Adding letro to my pct. (currently nolva/clomid) HELP!!!!

[musclehealth]

Im in pct from a 350mg week test suspension cycle. I am starting to see signs of gyno coming quick. IM currently running Clomid/Nolva at high doses for the first week. (300mg clomid, 50mg nolva). Then dropped down after mid week. I have a bottle of letro sitting around. Can I add it to the PCT to help with the gyno? I read that you should not mix nolva a letro. True? I was thinking to drop the nolva and add 2.5mg letro ED for 4 weeks.

Thanks guys!!!!

 

[njmuscleguy]

those are some pretty hefty SERM dosages dude... I don't think there's any worry about running nolva and letro.... run the letro until the gyno subsides.... you should just be able to get away with just nolva and letro (or just clomid and letro)... plus, you should've been using an AI all along, throughout your PCT

 

[musclehealth]

those are some pretty hefty SERM dosages dude... I don't think there's any worry about running nolva and letro.... run the letro until the gyno subsides.... you should just be able to get away with just nolva and letro (or just clomid and letro)... plus, you should've been using an AI all along, throughout your PCT

I was running letro during cycle...@ 2.5mg ed

 

[macrophage69alpha]

run the letro, drop the nolva. Lower your clomid to 50mg/day.

there is no reason to frontload and it just increases sides.

you will want to taper with a steroidal AI, reccomend aromasin or AIFM.


when did you stop using the letro? when did gyno signs begin to appear?

 

[musclehealth]

run the letro, drop the nolva. Lower your clomid to 50mg/day.

there is no reason to frontload and it just increases sides.

you will want to taper with a steroidal AI, reccomend aromasin or AIFM.


when did you stop using the letro? when did gyno signs begin to appear?

I stopped the letro 2 days before pct. I will do this...

run 50mg clomid, 2.5mg letro ed for 4 weeks. Taper down with a AI? aromasin?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that does not really answer the questions, since what was needed was time between cessation of letrozole and time that symptoms appeared (to determine if this a letro rebound issue).


your protocols look fine. though would run the letro for three weeks then switch. you can use a lower dosage until you feel you dont need it anymore (low dose steroidal AI's can be run for extended periods without issue)

 

[musclehealth]

that does not really answer the questions, since what was needed was time between cessation of letrozole and time that symptoms appeared (to determine if this a letro rebound issue).


your protocols look fine. though would run the letro for three weeks then switch. you can use a lower dosage until you feel you dont need it anymore (low dose steroidal AI's can be run for extended periods without issue)

I think coming off the letro is what did it. I came off the letro 2 days before PCT. a couple days after dropping the letro I started seeing signs. So you are saying this....Run letro for 3 weeks them taper off with an AI like aromasin or aifm. This will prevent a so called "crash" from the letro?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

yes.

its not so much a crash as it is a rebound, letro levels drop and because letrozole upregulates aromatase. estrogen CAN, not necessarily will, spike because of greater aromatase levels.

 

[njmuscleguy]

wow, gyno appeared after only 2 days of stopping letro.... dayum!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

with suspension you get an immeadiate drop in androgen levels, its not surprising.

thats one benefit of esterfied test (you still get some small amounts released well beyond 3 half lives (not suppresive but still keeping some T and DHT in the system)

 

[musclehealth]

once more to make sure this is correct...

50mg clomid ED 1-4 weeks
Letro 2.5mg ED 1-(till bottle is empty, maybe week 4)

Start aromasin or AIFM before I drop the letro so it will be kicked in.
Run it for 3 weeks (aifm 1 squirt in morning, 2 night) or 12.5mg aromasin ed.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

thats fine.

would run 1 pump AM and 1 pump PM if using AIFM, you can run for 3 weeks or until you feel you no longer need it.

if you notice dry joints or lowering libido with the letro, cut the dosage back or switch over sooner.

12.5mg is fine with aromasin, you can always adjust your dosage up or down to suit your individual needs (goes for letro (though takes longer to see changes), aromasin or aifm)

 

[musclehealth]

thats fine.

would run 1 pump AM and 1 pump PM if using AIFM, you can run for 3 weeks or until you feel you no longer need it.

if you notice dry joints or lowering libido with the letro, cut the dosage back or switch over sooner.

12.5mg is fine with aromasin, you can always adjust your dosage up or down to suit your individual needs (goes for letro (though takes longer to see changes), aromasin or aifm)

Thanks for all your help! Last time I used AIFM I got bad rashes. I later found out that it was not the AIFM but some meds the doc had me on. I threw away an almost new bottle. Will be ordering more when I get the cash(college sucks). Thanks bro.

 

[bigjd69]

AIFM is GREAT product

 

[NURSEPIMP]

Great stuff guys!!
I just ordered Letro, glad I read this..

-NP

 

[Reubsf]

I have read studies published on the Internet that show that when Letrozole is combined with Tamoxifen blood levels of the Letrozole are reduced by 30-something%. This surprised me because one of the more popular gyno fighting protocols discussed here on EF involved combining the 2 meds. But, then again, maybe the studies I read somehow don't apply to gyno...? Either way, just saying what I read and not in anyway claiming to know this for fact.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no... they do apply, however at the doses that people run its not all that relevant. In this case it may have hastened the metabolism of letro upon cessation.

letro alone is quite effective, too effective for many (though if you need high level suppression its hard to beat). Unless you have xenoestrogen issues, there is no reason to take nolva as well. If you are or have been using a progestin, do not take nolva.