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Age you started HRT?

What age did you start HRT?

  • 20-25

    Votes: 43 8.8%

  • 25-30

    Votes: 53 10.9%

  • 30-35

    Votes: 74 15.2%

  • 35-40

    Votes: 107 22.0%

  • 40+

    Votes: 208 42.8%
  • Total voters
    486
patsfan1379

patsfan1379

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I'm just taking an overall poll. I'm suspecting symptoms I'm having are related to hormonal imbalances. But I'm young... 25. I've got all the symptoms, but its hard for me to believe I could be THAT messed up.

I've done 2 cycles before, dbol/test & test/fina... PCT was shaky at best both times, but it was over 1.5 years ago!!!
 
I started at 35 and could have started 5 years earlier. Gear made me realize I was fucked up. Head injuries growing up caused it. Glad I took the step!
 
20 for me bro. My doctor said im not alone and many guys in there early 20's have low test levels. He put me on 200mg test enanthate eow. Funny thing is my levels have not changed much but i feel much better.

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I’m 44, 5’8 190lb, having tested in the low T range recently 2.2ml/mg I’m thinking about HRT.
The clinics are outrageous $$$ so I’ll probably go it alone.
I do lift a couple of times weekly and about the same cardio.
I’m thinking about 8-10wks w/ Testosterone Cypionate or Sustanon @250ml.
I also know I need to use hcg/clomid or hcg/nolvadex for recovery.
I know to start the clomid a week after my last shot, and HCG the last two weeks of the cycle.
This would be a first cycle. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
yea, "go it alone" was a bad term.

My physician is hip. He didn’t really like it much and gave me the ole …as your doctor I advise against it speech. But then agreed to do blood work when I needed to.
I didn’t look at allthings but did talk to a different, very popular clinic on the web. They don’t do insurance and I just don’t see paying $1200 for something I can get for $200.
But I’ll check those guys out, I would prefer to be legal 
 
chyllaxyn said:
yea, "go it alone" was a bad term.

My physician is hip. He didn’t really like it much and gave me the ole …as your doctor I advise against it speech. But then agreed to do blood work when I needed to.
I didn’t look at allthings but did talk to a different, very popular clinic on the web. They don’t do insurance and I just don’t see paying $1200 for something I can get for $200.
But I’ll check those guys out, I would prefer to be legal 
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don't know where your located, but I have 3 doctors all in network and pay co-pays for everything including HGH. (in Feburary) I get my depo test for 15. and Anavar or Halo 90 day supply for under 35 bucks usually 40 to 60 mg a day. My anti- es are cheap too.

I would definately shop around it seems to get cheaper if you really look. I like you like to keep it legal
 
Sounds to me like a legal cover for getting steriods and making your insurance company pay for them. Or am I wrong?
 
naw your right. But you have to have a testicle removed first to get access to so many diffrent types of replacements. My other testicle dosen't produce enough test.
the missing testicle is key!!!
 
kaorialfred33 said:
naw your right. But you have to have a testicle removed first to get access to so many diffrent types of replacements. My other testicle dosen't produce enough test.
the missing testicle is key!!!
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Sweet, all I gotta do is clip a nut to get on the stuff!!!!! Nice...
 
I took test at the ripe age of Sixteen. Figured I was tall enough (6"1'). Now I wonder if my bones would have gotten any thicker had I not taken it. Im 21 now I just finished my second round, a deca only cycle, I think I may have hypogonadism, or just deca dick. Got my Dostinex today, hopefully I can pork my girls brains out tonight. When I'm not on some type of Test Booster/enhancer I feel like an insecure puss with no self confidence, and Im always tired. B12 has helped with the fatigue. What do you guys that need it feel like without it? Do you experience social anxiety or anything like that?
 
28 and just started it about 3 months ago. I was adding to it to give me a total of 600 mgs test/week. I will drop down to 200/week next week for 3 more months to maintain. After that it's back up again.
 
Don't go it alone guys...

go see a Urologist or Endocrinologist in your insurance network...

my cost for test injections is like $5 a shot ;)
 
I started HRT last year at 60. Had to pay out of pocket because my insurance would pay if I had diabetes or heart problems. It was worth it! I probably would have benefitted about 5 years earlier.
 
Im 30. My Doc wants to put me on HRT because my levels have been consistantly low over the last 5 years. Unlike some the idea of HRT doesnt sit all that comfortably with me. Tell me Bros does physician also prescribe you the ancillaries such as arimidex and hcg?
 
