Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below First thing I did actually. The policy says an employee is not to traffic, posess, or use alcohol or "any controlled substance" on company property as well as not to report to work under the influence of alchohol or "any controlled substance". This covers all the bases since the govt made AAS schedule III, controlled substance. I am sure it mostly the policy was meant to pertain to the usual 5 recreational drugs and alcohol but at the same time it covers any controlled substance. It also states a manager can report an employee to HR for suspicion of using alcohol or a controlled substance and the employee would be asked to take a drug screen and or search of self and company work area. If the employee refuses, they are subject to immediate termination. I would be willing to bet this would be their first case of steroid "abuse" if their even is such a thing and may cause them to take much longer in pulling me in. I think I am in the clear and probably just over reacting though. Even if they do pull me in by the time they figure out what to do, I will be in the clear if I am not already t/e ratio wise.
AAS Testing question....not pre-employment
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nautica
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cyclops said:
I persoally do not think sustanon would be detectable for up to 3 months. Not really sure where they came up with that. The longer a test has to build up in your system the longer it will take for you t/e ratios to be back to normal - so maybe if you were taking extremely high amounts for an extremely long period of time then maybe your t/e ratios would be high for an extended period.
nautica
If they do test you, and you have taken something like deca or Eq in the past that may still show up after many months, just be sure to list a pro hormone on the form when they ask you to list every drug, perscription or over the counter that you have taken recently. This will at least give you an explination of why you have that substance in your system. Pro hormones are still LEGAL, and if you list them, it may give you a way out. I know of several people that this helped out. Good luck!
I think I am cool. I haven't been on in 2 years and like I said, I took one Omna amp 8 days ago so I should be ok and plus I think maybe I was paranoid or over reacting. Thanks for everyone's help. I have learned a wealth of information and next time I will be moreducated and careful when I decided to go back on.
Syphonfilter
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Fina is a derivative of nandrolone and that is what would show up on the test if you took that easy.
Nautica, I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you and I fully agree that exogenous test can't be detected, however, I have been told and have heard that esters can be tested for. Besides if he took Omna, the slowest release ester would be kept for what, about three weeks and then be separated from the molecule? If they can do all this stuff with drug testing technology, why can't they detect esters. Hell, test prop supposedly is detectable for up to two weeks, but within three days or so, test levels return to normal, so how can this be detectable either? See what I'm asking?
Oh, and this was taking from an IOC article on http://blues.uab.es/olympic.studies/doping/segura.htm
"Testosterone is usually administered as testosterone enanthate or as one of many other esters. These compounds were supposed to hydrolyse rapidly and completely in the body to release free testosterone. Modern methodology now allows us to determine that small amounts remain in the body for a long time. The finding of such compounds (exogenous: not existing in our body) in the blood would be indicative of testosterone administration (de la Torre X., et al., 199.).
It is possible to establish a list of generally accepted scientific facts that should be the basis for a rational approach to the problem of detection and confirmation of cases of testosterone doping. Those premises can be listed as follows:
1. T/E ratio in urine is fairly stable in a given individual
2. External testosterone administration disturbs some selected parameters such as T/17OHP in blood plasma and T/E in urine. The T/LH ratio both in blood plasma and urine is also affected. Many other markers have been studied in both plasma and urine but they have offered less definitive results.
3. The finding of esters of testosterone in blood plasma demonstrates testosterone administration"
Nautica, I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you and I fully agree that exogenous test can't be detected, however, I have been told and have heard that esters can be tested for. Besides if he took Omna, the slowest release ester would be kept for what, about three weeks and then be separated from the molecule? If they can do all this stuff with drug testing technology, why can't they detect esters. Hell, test prop supposedly is detectable for up to two weeks, but within three days or so, test levels return to normal, so how can this be detectable either? See what I'm asking?
Oh, and this was taking from an IOC article on http://blues.uab.es/olympic.studies/doping/segura.htm
"Testosterone is usually administered as testosterone enanthate or as one of many other esters. These compounds were supposed to hydrolyse rapidly and completely in the body to release free testosterone. Modern methodology now allows us to determine that small amounts remain in the body for a long time. The finding of such compounds (exogenous: not existing in our body) in the blood would be indicative of testosterone administration (de la Torre X., et al., 199.).
It is possible to establish a list of generally accepted scientific facts that should be the basis for a rational approach to the problem of detection and confirmation of cases of testosterone doping. Those premises can be listed as follows:
1. T/E ratio in urine is fairly stable in a given individual
2. External testosterone administration disturbs some selected parameters such as T/17OHP in blood plasma and T/E in urine. The T/LH ratio both in blood plasma and urine is also affected. Many other markers have been studied in both plasma and urine but they have offered less definitive results.
3. The finding of esters of testosterone in blood plasma demonstrates testosterone administration"
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