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Ok I keep reading and hearing about sarms and I think I'm almost sold on buying some. Which would you recommend for me. I'm 5'3" 136 lbs bf% about 7 give or take one. Looking to put on a few lean pounds of muscle. Adding size is more important than strength right now to me so with ever is better to add size. This would be my first cycle of anything. All natural up till now. Been lifting about 6 years with last 4 years being extremely dedicated. So are sarms alright for my first try?

how old are you bro?
 
21. Got big into power lifting for a while and after hitting 365 on bench I suffered a slight peck injury that has sense made me change my goals from strength to bodybuilding. Also would I need to run n2guard with sarms?
 
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21. Got big into power lifting for a while and after hitting 365 on bench I suffered a slight peck injury that has sense made me change my goals from strength to bodybuilding. Also would I need to run n2guard with sarms?


For you, I would recommend a stack of osta and s4... no need for n2guard with sarms...

1-8 ostarine 25 mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg six hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 forma stanzol
1-11 creatine nitrate
1-11 need2slin

mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
 
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Hey Dylan - great info in this thread!

I'm pulling together the stack of sarms and other goodies you have laid out for me. Question regarding Albuterol. How does it fit in with the SARMS Stack of S4/Osta/GW 501516? Is there any overlap with those 4 products? ie, What does the albut provide that the 3 sarms chems don't?

If you had to leave out either Albuterol or GW501516 from this stack which would you choose?...let's say you had to leave one out for financial reasons since they are both pricey.

From what I"ve gathered, the GW is for increased engery/stamina and also for cutting properties.....Albuterol is similar to clen, so it is a cutter I'm guessing. I'm trying to cut down from 15% to 10% bf so I can see why these would be beneficial, but wondering if I could save a few bucks and leave out the liquid albut to save some bucks for other gear. I'll have a strict diet/exercise program, so I'm wondering if I leave it out if I'll notice much of a change?

Thanks Bro!!
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Hey Dylan - great info in this thread!

I'm pulling together the stack of sarms and other goodies you have laid out for me. Question regarding Albuterol. How does it fit in with the SARMS Stack of S4/Osta/GW 501516? Is there any overlap with those 4 products? ie, What does the albut provide that the 3 sarms chems don't?

If you had to leave out either Albuterol or GW501516 from this stack which would you choose?...let's say you had to leave one out for financial reasons since they are both pricey.

From what I"ve gathered, the GW is for increased engery/stamina and also for cutting properties.....Albuterol is similar to clen, so it is a cutter I'm guessing. I'm trying to cut down from 15% to 10% bf so I can see why these would be beneficial, but wondering if I could save a few bucks and leave out the liquid albut to save some bucks for other gear. I'll have a strict diet/exercise program, so I'm wondering if I leave it out if I'll notice much of a change?

Thanks Bro!!

if you have to leave out one then it would be the albuterol bro...
 
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I think I would just like to run osta for 4 weeks. would 25mg a day be good? Would i see results and would I need a mini pct? Was thinking I could take unleashed with it or should I wait till after?
 
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I think I would just like to run osta for 4 weeks. would 25mg a day be good? Would i see results and would I need a mini pct? Was thinking I could take unleashed with it or should I wait till after?

i would run osta 6 weeks minimum but really 8 weeks is best... if you only run 4 then no mini pct is needed but running unleashed would still be a good idea...
 
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Hey, Dylan, i forgot if ostarine does better at higher doses than 25mg. I know it suppresses at higher than that, but is it going to increase my ability to gain if i decided to raise it?
 
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After reading the Unique vs Sarmsearch thread, have you thought about switching and trying SS instead? Seems like a few people who tried both had much better results with SS.
 
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After reading the Unique vs Sarmsearch thread, have you thought about switching and trying SS instead? Seems like a few people who tried both had much better results with SS.

If you're asking me, then yes, i've tried SS. They are a little better i think, but all the same, i wonder if 35-50mg would be worth it given you do a little pct at the end.
 
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If you're asking me, then yes, i've tried SS. They are a little better i think, but all the same, i wonder if 35-50mg would be worth it given you do a little pct at the end.
I couldn't really afford SS when I bought my sarms, but I was thinking maybe it would have been better to wait and buy from them instead of unique, some say unique is good but SS is better (like you mentioned), some say unique doesn't compare at all. I appreciate the input
 
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Hey, Dylan, i forgot if ostarine does better at higher doses than 25mg. I know it suppresses at higher than that, but is it going to increase my ability to gain if i decided to raise it?

you never want to exceed 25mg a day on ostarine... exceeding that is when problems can start to occur... 25 mg is the sweet spot but also the maximum dosage...
 
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After reading the Unique vs Sarmsearch thread, have you thought about switching and trying SS instead? Seems like a few people who tried both had much better results with SS.


with the results i had from unique last time, there would be no reason for me to switch... with results like that, why would anyone switch??
 
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Good to hear, on an unrelated note I decided to run GW @ 10mg for 8 weeks instead of 20 for 4, my weight has dropped too low and don't want to lose any LBM, can I expect it to help fat loss directly or will it just be an endurance booster at that dosage?
 
