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[casavant]

Homosexuality is normal. That only seems like a questionable statement to most people because society's messages to the contrary have - and continue to be - so strong. /B]

I agree. "Normal" is a totally relative term. It doesn't seem absolutely normal to us straight people who haven't been exposed to it much and who've had it driven into our heads to the contrary, but when you think about it, it's as normal as just about anything else, I guess. Hell, it's been around forever.

You can say: anal sex=not conducive to reproduction, but if you say anal sex=not conducive to reproduction=not normal, then you're making a huge assumption.

 

[HansNZ]

I agree. "Normal" is a totally relative term. It doesn't seem absolutely normal to us straight people who haven't been exposed to it much and who've had it driven into our heads to the contrary, but when you think about it, it's as normal as just about anything else, I guess. Hell, it's been around forever.

You can say: anal sex=not conducive to reproduction, but if you say anal sex=not conducive to reproduction=not normal, then you're making a huge assumption.

Yeah, very little vaginal sex results in reproduction either.

I didn't used to think it was normal either. That is of course why I was a virgin until I was 25

I am usually very good at analysing things, but the negative conditioning towards homosexuality was so ingrained that it took me until my mid twenties to get over it. Once you actually truly examine the whole issue, you discover that even seemingly quite watertight arguments against homosexuality crumble.

 

[casavant]

Yep, in the end I think it comes down to one of the rules I try to live by- You're not hurting anybody, and I'm not hurting anybody; you do your thing, I'll do mine. Everybody's happy.

 

[Longhorn85]

btw, what ever happened to the karma you promised me Mr. Stinge!

As for the "unnatural" arguments, none of them stack up. The fact is that the animal kingdom is rife with homosexual behaviour, blissfully devoid of human society's ideas of absolutes in this regard.

I have to spread it around more before I can hit you again. As for your animal kingdom argument, I'm sure deviant behavior can be found in the wild.

 

[HansNZ]

I have to spread it around more before I can hit you again. As for your animal kingdom argument, I'm sure deviant behavior can be found in the wild.

I am sure it can.

But to make the deviant argument you'll have to prove that homosexuality among animals is deviant. Are you saying that this behaviour among manatees is deviant when it is the same normal behaviour that has always been witnessed?

In the former soviet union communism wasn't considered an ideology but a science in the way physics was. To debate its obvious 'truth" was to deny the existence of gravity.

Because the authoriies didn't want to acknowledge that communism was in dispute, dissidents were put in mental institutions to show that their attitudes were the product of mental illness. It is easy to simply label something you don't like an illness in order to fulfill some ideological agenda.

 

[CAGED whiteman]

i have gotten more green karma for this thread...its a shame that whoever feels the same as me does not have the balls to speak up....

 

[Longhorn85]

But to make the deviant argument you'll have to prove that homosexuality among animals is deviant. Are you saying that this behaviour among manatees is deviant when it is the same normal behaviour that has always been witnessed?

It is easy to simply label something you don't like an illness in order to fulfill some ideological agenda.

I feel like you've made my point Hans. I think the burden is on you to prove that it is not deviant, condsidering the obvious natural "objective" of sex, reproduction.

Likewise, it is just as easy to label something that is clearly out of the norm as normal to justify deviant behavior.

 

[HansNZ]

I feel like you've made my point Hans. I think the burden is on you to prove that it is not deviant, condsidering the obvious natural "objective" of sex, reproduction.

What a bizarre world you live in ttlpkg. In this thread and in so many others we have had I have given evidence after evidence and you have offered nothing in exchange other than denial and tenuous theoretical counter-assertions which also crumble under examination.

Likewise, it is just as easy to label something that is clearly out of the norm as normal to justify deviant behavior.

Well since few people in the world are right-wing conservatives and the vast majority of the rest of the world operates with values totally different to your own (often socialist/collectivist values - 1.3 billion in China alone) then you are abnormal and therefore wrong. You are a deviant.

The weight of evidence is so totally against you, it is you that carries the burden of proof. Everytime I make a point, citing facts, you take some unproven (and often unprovable) theoretical position and assert that it is true without credible evidence proving it.

You are somewhat like some Muslims who refuse to accept Bin Laden is guilty of anything. "Americans are just trying to scapegoat Islam" is what they will tell you. Releasing a videotape with him actually saying he is responsible is just shrugged off as propaganda because certain people have already made up their minds and THAT is THAT. You have a religious agenda, and because you think your opinions are those of God then all debate is over.

 

[Norman Bates]

I think most men are hetero and that makes hetero the norm,does it?
BTW. just because something isn´t in the norm doesn´t make it wrong.

 

[HansNZ]

i have gotten more green karma for this thread...its a shame that whoever feels the same as me does not have the balls to speak up....

Are you TOTALLY delusional?

Anti-homosexuals are so vocal on EF that it defies belief! This is the most homophobic environment i have EVER been in in my entire life. It makes high school look like a bastion of love and tolerance.

Not only are people incredibly vocal against homosexuality on threads, but I get ENDLESS numbers of anonymous gay bashing karma messages on a daily basis.

The USA is the most conservative society in the Western world. I cannot believe how 1950s the attitudes of Americans are. This site is full of 20 year olds who have the sort of opinions you'd only find among red necked 70 year old men in my country.

In fact this is the only gay themed thread I have been a part of on EF that hasn't been full-on hate mongering, gay-hate inciting harrassment.