AAS at a young age (18)

[b_light]

Hey guys, i've been a member for a while but i do pretty much all my posting at muscletalk but since this was an american site and i need some info on AAS i thought it would be more beneficial to post here as the laws are completely different. Now i've been training proper for a while now, diet and whole nine yards. Now i look at some people that are 18 in compititions and they have to be on aas. now from all the research i have done pretty much everyone says wait AT LEAST till 21 if not longer to start aas. how ever, if i want to compete asap im obviously going to have to hop on the AAS train or i will not stand a chance natty against people on aas. I plan to stay natural untill around xmas becuase that would be the best time for me to start a cycle if i decide to. Now basically i just wanted some input from US members on your view on my situation. Also any USA aas info would be helpfull like fakes, etc. thanks, bryan.

 

[bca21]

people are guna say your young and you are but i tarted when i was 17 and it paid for my college(sports)

 

[CO B-man]

I see your point. Its frustrating but I will always say this. Your liver and the frontal lobe of your brain are not fully developed until sometime between the age of 23-25. You need to seriously consider what you are willing to risk! You are young right now and I am afraid at that age I was stubborn too, but, seriously consider the harm you can do. If you insist, do enough research to learn what will have the most and the very least negative affects on your underdeveloped liver first. Be safe and make the fitness community proud by not giving AAS a worse name than it already has!

 

[b_light]

I was under the impression that the only AAS that fuck up your liver are the orals which is one main reason i would want to go with injectables that have a low androgenic property(i believe) becuase im prone to acne. Already taking care of it with roaccutane just gonna take a little bit longer and it will be good to have it on hand incase i start to break out if i go on cycle. Right now i have a rough idea of what a i want to do and if i do want to go thru with it more im gonna do alot more research and find out exactly what i would run and for how long. already know about PCT and what kind of stuff i should be taking on cycle to combat the high blood pressure, and other shit that gets thrown out of wack. BBing is pretty much my life now, i live to lift day in and day out. I dont want to be a jackass like half the people you see in the gym are but at the same time im gonna have to jump on if i want to be competative.

 

[justinjones1963]

I would place money that the majority of pros started using AAS at an early age.

 

[starskulker]

I remember m first cycle I was 16. It was an anavar cycle. I was on the swim team and new nothing about steroids. I just thought If I took them I would swim faster and win my meets. After a few weeks I started "Sinking" from the new muscle mass I was gaining. Muscle doesn't float I found out. lol........

 

[b_light]

Damn pretty young... I must admit the only reason im considering this is becuase id say i actually know alot about steroids compared to your average 18 year old who when they head steroids will automatically start assuming crazy shit. Also the fact that i would have alot of online information at my disposal as well as experianced people. I must say i would be reducing the bad effects majorly seeing as i would be taking all the correct peracautions compared to some kid that picks up a bottle of oxydrol at the store and does no pct and probably drinks heavily while on it. Just looking for as much feedback as i can get really.

 

[starskulker]

The main regret I have is not knowing if I might have ended up messing with my body design at such a young age. I was still growing and developing naturally and I still wonder to this day how much better I would have developed by taking steroids AFTER I had reached my genetic potential NATURALLY.

 

[BigCracker]

people are guna say your young and you are but i tarted when i was 17 and it paid for my college(sports)

Pole dancing paid for mine, and your point?

No thuimbs up from me until you're a healthy, successful adult that pays their own bills. Until the sport you juiced for is putting food on the table you haven't proven to me that your decision was the wisest one.

The guys thar use AAS at such a young age are really selling themselves short in the long run. An 18 yr old's test levels are sky high to begin with-they don't need any extra test. The idea behind taking roids is to make the serious athlete beyond plateaus they achieved naturally. You cannot be at a plateau at age 18. Chances are most 18 yr olds lack the knowledge and discipline to truly benefit from AAS. I'm sure their are exceptions-like Lee Priest-but that's just one guy out of thousands and thousands of bodybuilders that use AAS. What are the chances of you being the next freak of nature? Close to zip me thinks. Don't let me shatter your dreams though-you could be the next phenomenon of your sport. How do I know that you are not?