What about if I want to Run all three. How should I Do it? And is it better then PH,s?

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Good to hear, on an unrelated note I decided to run GW @ 10mg for 8 weeks instead of 20 for 4, my weight has dropped too low and don't want to lose any LBM, can I expect it to help fat loss directly or will it just be an endurance booster at that dosage?

you will still get fat loss at 10 mg but 20 is where it comes off quickly...
 
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What about if I want to Run all three. How should I Do it? And is it better then PH,s?

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1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg day.. split dosed... 5 mg a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)

there you go bro...
 
Kinda been getting some different advice on running osta with my pct for a test only cycle. I ran test at 200ml every 5days for 10weeks. Running the unleashed/postcycle along with adex .5e3d. Sone have said 25osta everyday in the mornings and others 12.5. Is it suppressive? Thus why half dose? Which do you recommend?

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Kinda been getting some different advice on running osta with my pct for a test only cycle. I ran test at 200ml every 5days for 10weeks. Running the unleashed/postcycle along with adex .5e3d. Sone have said 25osta everyday in the mornings and others 12.5. Is it suppressive? Thus why half dose? Which do you recommend?

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It can be slightly suppressive over an 8-12 week run but it is fine for pct... I use 25 mg a day in pct and since your cycle was test only then 25 will be fine

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On day 2 of 25mg of osta...wow and I thought you guys were wussy's about the taste. Man it taste life fucking gasoline. Anyways I have had terrible spastic stomach cramps. Has anyone else had stomach problems with osta? could be just coincidence....just damn that shit taste bad, cant be good for the tummy.

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On day 2 of 25mg of osta...wow and I thought you guys were wussy's about the taste. Man it taste life fucking gasoline. Anyways I have had terrible spastic stomach cramps. Has anyone else had stomach problems with osta? could be just coincidence....just damn that shit taste bad, cant be good for the tummy.

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I fucking hated the taste of that shit but really liked the results. I never had any stomach problems though.
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

On day 2 of 25mg of osta...wow and I thought you guys were wussy's about the taste. Man it taste life fucking gasoline. Anyways I have had terrible spastic stomach cramps. Has anyone else had stomach problems with osta? could be just coincidence....just damn that shit taste bad, cant be good for the tummy.

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It is brutal, but honestly after a couple more days it won't be as bad, still unpleasent though. No stomach problems on my end, I take some doses with food and without but stomach has been ok
 
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On day 2 of 25mg of osta...wow and I thought you guys were wussy's about the taste. Man it taste life fucking gasoline. Anyways I have had terrible spastic stomach cramps. Has anyone else had stomach problems with osta? could be just coincidence....just damn that shit taste bad, cant be good for the tummy.

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you need to just take it down quickly... did you drink anything right after it? if you let the taste sit in your mouth for a long time then it will not do your stomach any favors... you will get used to the taste...
 
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hey dylan thanks for all the info!

is it ever recommended to run gw for 6 or 8 weeks?

do effects diminish after a certain period of time (i.e. 4 wks)?

i've seen you recommend 20mg/day for 4 wks for optimal results, but i was wanting to/wondering about running a 6wks at 15mg or 20mg/day or 8wks at 15mg or 20mg.

i've read that gw on average takes 2 weeks before saturation occurs/optimal levels are achieved, so why not run for 6 or 8wks instead of 4? unless of course the reasoning is diminished effects after a period of 4wks or so. can you help shed some light on this topic please? i'm 205, 5'11" right now but wanna improve my recovery and times, as well as get my bf down a little more. i am also an endurance runner and do anywhere from 30-40 miles a week so i am also looking forward to the effect on stamina/endurance and recovery just as much, if not more than the bf/weight loss.

and maybe recommend the best cycle for me. if you think 20mg for 8wks would be good or if 20mg for 4 wks followed by a 2-4wk break and another 20mg 4 wk run right after the break would be better than a solid 8wk run, or if a 15mg 8 wk or a 15 or 20mg 6wk would be best for my goals, i would love to know!

i was also looking into s4 and ostarine. running them both side by side w/ the gw. 25mg/day of the osta and 25mg/twice a day (50mg) of the s4 to help accelerate results while sparing as much muscle as possible, maybe even gaining a bit? i was wondering on the s4 and osta doses i listed above, can i run side by side w/ gw for 8wks or should i do one in front for 4 or 6 wks and the other at the back for the last 4-6 weeks? and if it isn' recommended to run gw for 8wks, then where to place the s4 and osta during the 4-6wks?

and is pct (mini or otherwise) really absolutely necessary if s4 and osta are added? if so, can i use low dose nolva and/or clomid or are they way too strong? would you recommend another serm or rc that would work better (and perhaps a dosing schedule)? i've heard it really isnt s4 that suppresses at all, but the osta (or the other way around lol); one or the other, not both, am i correct? so if i were to eliminate that one sarm, i would assume no pct would be needed then?

