scenes work that's done. With that said if you can find more quality people that have the time to do it, then it's a good idea. You're still not going to eliminate the thousands of reposts about "can I drink winny", but it will help. I agree with Ulter's post on the first page. We're back to square one.

All boards hit a peak where it's great. There are a lot of intelligent bros and lots of good discussions, not arguments. Then word gets out and a bunch of 16 year olds jump on and start talking shit, etc. Then the good bros leave and all you have is a bunch of kids arguing about the best "stack" for spring break. That's what happened to the bolex board years ago. about 6-7 years ago that board was the bomb. I hardly posted because I was too busy reading and learning. Now it's just another board where kids just talk shit. It's sad, but that's the way it goes.
 
I'm beginning to look FORWARD to MAC's daily Sesa/Gluc/Cardio/Karin/AF/YES/OXY Bumps...............................
 
I've been out of town for a few days and it seems as if my thread has dropped off the planet here. So, now that I am back it goes right back to the top because I am still waiting for a response from George Spellwin. It's amazing that all the mods know about this thread and a few COTB but still Mr Spellwin does not respond..
 
tiggerizme said:
Here's a great idea... There should be more Mods on this board to give warnings and enforce rules. There should be more sticky's pinned for new peeps to view.. There are so many threads being started that you can't even view one without the next three popping up with questions that are the exact same.

People are complaining about being scammed because they come on this forum and immediately think that the members are going to hand out a gold card with Sources posted all over it. They go to people with lots of Karma thinking that means they have been here longer or know more about AAS which is not true at all. They confide in the wrong people and open doors that can do them harm. I am not complaining about the Board this is just a simple suggestion.

The population is growing and so should the security..

George what's your response??
Click to expand...

I'm not a vet but I have noticed, over the past few weeks, that you sure do bitch a lot.
 
Big_Joe said:
I'm not a vet but I have noticed, over the past few weeks, that you sure do bitch a lot.
Click to expand...

you my friend seem to be the most unintelligent poster on this 5 page thread. You have PMed me with the same response and although it seems that you have failed to read the responses from all of the others you seems to think that because you have seen the topic arise that it is in complaint. Again I will ask you to read the entire thread and all the responses before posting your uninformed and reformed comments.
 
Makavelli said:
You can only have so many mods on a board. Most people don't realize that it's a tough job being a mod. There's a lot of behind the scenes work that's done. With that said if you can find more quality people that have the time to do it, then it's a good idea. You're still not going to eliminate the thousands of reposts about "can I drink winny", but it will help. I agree with Ulter's post on the first page. We're back to square one.

All boards hit a peak where it's great. There are a lot of intelligent bros and lots of good discussions, not arguments. Then word gets out and a bunch of 16 year olds jump on and start talking shit, etc. Then the good bros leave and all you have is a bunch of kids arguing about the best "stack" for spring break. That's what happened to the bolex board years ago. about 6-7 years ago that board was the bomb. I hardly posted because I was too busy reading and learning. Now it's just another board where kids just talk shit. It's sad, but that's the way it goes.
Click to expand...


I agree with Makavelli about the word getting out and you have a bunch of young guys jumping on here running their mouths which ends up running off some great brothers! Ulters post was dead on!!
 
Great advice. Sill no reason why there can't be more Security Mods to do some more you know, "Security." Look at some of the posts coming across right now. Half of these should be deleted. YOu are right also. The overwhelming effect of new people is running off all of the ones who really give thought and emotion to the sport of BB.

I read a thread just a few minutes ago that someone didn't even know what PCT meant and were looking for things to stack with Deca. Didn't even realize what stack meant either. This just kills me. We'll just take it in stride though.
 
tiggerizme said:
Many valid points brought on by many ppl. Great ideas and suggestions as well. I am still wondering if George will come out and play.
Click to expand...
I read alot of this and its just a waste post after post peroid! Its not georges place here to babysit everyone period...Geroge will probably hit my k again for telling it like it is! Fact, its your reposibilty what you do here how you deal with ect...1000k 100,000 k either one can screw you as fast as another...If you think your coming to a forum and get AAS your just stupid and need to move on peroid! I havent bought asked or got nothing from this site other then some good and bad reading...If you dont like the way the games played move on! Every sites the same were ever you go...Fact AAS is illegal so dont ask people,go to a web site by your bunk and look at yourself and cry..people need to quit blame people here everytime you get screwed...Were here for info not to babysit every tom dick or hairy that pops up on the board..Fact all you newbies are the ones answering all the question around here,just repeating what they read from one post to the next...But yet your the ones wanting more rules more protection dam people save it.,..This isnt a drug store its a forum..Get over it or move on! Lock this up and save some space for the real men around here!!!!
 