 

[acneman]

a serious question that deserves a serious answer

how tall are you?
last time we had a short mr olyimia was right after arnold
if you havent reached your full height you never will after your first cycle
so short term goals will seem to hurt your long term goals.

how big are you now?
if you dont have good genetics and already pretty big you will never be a pro bodybuider i my opinion. those guys were big without juice i garuntee.

bodybuilding is my life.
at 18 dungeons and dragons was my life
at 20 martial arts was my life
at 23 playing pool for money was my life
at 30 my children were my life
at 42 still the children... hey i think i grew up at 30 guys!!!!!

are you sure that bodybuilding will be your life at 23 or 27??
do you really think that you will be able to compete at a high enough level to make it a career?
99.9 % chance you wont
think about that before you stick that first needle
and kudos to you for the good research youve done on usage but my advice is wait

 

[b_light]

Currently im on a winter bulk and am sitting at 184 (weighted my self monday). I am 6' tall and have been for 2 years now, pretty sure im not growing vertically anymore. I was already away of the growth plates sealing prematurely but im confident they already have or are close to it. I have a very good feeling that BBing will be a life time thing for me. Every single day of my life i look forward to how much more i can eat then i did yesterday and seeing if the scales will shoot up compared to the past day. I gave up drinking with my buddies, all rec drugs. I got to be around 8 or 9pm to ensure i get enough rest.

I know you dont know me on a personal level but i have never stuck to anything this long and had a drive this late in the game like i had just started the hobby or what ever it may be. It has changed my life and for the better i think. Now im started to get on a rant but its the truth.

I know im not gonna be the next olympia but i want to compete. Everyone that is competing at my age or a few years older has no chance unless they are on or have done a cycle, its just the way it is IMO.

 

[BigCracker]

a serious question that deserves a serious answer

how tall are you?
last time we had a short mr olyimia was right after arnold
if you havent reached your full height you never will after your first cycle
so short term goals will seem to hurt your long term goals.

how big are you now?
if you dont have good genetics and already pretty big you will never be a pro bodybuider i my opinion. those guys were big without juice i garuntee.

bodybuilding is my life.
at 18 dungeons and dragons was my life
at 20 martial arts was my life
at 23 playing pool for money was my life
at 30 my children were my life
at 42 still the children... hey i think i grew up at 30 guys!!!!!

are you sure that bodybuilding will be your life at 23 or 27??
do you really think that you will be able to compete at a high enough level to make it a career?
99.9 % chance you wont
think about that before you stick that first needle
and kudos to you for the good research youve done on usage but my advice is wait

Excellent post. Far too many young guys are clueless about what they want their day to day life to be like as an adult. Wanna be a pro BB? Plan on being broke and not having a life for at least 7-10 yrs-and even then you may still not have the genetic potential to compete at the state level, let alone professionally. Did you ever notice how the majority of top amateur BB's don't have jobs? How do you think they earn their $$$ for juice??? A lot of them are gay for pay-and have some rich gay guy paying all of their bills in return for sexual favors. Are you willing to cross that line to compete with the other guys that want a pro card? How can you compete against guys taking $60K worth of drugs per year that have nothing else to worry about besides training when you only make $24K a year busting your ass 40 hrs/wk at a ft job???

 

[acneman]

I know im not gonna be the next olympia but i want to compete. Everyone that is competing at my age or a few years older has no chance unless they are on or have done a cycle, its just the way it is IMO.

im not sayin dont compete and i think its great that it has had a positive impact on your life
keep doing it and skip the AAS for now and concentrate on what is really important at your age


TRIM!!!

 

[b_light]

i think you guys are taking it a little out of context. in no way do i want to compete on that large of a scale, if it happens eventually that would be great who wouldent want that? However, its not my focus. I just want to compete on a smaller level and see where it takes me. It's purely for fun and its something i enjoy more then anything else in the world.