last thing, i will also be running aicar as well, anywhere from 10-20mg/day, though i've heard eod dosing at doses as low as 10mg/eod is fine w/ gw too. what have you heard/recommend? i plan to be running it for the entire period w/ gw (and s4/osta?)

so in a perfect world, i want my dosing schedule look like this (or as close to it as possible, if, of course you recommend a better one):

wk1-8 - gw, 20mg/day, 10mg/am, 10mg/pm
wk1-8 - aicar, 10-20mg/day
wk1-8 - s4, 50mg/day, 25mg/am, 25mg/pm
wk1-8 - osta, 25mg/day in am

wk9-on - pct if needed... ?

sorry for all the questions... i've read most of this thread which actually answered many more i had (if you can believe it lol), so i greatly appreciate any time you may take out of your day to address my questions above and want to thank you for the info and wisdom in advance!

i look forward to reading your response and keep up the absolutely amazing work! have a great day!

p.s. i may sound like a newbie, but am definitely not... its just the world of sarms are new to me, so thanks for your understanding and bearing w/ me, lol.
 
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Are there any adverse affects of drinking alcohol while taking a sarms cycle? I know it is gererally not a good idea to drink while an anything, but, anything in particular with SARMS that reacts poorly with alcohol?
 
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On day 2 of 25mg of osta...wow and I thought you guys were wussy's about the taste. Man it taste life fucking gasoline. Anyways I have had terrible spastic stomach cramps. Has anyone else had stomach problems with osta? could be just coincidence....just damn that shit taste bad, cant be good for the tummy.

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Personally I think the S4 tastes worse than the osta.........yuck
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

hey dylan thanks for all the info!

is it ever recommended to run gw for 6 or 8 weeks?

do effects diminish after a certain period of time (i.e. 4 wks)?

i've seen you recommend 20mg/day for 4 wks for optimal results, but i was wanting to/wondering about running a 6wks at 15mg or 20mg/day or 8wks at 15mg or 20mg.

i've read that gw on average takes 2 weeks before saturation occurs/optimal levels are achieved, so why not run for 6 or 8wks instead of 4? unless of course the reasoning is diminished effects after a period of 4wks or so. can you help shed some light on this topic please? i'm 205, 5'11" right now but wanna improve my recovery and times, as well as get my bf down a little more. i am also an endurance runner and do anywhere from 30-40 miles a week so i am also looking forward to the effect on stamina/endurance and recovery just as much, if not more than the bf/weight loss.

and maybe recommend the best cycle for me. if you think 20mg for 8wks would be good or if 20mg for 4 wks followed by a 2-4wk break and another 20mg 4 wk run right after the break would be better than a solid 8wk run, or if a 15mg 8 wk or a 15 or 20mg 6wk would be best for my goals, i would love to know!

i was also looking into s4 and ostarine. running them both side by side w/ the gw. 25mg/day of the osta and 25mg/twice a day (50mg) of the s4 to help accelerate results while sparing as much muscle as possible, maybe even gaining a bit? i was wondering on the s4 and osta doses i listed above, can i run side by side w/ gw for 8wks or should i do one in front for 4 or 6 wks and the other at the back for the last 4-6 weeks? and if it isn' recommended to run gw for 8wks, then where to place the s4 and osta during the 4-6wks?

and is pct (mini or otherwise) really absolutely necessary if s4 and osta are added? if so, can i use low dose nolva and/or clomid or are they way too strong? would you recommend another serm or rc that would work better (and perhaps a dosing schedule)? i've heard it really isnt s4 that suppresses at all, but the osta (or the other way around lol); one or the other, not both, am i correct? so if i were to eliminate that one sarm, i would assume no pct would be needed then?

last thing, i will also be running aicar as well, anywhere from 10-20mg/day, though i've heard eod dosing at doses as low as 10mg/eod is fine w/ gw too. what have you heard/recommend? i plan to be running it for the entire period w/ gw (and s4/osta?)

so in a perfect world, i want my dosing schedule look like this (or as close to it as possible, if, of course you recommend a better one):

wk1-8 - gw, 20mg/day, 10mg/am, 10mg/pm
wk1-8 - aicar, 10-20mg/day
wk1-8 - s4, 50mg/day, 25mg/am, 25mg/pm
wk1-8 - osta, 25mg/day in am

wk9-on - pct if needed... ?

sorry for all the questions... i've read most of this thread which actually answered many more i had (if you can believe it lol), so i greatly appreciate any time you may take out of your day to address my questions above and want to thank you for the info and wisdom in advance!

i look forward to reading your response and keep up the absolutely amazing work! have a great day!

p.s. i may sound like a newbie, but am definitely not... its just the world of sarms are new to me, so thanks for your understanding and bearing w/ me, lol.


you do not run a serm in any sarms pct... its a simple 3 week mini pct... unleashed/post cycle combo and bridge is ideal pct...

you can definitely run gw 8 weeks, the only reason i ever recommended less was due to cost and I was accomodating others... your dosing is right... wait 6 hours in between doses on s4 and 12 hours on gw...

you would run them all side by side... no loading period...