Going on HRT so soon in life would have me worried if someone were want to have kids etc... Plus the risk of cancer etc...
 
hlynur said:
Is this a normal check for a doctor to run on men in the states, yearly check up or something, or only if you complain about tiredness and some mental/identety problems.
Doctors in my country would tell me to go fuck myself (aka drink alot of water, eat nutricional food and have walks and shit like that). HRT fuck I only wished. he he
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no it is not a "normal" check per se..

things can be tested in a blood test.
 
Is this a normal check for a doctor to run on men in the states, yearly check up or something, or only if you complain about tiredness and some mental/identety problems.
Doctors in my country would tell me to go fuck myself (aka drink alot of water, eat nutricional food and have walks and shit like that). HRT fuck I only wished. he he
 
i dont know about u guys but i get crazy mood swings when my levels are low and i get social anxietys and shit anyone feel the same?
 
seasonedvet said:
I started HRT last year at 60. Had to pay out of pocket because my insurance would pay if I had diabetes or heart problems. It was worth it! I probably would have benefitted about 5 years earlier.
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Do you feel alot better? how is your recovery? My dad is 65 weight trains everyday I would like him to start hrt we have talked about it and I almost have him there. I just think it will give him a better quality of life.
 
nsashbl01 said:
I started at 35 and could have started 5 years earlier. Gear made me realize I was fucked up. Head injuries growing up caused it. Glad I took the step!
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I hear ya bro.I've had two head injuries in my days and am 35 y/o.The first one was a car accident in 1990 then I got in a fight in 1999,it was a 5 on 1 with some major boots to the melon.Although I was not knocked out,I still sustained a minor concussion.
Serial concussions are cumalative so the second one although not as severe as the first, seemed a lot worse,and the symptoms were worse and took longer to abate to reach an exeptable level of normalacy.
Insomnia,depression,anxiety and memory problems were all present,with anxiety and insomnia being the most intrusive and the last ones to dissipate.
Mixing gear makes various symtoms amplified exponentially.I'm doing pretty good lately,however I limit my intake to Test cyp@150mgs./wk and avoid all stimulants.
If you don't mind me asking,what were the causes of your head injuries? Feel free to PM me if needed.

B32
 
I've had multiple head injuries as well. Only two. The first was when I was a toddler, a fall off of a supermarket shopping cart onto the tile floor. The second was in gradeschool, a fall down two flights of stairs -- but, not down the stairs, straight off the railing and onto the concrete floor below. That one required a few weeks off from school, I was puking even water, and they made me give my phone number and name every hour throughout the night.

Think this has anything to do with my horomonal problem that showed up as early as 13?
 
61 here. Testo was down to 300, but I felt fine. MD gave me Androgel and levels climbed. Didn't really seem to make a dif in my workouts or sex life.

Went to Anti-Aging Doc then. Put me on bio-identical topical and levels again climbed. This time I went on No Fast Sugar diet and the fat fell off while muscle gained. It scared my family. :) I loved it.

I've leveled off now and application is part of my morning routine. 4 blood tests a year. Everything under a Doc's supervision and paid for by insurance.
 
nsashbl01 said:
I started at 35 and could have started 5 years earlier. Gear made me realize I was fucked up. Head injuries growing up caused it. Glad I took the step!
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Me too. I started at 37 & could have started years earlier. May have delayed my diabetes if I had. I'd been working out for close to 10 years to little effect. I'm supplementing slightly higher doses than my Doc. prescribes & bio test levels are still below optimum (low normal), but I've had better results in the last 18 mos. lifting than in the previous 10 yrs. & no, i'm not overdoing it. I'm slowly getting back in shape.
 
kaorialfred33 said:
don't know where your located, but I have 3 doctors all in network and pay co-pays for everything including HGH. (in Feburary) I get my depo test for 15. and Anavar or Halo 90 day supply for under 35 bucks usually 40 to 60 mg a day. My anti- es are cheap too.

I would definately shop around it seems to get cheaper if you really look. I like you like to keep it legal
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Bro, if you don't mind my asking, what condition do you have that makes insurance pay for your gh. I've spent a fortune on AB and Jino over the past few years and would love to get my insurance to cover it. Even a co-pay would be nice..
 
kaorialfred33 said:
don't know where your located, but I have 3 doctors all in network and pay co-pays for everything including HGH. (in Feburary) I get my depo test for 15. and Anavar or Halo 90 day supply for under 35 bucks usually 40 to 60 mg a day. My anti- es are cheap too.