 

[reaper99]

In all honesty bro if your gonna compete and really go through with it then maybe its all up to the user as long as you make a informed decision. Look at the october issue of muscular development magazine it has 24yr old evan centopani and there is no doubt in my mind that he is juiced to the gills and has been for a long time. He is so enormous for a 24yr old its sick especially his stretch marks <-----from some extremely quick growth.
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/gallerydetail.asp?CompetitorID=4990&ImageID=169716
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/detail.asp?CompetitorID=4990

 

[acneman]

i think you guys are taking it a little out of context. in no way do i want to compete on that large of a scale, if it happens eventually that would be great who wouldent want that? However, its not my focus. I just want to compete on a smaller level and see where it takes me. It's purely for fun and its something i enjoy more then anything else in the world.

thanks big C
as for you if your goal is not to become a pro bodybuilder then you have no business doing gear at your age. period.
go chase some girls fo gods sake.

 

[acneman]

Excellent post. Far too many young guys are clueless about what they want their day to day life to be like as an adult. Wanna be a pro BB? Plan on being broke and not having a life for at least 7-10 yrs-and even then you may still not have the genetic potential to compete at the state level, let alone professionally. Did you ever notice how the majority of top amateur BB's don't have jobs? How do you think they earn their $$$ for juice??? A lot of them are gay for pay-and have some rich gay guy paying all of their bills in return for sexual favors. Are you willing to cross that line to compete with the other guys that want a pro card? How can you compete against guys taking $60K worth of drugs per year that have nothing else to worry about besides training when you only make $24K a year busting your ass 40 hrs/wk at a ft job???

damn right and the ones that are not doin the gay thing are sellin gear and risking jail
some sell other drugs
crap its just a bad business man

 

[b_light]

thanks guys, i apreciate all the feedback so far.

 

[mikefear]

wait dude.. you want to start in 2 months?

...reconsider, bro. you have about 60 lbs to go before you need any help.

 

[b_light]

i m a bit smaller in that pic then i am now, im starting to gain more bodyfat along with the muscle now. Regardless i do think i am still pretty small but i just dont realisiticly see how i can compete against non-natural people at this age. Do you guys know of any natural compititions in new england area around my age group i could look into?

 

[mooseman]

Its great that you have been reading up on AAS information. There is a ton of good people on this board. mikefear said it best though, 60 more pounds before even thinking about AAS. Im 5ft 11 and got to 230 naturally with proper diet and exercise over a 5 year period. What is your diet like? Nutrition is the most important part of gaining muscle and AAS won't do very much without the proper fuel. I would say eat, eat and eat some more for about a year and see where you are at IMO.

Mooseman

 

[BigCracker]

i think you guys are taking it a little out of context. in no way do i want to compete on that large of a scale, if it happens eventually that would be great who wouldent want that? However, its not my focus. I just want to compete on a smaller level and see where it takes me. It's purely for fun and its something i enjoy more then anything else in the world.

All the more reason not to use AAS.

 

[BigCracker]

damn right and the ones that are not doin the gay thing are sellin gear and risking jail
some sell other drugs
crap its just a bad business man

I used to think the sport of Boxing was shady until I found out what Pro BB was like. Joe Weider makes Don King look like a saint.

 

[b_light]

My diet is very very good. I'm lazy and i dont want to type up the whole thing but trust me when i say it that its hammered. Back when i started i was just like everyother bicep boy but when i found muscletalk.co.uk those brits whipped my ass into shape. Dont know if you have ever been there but there are alot of good members there as well and they hooked me up with a good diet and its been working wonders since i started. I know the importance of the diet in BBing. I guess i just needed someone to tell me to keep doing what im doing but it pisses me off about the competing thing, its a doubble edged sword really. I have been in the game long enough to know AAS is no magic bullet, etc. but in reality if i wanted to compete at that level i would have to juice. Like i said though, are there any natural competitions in new england that anyone knows of? maybe i can aim for those untill i hit my platue.(sp?)