gw is going to improve your endurance quickly... you will be fine with muscle wastage using this stack
 
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you do not run a serm in any sarms pct... its a simple 3 week mini pct... unleashed/post cycle combo and bridge is ideal pct...

you can definitely run gw 8 weeks, the only reason i ever recommended less was due to cost and I was accomodating others... your dosing is right... wait 6 hours in between doses on s4 and 12 hours on gw...

you would run them all side by side... no loading period...

gw is going to improve your endurance quickly... you will be fine with muscle wastage using this stack

thanks for your prompt reply! can you please elaborate a bit more on what is needed for pct... would i only need to run unleashed for 3wks? or are any other products during the 3wk pct recommended also. and could you please recommend a good dosing schedule (doseages, times taken, etc) for each pct product that you recommend i take for those 3wks after, if i plan to run the exact 'cycle' i outlined above? thanks again bro! your knowledge is greatly appreciated and you are a true asset to this board!

take care and have an amazing night!
 
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Lurker here

I was thinking about running a SARMS cycle before tossing myself into a steroid cycle right off the bat. I have never ran a cycle of anything before, I just take the regular natty supplements; Whey, creatine, fish oils, ect. I have been doing a lot of inconsistent lifting for the past 3 years, but have really started to get serious about it in the past 8 months.

Here's my stats;
Age: 21
Ht: 5'7
Wt: 175
Bf%: Around 20

Just looking for a link to some basic SARMS info before I get started. I did look around the site for some but really only found this thread. Since this is more of a Q&A I'd like to read something a bit more about just general SARMS information, a good informative read.

Thanks in advance
 
Any reason to not try a run with a SARM as a 19 year old? Since it has little to no effect on natural production?
 
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Just curious so reasoning for this?

Because SARMS selectively modulate and affect androgen receptors within your body's endocrine system... someone who is 19 still has a developing body which has not yet hit the peak of testosterone production; and taking something that will affect the essential chemicals and/or receptors in one who is still developing, can have detrimental effects later in life... for example, flooding your body with a product that floods your body with different compounds that trick it into thinking it's already matured fully (When it's not) and causing one's system to not fully develop/mature properly, ceasing production of vital chemicals needed to have a functional endocrine system... unless that's something you want to risk... but I think we're more about harm reduction/prevention, than harm acceleration on this site. Hope that helps...
 
Because SARMS selectively modulate and affect androgen receptors within your body's endocrine system... someone who is 19 still has a developing body which has not yet hit the peak of testosterone production; and taking something that will affect the essential chemicals and/or receptors in one who is still developing, can have detrimental effects later in life... for example, flooding your body with a product that floods your body with different compounds that trick it into thinking it's already matured fully (When it's not) and causing one's system to not fully develop/mature properly, ceasing production of vital chemicals needed to have a functional endocrine system... unless that's something you want to risk... but I think we're more about harm reduction/prevention, than harm acceleration on this site. Hope that helps...

Not even being a wise ass, that's an intelligent response right there. Lol well said
 
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hey dylan what is the least recommended time between sarms cycles?
 
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Alright so I'm back after doing a little research, I just have a few things I'd like you to help me with before I get my rat started.

My rat will be on an 8 week cycle of a Osta and S4 stack, I wondering what kinda dosage I should give him. Also I know I should have about one bottle of Osta, but about how many S4's should I have around? I'm basically looking for a cycle layout if you have the time bro, I would really appreciate it. Also after this 8 week cycle what kind of PCT should I give to my rat? What do you recommend?

Here are my rats stats
Age:21
Ht: 5'7
Wt:175ish
Bf%: Around 18-20
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Alright so I'm back after doing a little research, I just have a few things I'd like you to help me with before I get my rat started.

My rat will be on an 8 week cycle of a Osta and S4 stack, I wondering what kinda dosage I should give him. Also I know I should have about one bottle of Osta, but about how many S4's should I have around? I'm basically looking for a cycle layout if you have the time bro, I would really appreciate it. Also after this 8 week cycle what kind of PCT should I give to my rat? What do you recommend?

Here are my rats stats
Age:21
Ht: 5'7
Wt:175ish
Bf%: Around 18-20



1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)

how many bottles of s4 is hard to say because it depends if you are able to increase your dosage or not... you won't know for sure until you get into it a little bit... i would say at least 4 bottles...
 
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With s4 how common is it to have night vision issues an how do you combat this?
Everyone is different but in general if you start to have vision problems go 5-on 2-off...

As for my self even with 5/2 I have really bad vision problems! To the point were I had a huge black spot blocking most of my vision when I woke up or going from a dark room to a lighted room. I did finish the cycle and I'm on my PCT now.

All in all it was a good cycle and strength gains were very nice, was not trying to bulk.
 
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How can I use Ostarine or other SARMS for recomp?
What kind of diet should I use?
And how long she I stop using them between two consecutive cycles?
 
Everyone is different but in general if you start to have vision problems go 5-on 2-off...