I would definately shop around it seems to get cheaper if you really look. I like you like to keep it legal
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I live in North Carolina and found a doctor in the area. I'm waiting for the results of by blood work. He said he will treat with androgel or the patch. He said some come in once every two weeks for a shot of test. I didn't get the impression he would write stuff like your doc is writting. Would you be willing to ask you doc if he has any collegues in the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area. Thanks
 
B1 and Vegas. Sorry I have not paid attention to this thread. I had a few motorcycle accidents and was also hit by a car. All happenend withing a few years from age 14-16. First endo I dealt with said I had some scar tissue around my pituitary that may be the cause. Since then though I find out my 40 year old brother is also very low and he has never been a fitness guy. Also my other brother who died of a heart attack in his early 40's was low. So I'm leaning more towards hereditary. I have Diabetes and Heart issues in both sides of my family. My doc says that usually points to low test issues.
 
kaorialfred33 said:
don't know where your located, but I have 3 doctors all in network and pay co-pays for everything including HGH. (in Feburary) I get my depo test for 15. and Anavar or Halo 90 day supply for under 35 bucks usually 40 to 60 mg a day. My anti- es are cheap too.

I would definately shop around it seems to get cheaper if you really look. I like you like to keep it legal
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OK, while I've been around the blokc a time or two, I'm still always amazed at how guys are getting items such as var or halo from docs and insurnace is paying for it. I assume you have a doc that is a "friend" and is helping you, but eliminating that possibility, how on earth are you managing that. Fell free to email me if you prefer but I just can't wrap my head around it, nor have any idea on how to get a doc to do that.
 
wayneboard1 said:
OK, while I've been around the blokc a time or two, I'm still always amazed at how guys are getting items such as var or halo from docs and insurnace is paying for it. I assume you have a doc that is a "friend" and is helping you, but eliminating that possibility, how on earth are you managing that. Fell free to email me if you prefer but I just can't wrap my head around it, nor have any idea on how to get a doc to do that.
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Me, too. My urologist will willing to put me on HRT (test only) but all my doctors laughed when I asked for var or gh.
 
c gheller said:
Im 30. My Doc wants to put me on HRT because my levels have been consistantly low over the last 5 years. Unlike some the idea of HRT doesnt sit all that comfortably with me. Tell me Bros does physician also prescribe you the ancillaries such as arimidex and hcg?
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My program is Doc administered and includes:
Full blood testing
Test
HGH
Anti esto
Office visits

The dosages from a Doc are low for they want you to be within range, not on the cover of Flex. The good news is that an Anti- aging Doc wants you in the top of the range.

You are a young man so I'd recommend just some low dosage test for 4-6 weeks to see what happens. Blood test before and after, including test, free test, esto, DHT and PSA in addition to normal comprehensive analysis. Ask for copy.
 
thelion2005 said:
My program is Doc administered and includes:
Full blood testing
Test
HGH
Anti esto
Office visits

The dosages from a Doc are low for they want you to be within range, not on the cover of Flex. The good news is that an Anti- aging Doc wants you in the top of the range.good news is that an Anti- aging Doc wants you in the top of the range.

You are a young man so I'd recommend just some low dosage test for 4-6 weeks to see what happens. Blood test before and after, including test, free test, esto, DHT and PSA in addition to normal comprehensive analysis. Ask for copy.
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I started HRT almost by accident at 38. My knees and back are hosed due to damage and arthritis so I'm on pain meds for chronic pain and using a wheelchair. Had worked out regularly before the knees went, but spent last 3 years going nowhere but downhill . Physical therapy was not working worth a damn. All pain, no gain... One day my doctor at the pain clinic remembered having a patient who'd had some better results on recovery with Androgel, so she had my T tested and I went on gel. At least it was a start, but I'd have to say:

Get as many blood tests as you can before starting HRT! Neither my regular doc or pain meds doc had much experience with HRT other than testing T and writing a prescription. When I got full testing done turned out not only was the T low, but the E was high. Spent a lot of time reading up on HRT (and reading a zillion EF posts). Now I'm working with an anti-aging clinic to get the anti-e meds, Sus injections. and var to start building muscle back rather than just treading water with the Androgel (though it is handy between cycles). Workouts kicking ass.
 
