advise on aTest Enanthate and Primobolan as a 1st cycle

[Om3kh]

Hello guys,

I'm 28 years old, i have been training for 4 years now, and last year i feel i'm not growing in muscles size no matter which type of diet i'm on (high protien alone, high carbs and high fat even), what was changing is body fat.
the measures now:
i'm 173 CM tall,
82 Kg weight.
Fat percentage around 18% i was trying to bulk with more protein and complex crabs last two month.

I'd like to know what you think as experts about this cycle that I've made for myself with whatever was available around me:
Wk1 Test enanthate 500 + Primobolan 200
Wk2 Test enanthate 500 + Primobolan 300
Wk3 Test enanthate 500 + Primobolan 300
Wk4 Test enanthate 500 + Primobolan 300
Wk5 Test enanthate 500 + Primobolan 300
Wk6 Test Propinate 300 + Primo 300
Wk7 Test Propinate 300 + Primo 300
Wk8 Test Propinate 300 + Primo 200

PCT: HCG 1500 every 3 days 2 weeks.
Nolvadex 40 first week then 20 for 4 weeks
Clomid 1 first week and then 0.5 for 4 weeks.

alot of bodybuilders in here were advising me to go on 750 test a week and some 1000, some asked me to take deca and some to take db, some trenbolone ... etc.

But after all my research i felt this might be the best.

if you can share me an advise or experiment you've been through that can help, it will be highly appreciated.

Thanks guys
Omr

 

[buddhabuilder]

I am a big fan of the "less is more" approach to AAS. Even more so now after a couple of years and getting things more complicated, and comparing the results. So, the break down;

It is best to introduce no more than one AAS per cycle. This way you will know if you are having unwanted sides, what it is from, and to avoid it in the future.

This is a marathon, not a sprint. Your first cycle should be 12 weeks of Test E at 500mg a week. Throw in an oral kick start if you must, but either way, it will be one of the best cycles that you will reflect back on. (To tell the truth, this is my plan for my next cycle starting in January.) There is plenty of time to add other supps in the future.

As far as the PCT, I'm cool with the HCG during the 2 week cruise, and the clomid following at 50/25/25/25, but you will need some natural test boosters to get your system in line. I prefer the Unleashed/Post Cycle stack. Throw in some Forma Stanzol or one of the new products here.

Also, get bloods before you start and again 4 weeks after PCT to see where you are at.

 

[Cali72]

Nothing wrong with a test/primo first cycle but your layout is all over the place.. Do some research.

 

[acanto]

My first cycle was just a simple test e and dbols (6 weeks) and carried on the test for 12 weeks. And i had the best gains actually. It was simple and especially when its your first cycle your body will react and will blow up. But its what you prefer. Just like Buddhabuilder says its a marathon!

Just my 2 cents

 

[RickRock13]

I am a big fan of the "less is more" approach to AAS. Even more so now after a couple of years and getting things more complicated, and comparing the results. So, the break down;

It is best to introduce no more than one AAS per cycle. This way you will know if you are having unwanted sides, what it is from, and to avoid it in the future.

This is a marathon, not a sprint. Your first cycle should be 12 weeks of Test E at 500mg a week. Throw in an oral kick start if you must, but either way, it will be one of the best cycles that you will reflect back on. (To tell the truth, this is my plan for my next cycle starting in January.) There is plenty of time to add other supps in the future.

As far as the PCT, I'm cool with the HCG during the 2 week cruise, and the clomid following at 50/25/25/25, but you will need some natural test boosters to get your system in line. I prefer the Unleashed/Post Cycle stack. Throw in some Forma Stanzol or one of the new products here.

Also, get bloods before you start and again 4 weeks after PCT to see where you are at.

This is some good advice. You don't need anything more than test for that first cycle

 

[Om3kh]

Nothing wrong with a test/primo first cycle but your layout is all over the place.. Do some research.

Thanks Cali, but what does it mean that layout is all over the place, when i thought this might be good, i was checking articles saying taking the Primo must be at very high dosage like above 600 or 800 weekly even for beginner.
Overall what I've seen that many were suggesting lower amount of test and higher amount of Primo.
but reading the Primo profile, thought mixing it with Test would maybe will lessen the water retention and help look leaner as the cycle gets over.

 

[Om3kh]

Thanks alot guys, Buddhabuilder and Rickrock.

Though i bought the whole stack, I've started using now the Test alone, the Primo ill save it for my next cycle if things go well with my current one.

I'm gonna quote the Buddha builder for anyone in the gym asking me about AAS.

 

[Om3kh]

My first cycle was just a simple test e and dbols (6 weeks) and carried on the test for 12 weeks. And i had the best gains actually. It was simple and especially when its your first cycle your body will react and will blow up. But its what you prefer. Just like Buddhabuilder says its a marathon!

Just my 2 cents

Thanks for the reply, i noticed Dbols is required to see quick change as the cycle starts.
But at my gym i've seen some guys who used it, so while on cycle they look like filled with water, once cycle over they shrink pretty much.

 

[silentrevolver]

Dude, some people have made the comment of your cycle being all over the place and to a certain extent I have to agree. Your test dosing is a bit quirky, switching from an Enanthate to Prop ester is a bit weird, especially since Test E usually takes 5 weeks to reach peak levels. For an 8 week cycle you should just pin prop throughout. If you wanna ease into the pinning regime then I suggest you try something like Sustanon where you have a mix of different esters.

Also Primo at 300mg EW is rather pointless. From what I understand there isnt much legit primo around and to get the effect you want you may need to run it up to 500mg EW. Why bother when you Test alone can achieve what you wanna achieve?

One thing I would watch out is your bf level. It is a bit high to be getting into a cycle. You will be safer and see much better results if you drop 3% bf first.


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[Om3kh]

Dude, some people have made the comment of your cycle being all over the place and to a certain extent I have to agree. Your test dosing is a bit quirky, switching from an Enanthate to Prop ester is a bit weird, especially since Test E usually takes 5 weeks to reach peak levels. For an 8 week cycle you should just pin prop throughout. If you wanna ease into the pinning regime then I suggest you try something like Sustanon where you have a mix of different esters.

Also Primo at 300mg EW is rather pointless. From what I understand there isnt much legit primo around and to get the effect you want you may need to run it up to 500mg EW. Why bother when you Test alone can achieve what you wanna achieve?

One thing I would watch out is your bf level. It is a bit high to be getting into a cycle. You will be safer and see much better results if you drop 3% bf first.


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Thanks bro, I'm glad that i have asked in here, at least things more clear.

Now, i'm gonna run with only test e for 10 weeks @ 500 weekly, then 2 weeks before starting the PCT.

The Primo i got it from Turkey, it was a bit expensive, which i better save it for future cycles as been advised.

I'll be into 50/40/10 protein crabs fat diet. which i hope gonna work with the cycle and the fat level, as i have started the cycle..