As for my self even with 5/2 I have really bad vision problems! To the point were I had a huge black spot blocking most of my vision when I woke up or going from a dark room to a lighted room. I did finish the cycle and I'm on my PCT now.

All in all it was a good cycle and strength gains were very nice, was not trying to bulk.

Since you've been off has it stopped entirely?
 
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With s4 how common is it to have night vision issues an how do you combat this?

it is very common to have the night vision issues but its impossible to determine how sever it will effect you... some people can start to get unbearable issues at only 50 mg a day but others can go up to 100 mg without much issue at all... s4 can bind to the receptor in your eye... this is what causes the night vision... the half life is very short on s4 and that's why 5 on and 2 off is what people use to help to tolerate the vision... You are just going to have to find out for yourself when you try it...
 
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How can I use Ostarine or other SARMS for recomp?
What kind of diet should I use?
And how long she I stop using them between two consecutive cycles?

you can run an 8 week cycle then a 3 week mini pct.... then you take one more week off and you can start sarms again...

your diet will depend on your goals... sarms are meant for leaning out and still gaining lean muscle...
 
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So, ive been getting a daily inbox full of SARMS questions, so I thought it would be helpful to post this thread and give everyone as much help and advice as possible... I just want to help out everyone as much as possible and give the best advice I possibly can... So ask away!!

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On my next cycle which is my 4th I will be using dbol, test e and tren e.

I have always used nolvadex on cycle but I have heard good things about forma. Should I use forma or nolvadex on cycle and pct and Why? It says only use for 10 weeks, can i use for longer?

I am also concerned about hairloss on tren, how much finasteride should I use? Any other alternative? Yes there is mpd in my family.
 
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do you think that there's a possibility of running it like 3 times a year FOREVER, effectively keeping your gains until you die without accumulating side effects? just thinking...
 
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do you think that there's a possibility of running it like 3 times a year FOREVER, effectively keeping your gains until you die without accumulating side effects? just thinking...


not to be a dick, but for you to even ask that type of question means you are either a troll or you have no business running any sort of cycle period... forever?? come on man...
 
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Hey Dylan,

Thanks for helping me set up my current beast/katana/trans cycle which I have been logging: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/enter-beast-log-954413.html

Anyway getting on to the point. Im at the start of week 4 of the above cycle but I wanted to start purchasing some items already because I intend on doing a sarms triple stack to lean the f**k out and drop as much bf as possible (there is alot! lol). I heard your the KING of cutting and bro, im the total opposite! lol...i need ur help to get ripped!

Since im following ur log on sarms I adopted the following:

1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 20 mg day.. split dosed... 10 mg a.m. and 10 mg twelve hours later
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)


I have just a few questions regarding the above:

1. Is it ok that I bump my GW to 20mg cause I really wana drop massive amounts of bf? Adding some lean muscle would be a total bonus if im still dropping crazy bf! Hows the rest of the cycle?

2. I want to start this STRAIGHT after my current beast cycles PCT is over(literally a day after). Will that be too soon? Because amongst other things, that would mean I would be on HCGenerate for over 4 months by the end of the sarms cycle! would that have any bad sides for being on that product for so long?

3. Im currently on a 40/40/20 split but what kinda split should I be on for the Sarms stack? Suppose I weigh 198-205 pounds by the end of Beast, how many calories should I lower to? Remember I want to drop bf super fast and as much as I can! My other stats to help u are 180cm and 25 years old.

4. What kind of workout plan should I be on? Currently for beast I am on a 5 day body split (one body part per week)? Push, pull, legs? 3 day split with 3 days cardio?

5. Depending on whether the above cycle is fine or not, or what u think I should change up, how many bottles of each will I need taking into account GW is 20mg a day?

6. Realistically, given ur answers to the above questions, and me doing strictly what u say (clean diet, workout plan, cardio and supps) how much weight do u think I can lose? Also how much lean muscle can I possibly put on? (main thing is to drop bf crazy....adding muscle will only be a bonus)...

Sorry to bother u bro. But like I said I heard you are the KING of cutting and I f**king hate it...lol

Thank you so much bro

 
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Hey Dylan,

Thanks for helping me set up my current beast/katana/trans cycle which I have been logging: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/enter-beast-log-954413.html

Anyway getting on to the point. Im at the start of week 4 of the above cycle but I wanted to start purchasing some items already because I intend on doing a sarms triple stack to lean the f**k out and drop as much bf as possible (there is alot! lol). I heard your the KING of cutting and bro, im the total opposite! lol...i need ur help to get ripped!

Since im following ur log on sarms I adopted the following:

1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 20 mg day.. split dosed... 10 mg a.m. and 10 mg twelve hours later
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)


I have just a few questions regarding the above:

1. Is it ok that I bump my GW to 20mg cause I really wana drop massive amounts of bf? Adding some lean muscle would be a total bonus if im still dropping crazy bf! Hows the rest of the cycle?

2. I want to start this STRAIGHT after my current beast cycles PCT is over(literally a day after). Will that be too soon? Because amongst other things, that would mean I would be on HCGenerate for over 4 months by the end of the sarms cycle! would that have any bad sides for being on that product for so long?