SULAK said:
I started HRT almost by accident at 38. My knees and back are hosed due to damage and arthritis so I'm on pain meds for chronic pain and using a wheelchair. Had worked out regularly before the knees went, but spent last 3 years going nowhere but downhill . Physical therapy was not working worth a damn. All pain, no gain... One day my doctor at the pain clinic remembered having a patient who'd had some better results on recovery with Androgel, so she had my T tested and I went on gel. At least it was a start, but I'd have to say:

Get as many blood tests as you can before starting HRT! Neither my regular doc or pain meds doc had much experience with HRT other than testing T and writing a prescription. When I got full testing done turned out not only was the T low, but the E was high. Spent a lot of time reading up on HRT (and reading a zillion EF posts). Now I'm working with an anti-aging clinic to get the anti-e meds, Sus injections. and var to start building muscle back rather than just treading water with the Androgel (though it is handy between cycles). Workouts kicking ass.
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I think you might be EF's only wheelchair member. Regardless, very best of luck to you bro.

Hopefully your insurance will pay for you anti-aging gear cause the prices most of those clinics charge are a rip off.
 
kbrkbr said:
I think you might be EF's only wheelchair member. Regardless, very best of luck to you bro.

Hopefully your insurance will pay for you anti-aging gear cause the prices most of those clinics charge are a rip off.
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No insurance, so no HGH. On the other hand, their test,sust,winstrol,and halo prices injections are reasonable. And,

cover of legal prescription: Priceless

Doesn't mean you can't add some other "supplements"...
 
Viking850 said:
Bad ideo IMO. This is not something you want to do without proper blood work, follow up, etc. Check out www.allthingsmale.com. Very reasonable and the guy is top notch.
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I just visited this guys site...........do you just fill out the application, and he reviews it, and approves it - or does he need to actually "SEE" you in person?

Any help would be much appreciated
 
itlnstln said:
I just visited this guys site...........do you just fill out the application, and he reviews it, and approves it - or does he need to actually "SEE" you in person?
Any help would be much appreciated
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^^^ Bump on detailed info.. I'll spread some K for doing so ;)
 
sublime35 said:
I'm starting tomorrow and I'm only 18. Will be taking Androgel.
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wow... would you mind typing up how you went about this? Or was it nessesary... a quality of life thing, ect?? Inquiring minds want to know :)
 
sgtslaughter said:
wow... would you mind typing up how you went about this? Or was it nessesary... a quality of life thing, ect?? Inquiring minds want to know :)
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Well it all started out after a probably 6-7 month bout with anorexia, getting down to around 95lbs. I went back on to gaining weight, while working out hard, but seemed like I was only getting fat. Well I let it go, figured I was just putting on a little fat, oh well. Well I was never strong at all in my life, always sort of lagging behind when it came to maturing physically, was never self confident, depressed. Well fast forward back to about a year ago, I was still working out hard, diet is clean as could be, but still had a horrible time putting on muscle. I went to my doctor, whom I was seeing during my ED, and told her how I felt all the time, my troubles gaining muscle, so she did blood work.

Upon my first blood test, my total test. levels were 86. I went to an Endo., spoke to him and he wanted to run his own blood work and get a growth plate x-ray to make sure I've stopped growing. My follow up appt. after that was supposed to be on Aug. 29, the day of Hurricane Katrine, LOL and I live in Gulfport, MS and the doctors office is in Biloxi. :( I never called back, simply because I didn't think they were going to be open and was also very busy with work...(excuses, I know). Well I finally went back on Wednesday, after getting blood work done again, and my total test. levels were at 186, still very low, so he prescribes me 5g of Androgel per day and then eventually start to taper my dosage off and see if my body will start to produce it on it's own.
 
sgtslaughter said:
dang brother, good work on getting out of that rut you were in!


Been puting on weight recently?
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Thanks man.

oh yeah, I'm up to 161 now, I have no problem with putting weight on (mentally) and have never relapsed. It's just depressing sometimes with the low test. and trying to put on muscle. But started today and hopefully things will get better.
 
bump for more MD info
 
I'm 31 - and I'm just looking for more info on the doc listed in this thread. Do I have to meet him in person, or can her prescribe me HRT through a PCP?

Any help would be much appreciated.........
 
itlnstln said:
I'm 31 - and I'm just looking for more info on the doc listed in this thread. Do I have to meet him in person, or can her prescribe me HRT through a PCP?

Any help would be much appreciated.........
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I would say go see the doc. I'm sure that you'll need to get blood work done and they will definately want you to come in (so they can make more money) and discuss your options and what not.
 
thelion2005 said:
My program is Doc administered and includes:
Full blood testing
Test
HGH
Anti esto
Office visits

The dosages from a Doc are low for they want you to be within range, not on the cover of Flex. The good news is that an Anti- aging Doc wants you in the top of the range.