I agree with you and I was in the same boat as Mr. X when I first used AAS without the internet and having to listen to some guy at the gym that really didn't know what he was talking about! PCT I never heard of that until about 3 years ago so I really know how much help this board can be! I think there should be more security also but I'm not sure what the right step would be.
 
We are looking at ways to solve some of the issues arising from the increasing number of new members to the site. On any given month we can get anywhere from 2-3k NEW usernames registered to the site. March alone the number was just over 2,000…

You know… I have to take time to read thru this thread more carefully before I offer any kind of opinion… I just found this today and it seems like a good read.

Just know that we are aware of some of the issues and are looking at ways of fixing them…





-BRR
 
Ozz2001 said:
I read alot of this and its just a waste post after post peroid! Its not georges place here to babysit everyone period...Geroge will probably hit my k again for telling it like it is! Fact, its your reposibilty what you do here how you deal with ect...1000k 100,000 k either one can screw you as fast as another...If you think your coming to a forum and get AAS your just stupid and need to move on peroid! I havent bought asked or got nothing from this site other then some good and bad reading...If you dont like the way the games played move on! Every sites the same were ever you go...Fact AAS is illegal so dont ask people,go to a web site by your bunk and look at yourself and cry..people need to quit blame people here everytime you get screwed...Were here for info not to babysit every tom dick or hairy that pops up on the board..Fact all you newbies are the ones answering all the question around here,just repeating what they read from one post to the next...But yet your the ones wanting more rules more protection dam people save it.,..This isnt a drug store its a forum..Get over it or move on! Lock this up and save some space for the real men around here!!!!
Click to expand...

You seem to be the one commenting on all the "K" you received from GS. It sounds to me like you are the one complaining. If you would have read the thread in its entirety you would see that I am not asking GS to babysit. I am simply making a suggestion to better this community. Just because you hold a few K bro doesn't make you a Ruler of any sort. It seems to me like you are making your way around here by starting shit with people, so I would suggest to you take a step back and remember where you are and where you plan on going. If you can't handle these type of threads little guy then don't read them. You don't hold the key and you probably never will. Before you open your mouth about things you should make sure to channell your concerns the right way. You my friend have a lot to learn.
 
BRR has now commented on this post and as far as Elite Fitness goes, you cant get any higher than him. That means that we can now let this post drop out of the picture as "the powers that be" are aware. Mission accomplished. End of story. IMO this post doesnt need to find the top anymore..


BGI
 
BTW-

Just adding more Moderators does not solve anything. Just making somebody a Moderator based on their knowledge does not completely fulfill the job requirements… Some of the brightest(book-smart) people in the world are complete sociopaths. Being balanced, fair and tolerant is more important than just knowing about Steroids or Training or Diets…


Please keep in mind that we only have Bodybuilders, writers, and programmers working on the site… None of us signed up to become “King Solomon” of the Bodybuilding forums. I don’t think any of us has much training in running a community. We really hate having to come here and play “Judge Judy” with a bunch of grown men who should know better. Some of the stuff we are facing is truly unprecedented. In a place where people can talk, but don’t have to face each other, it is very hard to apply some of the age-old rules about community management.




-BRR
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

UGL OZ
[UGL OZ] Back In Stock: Mast E, Mast P, Rip Blend
Replies
7
Views
935
abolone
abolone
Liquid Gold Labs
  • Sticky
Silver Supplier 💎 Liquid Gold Labs Updates + Announcements 💎
Replies
7
Views
2K
Coolguy77711
Coolguy77711
H
Need advice. Heart transplant, now struggling with TRT?No energy
Replies
25
Views
4K
25homes
25homes
matt88
PSL Article Estrogen 101 for men: AI`s, SERMs, DHT Derivatives, Low/High symptoms, Estrogen benefits, etc
Replies
1
Views
840
matt88
matt88
Richardbrown
Napsgear: Insulin Sensitivity: A Major Factor in Muscle Growth and Fat Loss
Replies
16
Views
4K
RoySimpson
RoySimpson
Top Bottom