3. Im currently on a 40/40/20 split but what kinda split should I be on for the Sarms stack? Suppose I weigh 198-205 pounds by the end of Beast, how many calories should I lower to? Remember I want to drop bf super fast and as much as I can! My other stats to help u are 180cm and 25 years old.

4. What kind of workout plan should I be on? Currently for beast I am on a 5 day body split (one body part per week)? Push, pull, legs? 3 day split with 3 days cardio?

5. Depending on whether the above cycle is fine or not, or what u think I should change up, how many bottles of each will I need taking into account GW is 20mg a day?

6. Realistically, given ur answers to the above questions, and me doing strictly what u say (clean diet, workout plan, cardio and supps) how much weight do u think I can lose? Also how much lean muscle can I possibly put on? (main thing is to drop bf crazy....adding muscle will only be a bonus)...

Sorry to bother u bro. But like I said I heard you are the KING of cutting and I f**king hate it...lol

Thank you so much bro


20 mg is optimal fat loss so run it at 20... that is completely fine...

take 4 weeks off hcgenerate after you do 8 in a row... run daa in its place until the 4 weeks are up...

40/40/20 is not going to work for cutting... protein 65-70 carbs 20-25 fat 10-15

you need to incorporate more cardio to help with cutting... higher reps, lower weight is more aimed at tone as and muscular endurance which help with cutting...

1-2 osta
4 s4
8 gw
 
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@mission, I've been doing a 47/43/10 P/C/F split but not exactly a standard one. Im doing intermittent fasting, fasting 18 hours and eating all my meals in 6, I have about 70% of my carbs post workout with 3 N2slin's because of muscle and insulin sensitivity they will be utilized, then I taper the carbs and my last meal has almost none. Low fat is key because it doesn't help much at all during a cut, just get the bare minimum. I up the fats and lower the carbs on rest days (only rest once a week I train 6 days a week), so sort of a carb cycle.

I tried the low carb thing, but the few negatives I noticed was decreased energy, msucles looked flat because of glycogen depletion, no glycogen means lower strength, also the most important thing is low cal/low carb means lower leptin levels! Leptin controls weight loss especially when you get lean, but since you're a high bf% you dont have to worry about this until you get to maybe 12%bf. (Leptin is secreted by fat cells, so being a higher bf% you likely have quite a bit of leptin floating around)

So the method im using is working, for me, but everyone is different. My advice is since you have a lot of body fat to lose, follow Dylan's diet, but if you're really struggling with low carb and it's affecting your performance in the gyma nd overall daily living, you can still do a 40/40/20 split, because at the end of the day the most important thing is expending more calories than you're taking in.
 
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Sweet thanks dylan and kkklick!! I've noted all u have to say...

I'm gonna start ordering my products soon...
 
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Okay ... so I've been scratching my head ... not being nearly as familiar with this stuff as with AAS ... lol!

CJC-1295 no DAC and Ipam.

Pin Mo-Fri, 3XDay @ 100mcg ea/pin
Weekends off to prevent desensitization.
Running it - Indefinitely ... on cycle, off cycle, mid cycle, pct ... every week for as long as my wallet can manage it.

I have come to understand the following:

CJC-1295 no DAC releases HGH by stimulating the glands on a pulse-effect as opposed to the bleed effect the DAC has ... this is more beneficial in the long run. It's half-life is MUCH shorter than the DAC, so it needs to be pinned moring, noon and night.

Ipam also spikes natural HGH release with every pin, but it also prevents somatostatin to bind to the HGH and render it useless.

Using the 2 of them in conjunction with 1 another could ONLY be beneficial and healing and recovering from a broken back at the moment, I think this would be a nice stack to run.

What do you think?
 
Okay ... so I've been scratching my head ... not being nearly as familiar with this stuff as with AAS ... lol!

CJC-1295 no DAC and Ipam.

Pin Mo-Fri, 3XDay @ 100mcg ea/pin
Weekends off to prevent desensitization.
Running it - Indefinitely ... on cycle, off cycle, mid cycle, pct ... every week for as long as my wallet can manage it.

I have come to understand the following:

CJC-1295 no DAC releases HGH by stimulating the glands on a pulse-effect as opposed to the bleed effect the DAC has ... this is more beneficial in the long run. It's half-life is MUCH shorter than the DAC, so it needs to be pinned moring, noon and night.

Ipam also spikes natural HGH release with every pin, but it also prevents somatostatin to bind to the HGH and render it useless.

Using the 2 of them in conjunction with 1 another could ONLY be beneficial and healing and recovering from a broken back at the moment, I think this would be a nice stack to run.

What do you think?

It could be beneficial... the addition of tb-500 and ostarine would be as well

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how many bottles of s4 is hard to say because it depends if you are able to increase your dosage or not... you won't know for sure until you get into it a little bit... i would say at least 4 bottles...

Thanks for the help man! I look forward to making some great lean gains!