You are a young man so I'd recommend just some low dosage test for 4-6 weeks to see what happens. Blood test before and after, including test, free test, esto, DHT and PSA in addition to normal comprehensive analysis. Ask for copy.
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What HRt plan are you running Bro, Test anti e's etc. I was thinking to run 50mg Deca weekly along with my 250mg test. What do you think?
 
I go in this morning for my first HRT injection..I'm 52, and have been feeling crappy, moody, cranky, put on about 40 pounds in 2 years, way too much belly fat..Blood work showed total and free testosterone way way down...

His plan for me is 3 injections, 1/month/3 months, and then I'll probably go on the gel..

Dr said I'd be amazed at how much better I'll feel.. I just want it to help get the weight off..

Any similar experiences out there?

Thanks,
 
txbluzman said:
I go in this morning for my first HRT injection..I'm 52, and have been feeling crappy, moody, cranky, put on about 40 pounds in 2 years, way too much belly fat..Blood work showed total and free testosterone way way down...

His plan for me is 3 injections, 1/month/3 months, and then I'll probably go on the gel..

Dr said I'd be amazed at how much better I'll feel.. I just want it to help get the weight off..

Any similar experiences out there?

Thanks,
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Once a month? Interesting. Wonder what he is using and how much.

Androgel can really raise your test & free test levels. Make sure you have them checked via testing every three months. Won't put you on the cover of Flex, but does work.

I'd also look at your esto levels. Esto and fast sugar is giving you the weight gain. Look at the men our age in resturants ... big bellys and looking like big women. Now look at their plates. LOL

Have Doc give you prescription for Amiridex, 0.25 three times a week. This will lower esto, including any testo that converts. Get some DIM + vit E from health food store and take that also. Lowers esto.

Consider some HGH .... at least 15 iu a month. Really helps!

Diet:
Purge out all sugars, especially flour products. Read labels. A lot of your added weight is stored water. Purging fast sugars will cause your body to dump all that water.

Up the veggies and grilled animal flesh. Don't be afraid of real eggs.
 
thelion2005 said:
Once a month? Interesting. Wonder what he is using and how much.

Androgel can really raise your test & free test levels. Make sure you have them checked via testing every three months. Won't put you on the cover of Flex, but does work.

I'd also look at your esto levels. Esto and fast sugar is giving you the weight gain. Look at the men our age in resturants ... big bellys and looking like big women. Now look at their plates. LOL

Have Doc give you prescription for Amiridex, 0.25 three times a week. This will lower esto, including any testo that converts. Get some DIM + vit E from health food store and take that also. Lowers esto.

Consider some HGH .... at least 15 iu a month. Really helps!

Diet:
Purge out all sugars, especially flour products. Read labels. A lot of your added weight is stored water. Purging fast sugars will cause your body to dump all that water.

Up the veggies and grilled animal flesh. Don't be afraid of real eggs.
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Thank you for your reply.

Well, the first injection was the 'most I can give you'..I'm not exactly sure which testosterone it was. I'll ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. It was either 200 or 400mg..It took a few seconds to administer. I guess if my testosterone tank was full I'd have a better memory huh? lol..

He told me that he wanted to start out with a couple of injections to see what the injections were doing to my test levels and based on this, he'd know how much gel to prescribe.

I'm intrigued about the estrogen factor..What is DIM?

Great point about the guys our age in the restaurants...haha!
 
txbluzman said:
Thank you for your reply.

Well, the first injection was the 'most I can give you'..I'm not exactly sure which testosterone it was. I'll ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks. It was either 200 or 400mg..It took a few seconds to administer. I guess if my testosterone tank was full I'd have a better memory huh? lol..

He told me that he wanted to start out with a couple of injections to see what the injections were doing to my test levels and based on this, he'd know how much gel to prescribe.

I'm intrigued about the estrogen factor..What is DIM?

Great point about the guys our age in the restaurants...haha!
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Look in your k message. :)
 
Went on HRT at age 36. Spent about ten years drinking very heavy, when I quit in 2001 I was drinking a half gallon of whiskey every day and half. Had my test level checked it was 236 ng/dl which is low, my free test level was just in the low normal range. My Dr., looking back, only knew to test the leveland prescribe. Four years later I am still on weekly(200 mg 1cc) or bi-weekly injections(200mg 1.5cc) how I want to take them. My test levels stay quite high but normal. I am on no anti-estrogen, doctor doesnt know enough about incorporating it so he wont. I do carry alot of water now and have some face bloating due to HRT side effects. My BP stays good, blood sugar is good and cholesterol stays in range as well as liver enzymes.

