Aas Newbie Seeking Critique

[digital duck]

newbie considering stacking:

weeks 1-12: 400mg. equpoise
weeks 1-12: 300mg. winnie

GOALS: 20lbs.+ of new shredded muscle, keepable gains, minimal side, little-to-no gyno/water retention.

STATS: 6' 2", 225lbs, 10% body fat, 3 years serious training.

4500 calories pd (35% pro., 55% carbs, 10% fat)

should i addition any post AAS therapy? If so what?

ANY KNOWLEDGABLE ADVICE GREATLY APPRICIATED!!!

 

[satchboogie]

runnin winny for 12 weeks is very stressful on the liver.

i would use winny the last 4 weeks only, and would jumpstart the cycle with some dbols or anadrol the first 3 weeks.

bump eq up to 600-800mg.

 

[digital duck]

Could I Jumpstart Cycle With Test For 3 Weeks? Dont Want To Take Orals.

 

[satchboogie]

how about doing some research first!!!

and read this when you get a chance:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3542042#post3542042

 

[digital duck]

I've Done Lots Of Research. I Actually Picked This Cycle From
"anabolics 2002" By William Llewellyn.

I Read Your Attachment.....

"what Is Your Point"......... "you Too Were Once A Newbie"

 

[satchboogie]

look up these terms dude:

frontloading
jumpstart
newbie questions do's and dont's
research pays off
dont waste people's time

 

[Naeblis]

I'd suggest Mag-10 instead but it looks like they discontinued it.

 

[Captain Planet]

First of all, don't run a 17-aa steroid for 12 weeeks, its hard on the liver. Second, you won't be able to start PCT for a while if you run EQ for 12 weeks, not saying that it is a bad idea, but maybe something to consider. Perhaps shorter esters would be good your first time around.

I would add test to that cycle. Without testosterone you will notice your energy fades fast, plus ur willy won't work . Besides, its the best AAS on the planet for gaining mass. Everyone worries about the sides, but you have to ask yourself-Are a few side effects for a few weeks worth 20lbs of muscle to me? If no, don't use AAS, you cannot use a stack potent enough to gain 20lbs without experiencing some sides, unless you are just geneticlaly not prone to any, which is possible. If yes, add some test!

 

[Mavy]

You are so patient with newbies Satch! hahaha. I have a new auto response on my e-mail .. it says ...

"If you are new and starting out, please contact my good bro Satchboogie. He is more than helpfull and always excited to help any newbies, and dosent mind doing their research for them. There is nothing better to do in Turkey anyways. BTW. There is no such thing as a stupid question so ask-a-way!"

Mavy

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

Pretty much what everyone has said is true. 12 weeks of winny is very excessive, 8 weeks tops without killing your liver, 6 weeks to be safe. Also, Eq and Winny will not give you 20 pounds of quality shredded muscle as neither are huge mass builders. Maybe 10 pounds of quality muscle is realistic. For more muscle gains add Test, but you will have some bloat even with the Eq and Winny, but that would be better bang for your buck in my opinion.

 

[satchboogie]

You are so patient with newbies Satch! hahaha. I have a new auto response on my e-mail .. it says ...

"If you are new and starting out, please contact my good bro Satchboogie. He is more than helpfull and always excited to help any newbies, and dosent mind doing their research for them. There is nothing better to do in Turkey anyways. BTW. There is no such thing as a stupid question so ask-a-way!"

Mavy

 

[satchboogie]

you know..

i have no problems answering new questions or exploring new ideas.
but at some point its just gets to repetitive... same questions from different angles.
searching the archives can answer 99.9% percent of all newbie questions.

go platinum and enjoy a wealth of knowledge.

i will no longer answer any newbie questions period!

in fact, i'm starting the 'coalition against newbie stupid questions'.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

At least satch was kind enough to provide a link as to why he is fed up with stupid questions!!

 

[Optimus B]

newbie considering stacking:

weeks 1-12: 400mg. equpoise
weeks 1-12: 300mg. winnie

GOALS: 20lbs.+ of new shredded muscle, keepable gains, minimal side, little-to-no gyno/water retention.

STATS: 6' 2", 225lbs, 10% body fat, 3 years serious training.

4500 calories pd (35% pro., 55% carbs, 10% fat)

should i addition any post AAS therapy? If so what?

ANY KNOWLEDGABLE ADVICE GREATLY APPRICIATED!!!

i agree with the advice that everyone else has given thus far in that you shouldn't run the winny that long (last 6 weeks would be perfect).

given your stats, maybe consider this:
1-12 prop 150mg EOD
1-10 eq 500mg/week
6-12 winny 50mg EOD
13+ PCT:
day 1 clomid - 300mg, day 2-14 - 100mg, day 15-28 - 50 mg
nolva - 25 mg ED

also, for your diet, drop your carbs to 45% and up your fat to 20% (add some unsaturated fats, omega-3s, etc).

 

[ace6921]

in fact, i'm starting the 'coalition against newbie stupid questions'.

LOL

 

[manny78]

I'd drop the winny and take anavar instead. 30mg ED will do the job and wont create such a stress on your liver and high BP.

 

[wootoom]

ya totally var is less stressful on the liver but it is more expensive. but who cares you got to spend money on something right??

 

[manny78]

ya totally var is less stressful on the liver but it is more expensive. but who cares you got to spend money on something right??

Exactly. Like spending 200$ on a A+ hooker rather than 50$ for the average street whore. A hole is a hole but one will be a life time experience, the other one no...

 

[WolfPack Charlie]

Did you get that from your avatar Manny?