Just a couple of extra questions.
1. Would I be able to substitute Creatine mono-hydrate for Creatine nitrate? I'm already taking it atm.
2. Does the unleashed/post cycle combo come in stock randomly? Or is there somewhere else I can find them?
 
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/uniquemicals-vs-sarmssearch-961193-2.html

I'm a little worried about the quality between Uniquemicals vs Sarmsearch.

I'd like to buy from unique because it's ridculously cheap over sarmssearch but I feel that I won't get the desired results. You get what you pay for.

I'm a little worried that liffalot said he took Osta from uniquechemicals for 3 weeks and saw no results.

Is there a major difference in quality from these websites?

If I order from SS I'm only going to get S-4 and Osta instead of the triple stack because it's too expensive atm.
 
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Yeap, suppose it would ... however ... I almost fell over backwards when I saw the price of tb-500. Wanted to get on it with my back situation at the mo' ... but DAYUM!!!!!

It could be beneficial... the addition of tb-500 and ostarine would be as well

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Thanks for the help man! I look forward to making some great lean gains!

Just a couple of extra questions.
1. Would I be able to substitute Creatine mono-hydrate for Creatine nitrate? I'm already taking it atm.
2. Does the unleashed/post cycle combo come in stock randomly? Or is there somewhere else I can find them?


you can use monohydrate... i prefer nitrate because there is not water retention and a nice amount of energy provided but thats up to you...

the unleashed/post cycle is always in and out of stock... check protein factory as well
 
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/uniquemicals-vs-sarmssearch-961193-2.html

I'm a little worried about the quality between Uniquemicals vs Sarmsearch.

I'd like to buy from unique because it's ridculously cheap over sarmssearch but I feel that I won't get the desired results. You get what you pay for.

I'm a little worried that liffalot said he took Osta from uniquechemicals for 3 weeks and saw no results.

Is there a major difference in quality from these websites?

If I order from SS I'm only going to get S-4 and Osta instead of the triple stack because it's too expensive atm.


ive went over this several times... both top quality companies... sarmsearc has been around a very long time so they are more established... i can assure you unique is top quality based on my results from using them on several occasions... they have continued the 50% off sale because it was such a hit... there have been people that have complained about every single company that has ever existed... from personal experience and from so many others i can assure you that unique is top quality
 
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Yeap, suppose it would ... however ... I almost fell over backwards when I saw the price of tb-500. Wanted to get on it with my back situation at the mo' ... but DAYUM!!!!!


the tb is cheap my man... great white peptides and chemicalneed both have it...
 
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Do you think that it would be possible to put on 3-5lbs running osta at 15mg ed for 6-8 weeks? And would that be suppressive?

run it at 25 mg a day and its definitely possible... it is slightly suppressive... you must run a 3 week mini pct after the cycle...
 
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run it at 25 mg a day and its definitely possible... it is slightly suppressive... you must run a 3 week mini pct after the cycle...

Hey dylan, I thought S4 was the one that was suppressive, not OSTA ?
 
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osta is slightly suppressive... s4 is more suppressive than osta but neither is anywhere near being as suppressive as a ph or aas but they can both slightly suppress... that's why i always use hcgenerate alongside... then with the strong mini pct you are good to go quickly...
 
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Yeah fair enough :D didnt know osta was supressive at all l0l ! p,s i private messaged you :)
 
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Just received my first bottle of OSTA from uniquemicals. Planning on running 1ml(25ml/ml) daily. I am looking to rehab a back injury but also build lean muscle and decrease body fat. Some people have suggested that having creatine and really dosing up on bcaas will help amplify my results whilst on Ostarine. Is there any truth to this? Also if I need a PCT what would you suggest, how often per day and how long for? Thanks
 
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Just received my first bottle of OSTA from uniquemicals. Planning on running 1ml(25ml/ml) daily. I am looking to rehab a back injury but also build lean muscle and decrease body fat. Some people have suggested that having creatine and really dosing up on bcaas will help amplify my results whilst on Ostarine. Is there any truth to this? Also if I need a PCT what would you suggest, how often per day and how long for? Thanks

the osta from unique is 50 mg/ml so you only take 1/2 ml a day... 25 mg a day... you can definitely take creatine and bcaas with it... you run it for 8 weeks and then you run a mini pct for 3 weeks... this will consist of the unleashed/post cycle combo and bridge (double dosed)... I always run hcgenerate and forma stanzol on any sarms cycle as well...
 
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Hey quick question for everyone:

I'm going to King's Island tomorrow and I'm wondering how anyone would bring their sarms to the park. Ive packed quality food in a cooler but I dont know how to pack my Sarms.

I'll be okay with the osterine. However, I'll need to dose my S4 at 12, and my GW501516 at 6.

Can I mix these in protien drinks
 
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Back to my previous question. What is recovery time like running osta. How long should I want between body parts?

what do you mean recovery time? like from training? if that's what you mean, then osta is very good in terms of recovery... it has healing capabilities and they really show throughout a cycle... as far as waiting in between body parts, thats up to how you run your workouts man... i have no clue how you are set up but i always feel really good on sarms...
 