I am now working with a new Dr. who just took blood monday. I told him Ineed other things with the test. He seems to be willing to work with me on things, we'll see.

I am a fairly massive individual at 290,lots of muscle mass, probably 20% BF. ANY tips on anti-estrogen meds and HCG doses would be greatly appreciated.
 
BigJohn308 said:
Went on HRT at age 36. Spent about ten years drinking very heavy, when I quit in 2001 I was drinking a half gallon of whiskey every day and half. Had my test level checked it was 236 ng/dl which is low, my free test level was just in the low normal range. My Dr., looking back, only knew to test the leveland prescribe. Four years later I am still on weekly(200 mg 1cc) or bi-weekly injections(200mg 1.5cc) how I want to take them. My test levels stay quite high but normal. I am on no anti-estrogen, doctor doesnt know enough about incorporating it so he wont. I do carry alot of water now and have some face bloating due to HRT side effects. My BP stays good, blood sugar is good and cholesterol stays in range as well as liver enzymes.

I am now working with a new Dr. who just took blood monday. I told him Ineed other things with the test. He seems to be willing to work with me on things, we'll see.

I am a fairly massive individual at 290,lots of muscle mass, probably 20% BF. ANY tips on anti-estrogen meds and HCG doses would be greatly appreciated.
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My anti-esto is amiridex. I take 0.25mg T Th Sat.
You really aren't on that much HRT for your size.

I think with the addition of 0.5 mg T Th (because of your size)
you might even loss some "bloat".

Diet? I lost a lot water and fat when I pulled out all my fast sugars and ate only veggies for my carbs. Helped all my measured levels. Maybe the drinking ran up your insulin? It's sugar, yes?

Don't know about HCG. I am big fan of HGH. Ask the Doc about that.
 
thelion2005 said:
My anti-esto is amiridex. I take 0.25mg T Th Sat.
You really aren't on that much HRT for your size.

I think with the addition of 0.5 mg T Th (because of your size)
you might even loss some "bloat".

Diet? I lost a lot water and fat when I pulled out all my fast sugars and ate only veggies for my carbs. Helped all my measured levels. Maybe the drinking ran up your insulin? It's sugar, yes?

Don't know about HCG. I am big fan of HGH. Ask the Doc about that.
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I appreciate your response. I am interested in the "fast sugars" thing. I am going to look further into that. I will ask my doctor today about teh arimidex and HCG. Do you prefer weekly or bi-weekly injections? and why? Thanks again.
 
txbluzman said:
He told me that he wanted to start out with a couple of injections to see what the injections were doing to my test levels and based on this, he'd know how much gel to prescribe.

I'm intrigued about the estrogen factor..What is DIM?

Great point about the guys our age in the restaurants...haha!
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Outr of interest are you from America or Europe? A oncea month is avery poor routine and will not ell much. Why? because your T levels will be on a rollercoaster with this kind of treatment. You will start of too high and finish irritable with very low levels.
Typically you should be started with androgel 50mgs and levels taken after 4 weeks to see if you need more or if there are any problems. If the gel is not sufficient then injections should be introduced at 100mg once a week for much steadier levels and monitored. HCG should also be intoduced.
If you check out AACE guidleines you will see a once a month injection is not recommended any more
 
thelion2005 said:
My anti-esto is amiridex. I take 0.25mg T Th Sat.
You really aren't on that much HRT for your size.

I think with the addition of 0.5 mg T Th (because of your size)
you might even loss some "bloat".

Diet? I lost a lot water and fat when I pulled out all my fast sugars and ate only veggies for my carbs. Helped all my measured levels. Maybe the drinking ran up your insulin? It's sugar, yes?

Don't know about HCG. I am big fan of HGH. Ask the Doc about that.
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I'm 49 how much hgh i've done test in past and have been doing 200 mg per week for about 16 weeks liquidex .5 every day but don't think i need that much, i'm going to do pct hcg500 mg every 2 days 30 days with nolva 20 mg's per day with it. then get blood done and ask about hgh. is 2 iu per day a good amount
 
Started HRT at age 38. 1iuGH 5 days on 2 off. Test cyp 300mgs 1.5ml
a week. I have added Decca on my own at 250 mgs 1ml week. My anti e
is arimidex .5 every other day. I take in 250 grams protein a day. My PCT
is HCG 1000 a day for a week. I usually take a shot about half way through
cycle to give nuts some size back.

