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[starfish]

Are you TOTALLY delusional?

Anti-homosexuals are so vocal on EF that it defies belief! This is the most homophobic environment i have EVER been in in my entire life. It makes high school look like a bastion of love and tolerance.

Not only are people incredibly vocal against homosexuality on threads, but I get ENDLESS numbers of anonymous gay bashing karma messages on a daily basis.

The USA is the most conservative society in the Western world. I cannot believe how 1950s the attitudes of Americans are. This site is full of 20 year olds who have the sort of opinions you'd only find among red necked 70 year old men in my country.

In fact this is the only gay themed thread I have been a part of on EF that hasn't been full-on hate mongering, gay-hate inciting harrassment.

Yep................ Buch of hateful people.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I don't expect to get a straight *pun......intended* answer to this question, but is a person's homosexuality predetermined or learned over the course of their upbringing? I knew someone who had a stash of playboys as a kid, but now is I think 100% gay. Other people say it is predetermined. This question if answered might stop some of the whining about being picked on and all this unfair treatment they're getting if they can help it or not. I think people in general are not going to change their views on people reguardless of what those people might say. The best thing to do would be to just deal with it, unless you think you can change people's viewpoints.

 

[HansNZ]

I don't expect to get a straight *pun......intended* answer to this question, but is a person's homosexuality predetermined or learned over the course of their upbringing? I knew someone who had a stash of playboys as a kid, but now is I think 100% gay. Other people say it is predetermined. This question if answered might stop some of the whining about being picked on and all this unfair treatment they're getting if they can help it or not. I think people in general are not going to change their views on people reguardless of what those people might say. The best thing to do would be to just deal with it, unless you think you can change people's viewpoints.

Well I have never met anyome who chose their homosexual urges. And I can tell you from my own experience that I never chose. Quite the contrary - My youth was quite unhappy for me because of my non-acceptance of my homosexual impulses and my intense desire to be straight.

But none of this matters. Some people don't want to accept that homosexuality isn't a choice because such a situation threatens their belief system. So that is that.

If you ask them when they "chose" to be straight - then either they are bisexual and are repressing their homosexual urges and assume everyone else is too, or they are straight and through some form of mental sophistry they convince themselves that being straight is not a choice but for some nebulous reason the rest of us somehow manage to contrive a sexual attraction to the same sex somehow.

 

[Longhorn85]

The weight of evidence is so totally against you, it is you that carries the burden of proof. Everytime I make a point, citing facts, you take some unproven (and often unprovable) theoretical position and assert that it is true without credible evidence proving it.

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Here is your quote from this very thread Hans:

"I have my own theory. If you accept that sexuality is environmental then I think that completely free of social conditioning, people are naturally bisexual.

But it is just a theory. "

So it would seem that I am not the only one who relies on theory, and yours is admittedly your personal theory. You have presented no credible evidence. I stand by my argument.

Nice try though.

 

[HansNZ]

Here is your quote from this very thread Hans:

"I have my own theory. If you accept that sexuality is environmental then I think that completely free of social conditioning, people are naturally bisexual.

But it is just a theory. "

So it would seem that I am not the only one who relies on theory, and yours is admittedly your personal theory. You have presented no credible evidence. I stand by my argument.

Nice try though.

WRONG WRONG WRONG.

I was refering to the FACTS I presented about manatees and the presence of homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom. You shrugged these off saying they were the result of some sort of dysfunction in these animals, despite the fact that you have no way of proving this. This was also despite the fact that these are normal behaviours, not exceptions, in species such as the one cited: manatees.

As for the quote. Yes I was discussing that topic as a theory - and said so. You cite tenuous theories and frequently religiously motivated assertions as if they are some how proven facts. That is the difference.

 

[smallmovesal]

well, not all of us are gay bashers. some of us are very happy to have you here hansnz.

 

[HansNZ]

Sexual impulses are a strong biological imperative, yet individuals still choose to participate or refrain from engaging in them.

I'll say it again,
calling a man a "nigger" is a blanket condemnation of an entire culture of people. Taking issue with a man's unusual sexual proclivities is qualitatively different. Colonel Walter E Kurtz

So I am only gay if I have gay sex? I don't think so. I am gay even if I am celibate. It is being homosexual that people are harrassing. They don't harrass people only for engaging in homosexual acts.

Simply indicating an attraction for someone of the same sex is cause for harassment. People get beaten up not because someone catches them having gay sex but just because they look/act gay.

As with calling someone a nigger, calling someone a faggot is a condemnation of an entire culture of people. Being black in the USA is just as "unusal" as being gay, so your argument is really tenuous at best.

 

[HansNZ]

Gays don't live in fear. Per capita, they are the wealthiest demographic group. Their lobbying power at the federal level is second to none. Their agenda is accomidated in every single public forum. If that constitutes discrimination, I would like to be a victim of it.

Gays live in fear constantly. On a daily basis gays are the victim of hostility and often physical violence.

Yes, they are the wealthiest demographic group. But this is because they hold disproportionately good jobs. However within their professions they are frequently discriminated against, passed over for promotion, and paid less than their straight counterparts.

As for the gay "agenda" being accomodated in every public forum or in congress - that is beside the point. Discrimination is subtle and occurs in many ways and often despite laws against it. These laws simply give recourse, they don't prevent discrimination.

 

[HansNZ]

Gay teens are "afraid" to come out because it is difficult for parents to accept the fact that their son/daughter, rightly or wrongly, will struggle with homosexuality throughout their life.

What!?

As a gay child it was hostility and bullying at school that kept me in the closet as well as the anti-gay messages I got from society in general. My parents accepted me immediately when I told them I was gay.

As far as "gay bashing", the threat of this sort of crime is wildly overstated. There have been a few cases over the past 10 years of sociopathic thugs attacking/murdering gay people. These sorts of attacks are exceedingly rare, and the media feeds paranoia by granting disproportionate coverage to these events. Statistically speaking, I face a sizable threat from Black offenders, being that I am a White person who lives in a predominantly Black area (many of whose residents are below the poverty line). Yet I can't say that I ever walk the streets of my hometown in a state of fear.

Walter E Kurtz

Wrong again. I recently went out to town one evening with a man dressed in drag. I felt physically threatened on several occasions by others and made sure we stayed in areas with other people and didn't wander into dark and/or deserted places.

I am a tall, heavily muscled male and even I feel in danger at times when my sexuality is known. I can tell of of several gays (and lesbians) I personally know who get bashed. It happens to people I know quite regularly. It just goes unreported. I live in a country which is far less homophobic than the USA is.

 

[Longhorn85]

Wrong again. I went out recently with a man dressed in drag.

I find this hard to understand. If you are attracted to men, why would you want to go out with a man dressed as a woman? Wouldn't it be better to have the real thing, and go out with a woman in the first place?

A legitimate question, I think.