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Hey quick question for everyone:

I'm going to King's Island tomorrow and I'm wondering how anyone would bring their sarms to the park. Ive packed quality food in a cooler but I dont know how to pack my Sarms.

I'll be okay with the osterine. However, I'll need to dose my S4 at 12, and my GW501516 at 6.

Can I mix these in protien drinks

you can just take them when you get home... just try to not make it a habit to dose them fucked up often... you will be okay to do it once in a while...
 
To begin with I am thinking of getting one bottle of ostarine do u think this will be good enough and how long will it last me .i am strictly crossfit
 
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To begin with I am thinking of getting one bottle of ostarine do u think this will be good enough and how long will it last me .i am strictly crossfit

one bottle of osta will last you 60 days at 25 mg a day...
 
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Hey Dylan,

I only bought one bottle of GW501516 from uniquemicals and realized last week it wans't enough. Do you know when Unique will have more in stock? I need another 2-3 bottles.
 
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Hey Dylan,

I only bought one bottle of GW501516 from uniquemicals and realized last week it wans't enough. Do you know when Unique will have more in stock? I need another 2-3 bottles.

I am not for sure but as soon as I know I will let you know...
 
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hey dylan, do u happen to have any discount codes for unique....i know they are much cheaper anyway but im placing a HUGE order so i needed something to soften the blow! lol
 
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that's good news... i am loving gw so much right now... it has been wonderful so far...
 
Adding forma to my triple stack sarms cycle this week. How do you dose it? How many pumps and how do you spread it out between the day The bottle has several options.

Would 5-7 pumps Am and 5-7 pumps pm sound about right?
 
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Adding forma to my triple stack sarms cycle this week. How do you dose it? How many pumps and how do you spread it out between the day The bottle has several options.

Would 5-7 pumps Am and 5-7 pumps pm sound about right?

you do 5 pumps in the a.m. and 5 pumps twelve hours later...
 
Dylan,
Can beast be run along side of sarms? If so how? And what kind of pct would you run for that?!
If not, can I run a sarms cycle and follow with beast right after the sarms pct?
 
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Dylan,
Can beast be run along side of sarms? If so how? And what kind of pct would you run for that?!
If not, can I run a sarms cycle and follow with beast right after the sarms pct?

you can run sarms with any aas or ph but they are better utilized as a bridge between cycles to help not only maintain but add to your gains... you can run your sarms cycle now and then the mini pct and then one week after your mini pct you can start beast...
 
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Dylan,

Bro, I finally got everything I need an am about to start my sarms stack monday! Thank you for all the help you've given me putting my cycle together, I just have one more question for you.

Here are my stats:

Age: 21
Ht:5'7
Wt:183
Bf%: around 22 i'd say

My goal on this cycle is to mainly lose fat, while still adding just a bit of LBM, and not losing any muscle. I know during a natty cutting cycle loss of LBM and strength is inevitable, but I'm not sure how much SARMS will offset this. Since you know my goals I want to know what you think my diet should be like.

Should I clean bulk with a 250-500 calorie surplus over maintenance, or clean cut with a 250-500 caloric deficit under maintenance?

I know how my macros should look, just not really what I should be doing about my caloric intake.

Thanks for all your help man!
 
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Dylan,

Bro, I finally got everything I need an am about to start my sarms stack monday! Thank you for all the help you've given me putting my cycle together, I just have one more question for you.

Here are my stats:

Age: 21
Ht:5'7
Wt:183
Bf%: around 22 i'd say

My goal on this cycle is to mainly lose fat, while still adding just a bit of LBM, and not losing any muscle. I know during a natty cutting cycle loss of LBM and strength is inevitable, but I'm not sure how much SARMS will offset this. Since you know my goals I want to know what you think my diet should be like.

Should I clean bulk with a 250-500 calorie surplus over maintenance, or clean cut with a 250-500 caloric deficit under maintenance?

I know how my macros should look, just not really what I should be doing about my caloric intake.

Thanks for all your help man!

when the main part of the goal is to lose fat, which in this case it seems to be, then you are going to want to be on a deficit... go with the 250 clean first and see how that works... im eating at a deficit right now on sarms and have lost weight but have become much more hard... my muscle size looks great because it so shredded... so the weight will come off but you can still have good muscle size...
 
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when the main part of the goal is to lose fat, which in this case it seems to be, then you are going to want to be on a deficit... go with the 250 clean first and see how that works... im eating at a deficit right now on sarms and have lost weight but have become much more hard... my muscle size looks great because it so shredded... so the weight will come off but you can still have good muscle size...

Alright I'll see how it goes man, thanks for the input.

Also I hope your sarms stack is going great as well, good luck with them goals!
 
Hey guys so many pages was wondering your opinion on a sarms cycle for a 20 year old I finish my cut and want to start a bulk and ostarine seems to be what am I looking for

Am I to young? It doesn't seem to have many sides I have a few other questions though

Is it useful just by itself and would a 4-6 week cycle need a pct or not? (was thinking of just using DAA as pct)

I'm 20
155 pounds
12-14% bf


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