I have noticed increase in labido. ie morning woodies. :p The decca seems to
really help sore shoulder during training. I think my test levels were not that
low,650, but the lack energy and high estrogen count made me decide to go
ahead. I feel great on the gear! It can be tough to come off but Im not ready
to sterilize myself. I believe the person here on yearly and no anti e is
just waiting to grow breasts if that hasnt already happened. 300 lbs with
Double D's doesnt interest me!

Bloodwork,diet,anti-est,pct, and excercise must all come into play here. If
not your wasting your time and money. How much money is worth your health? You cant even compare the two. Get an anti aging doctor and pay
his price. Unless you would have a doctor guessing at what he should be prescribing you. Anti aging M.D.'s know their shit. Dont cut yourself short
with an idiot doctor trying to guess at these administrations. He's exprimenting with your body. FUCK THAT!!!!
 
I just turned 46 and the doctor finally put me on the patch. Any feedback out there as to how effective this is. It's only been a week and I'm already growing tired of the patch.
 
33

First blood work my test was about 231 and was put on patch. Made my skin break out at location and went to androgel 1%. Was only able to bring up test level to about 445 and still had sexual functions at half par. Went to depo-t to about 200/mg everyother week. Good thing about dr is he advisesd me to get in the gym to help out with health (high blood pressure, high cholest). I did and indeed it did lower them. Told dr i was recovering very slow though and he increase my depo-t to 200/mg a week and now insurance is paying for everything including pct and hcg. Growing like a weed!!
 
mezaim said:
33

First blood work my test was about 231 and was put on patch. Made my skin break out at location and went to androgel 1%. Was only able to bring up test level to about 445 and still had sexual functions at half par. Went to depo-t to about 200/mg everyother week. Good thing about dr is he advisesd me to get in the gym to help out with health (high blood pressure, high cholest). I did and indeed it did lower them. Told dr i was recovering very slow though and he increase my depo-t to 200/mg a week and now insurance is paying for everything including pct and hcg. Growing like a weed!!
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wow, thats great! whats your fertility like?
 
might be starting ...
am 23 hav alll the symptoms done a few big cycles in the past with shitty pct ..didnt really notice the symptoms until about a year and a half after my last cycle

got my blood tests done and test results came back as in the normal range except for prolactin which was slightly elevated

been basically feelin shitty ,depressed ,anxious, moody, low libido, girly etc etc ..

Endo put me on dostinex as i had slightly elevated prolactin levels and also on arcalion to figure out if my low sex drive was related to hpta and dopamine levels thou it did increasse energy levels (alcalion) it wasnt much help with the libido... was on arcalion (sulbatimine) treatment for 3 mths .

after this i was put on a SSRI (sertraline) for another 3 weeks to check wether depression was the cause of low sex drive etc ...no change with this either

now im on andriol testocaps (testosterone undecanoate) 40mg twice a day for 2weeks
and todays the 9th day. libido ,mood and wellbeings improved a bit ...much more than with all the other treatments iv taken (libido being the main factor)

will be seeing the endo in a few days...not sure what he has planned
maybe i might hav to take TRT but hope i can do a high dose hcg ,clomid ,nolvadex cycle to bring my balls back on line...any suggestions?

if he does put me one trt ill prob make him giv me 100mg/wk of enanthate with hcg every week..acc to what iv read,,,lets see
 
Did my first cycle at age 47,


Been on gear most of the past 5 years, currently 56
Have not started HRT yet.

November cycle looks like this:

D-bol from Russia
Primo
Test
Fina/Tren
Winny


I know the dosage, PCT, Anti-E, any GEAR I should add? Any gear that would help this cycle?

I think I will investigate homebrewing before I investigate HRT
 
solidspine said:
Did my first cycle at age 47,


Been on gear most of the past 5 years, currently 56
Have not started HRT yet.

November cycle looks like this:

D-bol from Russia
Primo
Test
Fina/Tren
Winny


I know the dosage, PCT, Anti-E, any GEAR I should add? Any gear that would help this cycle?

I think I will investigate homebrewing before I investigate HRT
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Bro, doesn't winny kill your joints? Tears my joints up. Especially at our age.
 
Started last week at 31-years-old, 5g of AndroGel daily.

Tried to get on HRT for two years through my HMO, Kaiser. Countless blood tests, referrals and bullshit. Testo levels tested between 280-400. They kept saying that normal was 300-1200 so I didn't qualify. I once hit 550-ish on a 10mg 2 week superdrol cycle.

Finally gave them the boot and switched providers. 2 dr visits along with a 250ng/dl and 400 ng/dl (3 weeks of taking Cissus RX) testo blood test, he wrote me a script for a years worth of 5g AndroGel. I go back in a couple of weeks for another blood test to see if anything should be adjusted or modified. Also in for a MRI scan in a few weeks to check my head out (motorcycle accidents, etc)

Two things I am trying to figure out:

1) Should I ask my dr for anything else? Amiridex? HCG?

2) Should I cut my AndroGel in half for a few days before my next blood test to lower my testo in hopes of getting on something stronger? I get the sense he's not interested in bringing my testosterone to the higher normal levels (1000-1200) like I'd like, but closer to 500-600. Or is that just not worth it?

Currently my strength has climbed about 5-10%, I've gained about 5 lbs (mostly water since I'm blurring now) and I've been feeling more driven and focused since I started.

-Blesum
 
thelion2005 said:
61 here. Testo was down to 300, but I felt fine. MD gave me Androgel and levels climbed. Didn't really seem to make a dif in my workouts or sex life.

Went to Anti-Aging Doc then. Put me on bio-identical topical and levels again climbed. This time I went on No Fast Sugar diet and the fat fell off while muscle gained. It scared my family. :) I loved it.

I've leveled off now and application is part of my morning routine. 4 blood tests a year. Everything under a Doc's supervision and paid for by insurance.
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who's your insurance carrier? blue cross?? (i hope)
 
correcte previous update:
31, sexual functions started to diminish and just hit bottom. Doctor prescribed 5% andro which did nothing and now take 250mg every other week now. Feel better and started to gain strength and muscle. Sex drive was still a little low so I started taking Dostinex and sex drive shot through the roof. Now the kitty runs from me!
 
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mezaim said:
correcte previous update:
31, sexual functions started to diminish and just hit bottom. Doctor prescribed 5% andro which did nothing and now take 250mg every other week now. Feel better and started to gain strength and muscle. Sex drive was still a little low so I started taking Dostinex and sex drive shot through the roof. Now the kitty runs from me!
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Wow, good to hear man!
 
If your doc is going to manage your T levels, he or she should manage and monitor your E levels as well. By default through aromatase activity, T breaks down to E in the body. If you have high levels of T and equally proporionate high levels of E, your TRT program will likely not give you many of the touted benefits of TRT. My doc presribes Arimidex for me, and I think that any doc should build in a testicle rehab segment of a TRT program. HMG really is more effective in testicle rehab, and it like HCG is distilled from human female urine-so it should be dirt cheap.

Just dont let your doc say that the HCG is for fertility-it seems to give the drug companies and health plans a reason to charge you more or not give you coverage for that item.
 
does blue cross generaly cover hrt? im 35 been out of the gym due to ruptured triceps tendons and have all the symptoms of needing hrt.I am in a small northern california town no endo/life extension docs close by, any suggestions?
 
64.

Androgel 5mg. and Novaldex XT to block high elevated Estroidals when on Androgel alone. Latest blood test was Tesosterone 1200 and Estroidals 45.

Back in the dark ages competed on the big stage and did a decade long run on gear. Used it all but could have stayed with Decca and Equipoise alone and been satisfied.
 
mezaim said:
correcte previous update:
31, sexual functions started to diminish and just hit bottom. Doctor prescribed 5% andro which did nothing and now take 250mg every other week now. Feel better and started to gain strength and muscle. Sex drive was still a little low so I started taking Dostinex and sex drive shot through the roof. Now the kitty runs from me!
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any anti es with the test? No hgh?
 
chyllaxyn said:
yea, "go it alone" was a bad term.

My physician is hip. He didn’t really like it much and gave me the ole …as your doctor I advise against it speech. But then agreed to do blood work when I needed to.
I didn’t look at allthings but did talk to a different, very popular clinic on the web. They don’t do insurance and I just don’t see paying $1200 for something I can get for $200.
But I’ll check those guys out, I would prefer to be legal 
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The clinic I am using charges $150 for the phlebotomy and they draw the blood directly from your home or work. Their therapy programs are top notch with great prices.
 
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