(damn this 600 second wait time to post, must be one of those things to piss you off and get you to pay for platinum )

 

[medical]

Give yourself 1 year and be completely dedicated to BB for that year. If you are still making gains then give yourself another year....but start gettin your gear together in that year. If you can do 2 more years natty and make reasonable gains, then still feel you want a cycle then do one. It will be a mistake and when you are 40 you will be wishing you had waited, but that is life! By that time there will most likely be a ton of things you wish you had done differently with your life!
But if you can keep working out and making gains until you are 22 (same time frame to get a college degree!) then by all means jump in!
BTW I was 27 when I did my first cycle. I am 43 now and just started back on after 13 years off. When you are my age you will finally appreciate the testosterone you have coursing through your veins now! Enjoy it 'cause it don't last, brother!

 

[bca21]

big cracker im not suggesting it or going to be the next barry bonds but you no, it helped. I read up on testosterone and all the affects and thats whati chose. I was always a pitcher and had elbow problems so transfered to third. I got x rays on arm and guess what...my cuffs were closed. im 5'11 and all my cuffs were already closed at such a young. Once i started i went from 160 to 186. i lost 4 pounds during my pct. for being that young i was pretty knoledgable but no were neer enough. I no i was young and dumb but its what i chose personely. my busted my balls off and thankully got a scholar ship for baseball and then i picked up another scholarship to a university and im study ed and play ball everyday for free. So i guess it paid for over 40k in school. Was i dumb? yea, but it was my decision. I have gotten multiple blood test and body is healthy as could be. I never touched 1 drug or ever drink, so while people had there drugs of choose i had my little 10 week cycle of test e 250. And im alive. If pros can do 2+g of gear a week i figured i could 250 so i guess take it how you want it. No disrspect to you either big c because i no your alot more knoldgeable but thats jut my opinion

 

[thelion2005]

I was given test injections at the tender age of 14 by the Family Doctor. Once a week for 10 weeks. I was not maturing, looked like a butterball and needed a kick start.

Needless to say, it worked. I also became very lean and muscular (155) as I did simple free hand exercises. Pubes came in and I reached full heigth of 6' with no problemo.

At 18 I did 10 weeks of 4 mg dbol p/d through another Doctor because I was "skinny". (All legal back then.) Gained a good 15 pounds using my Sears weights and home gym. A solid 185. Again, no problems.

 

[treneriffic]

at least you are here asking questions and have researched before taking anything, so you gets props for that. Most kids will just go on whetever some dude tells him is good.
But I would deffinetly wait a few years before you go messing with your hormones. Its no joke that you can fuck yourself up starting at a young age.

 

[SFArugger]

In all honesty bro if your gonna compete and really go through with it then maybe its all up to the user as long as you make a informed decision. Look at the october issue of muscular development magazine it has 24yr old evan centopani and there is no doubt in my mind that he is juiced to the gills and has been for a long time. He is so enormous for a 24yr old its sick especially his stretch marks <-----from some extremely quick growth.
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/gallerydetail.asp?CompetitorID=4990&ImageID=169716
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/detail.asp?CompetitorID=4990

Damn look at the gyno on the guy on the right
http://www.repetrope.com/men/competitors/gallerydetail.asp?CompetitorID=4990&ImageID=169715

 

[reaper99]

yeah and it even looks like evan has some too.

 

[nisser512]

The dude in the middle looks so out of place it's hilarious

 

[solidspine]

A cycle without test seems like a waste of time or at least only half a cycle.

You could grow another 2-4 inches, 6' is nice but 6'2" or 6'4" is even nicer.

I don’t understand the urgency, at age 18


I did my first cycle when I was 47 years old,


So there is nothing you can state regarding sports, college or any other reason that I could imagine agreeing to and justifying risks to your organs and growth plates at that age.

You simply need to wait 5-6 years,


If God told you take gear, than try some growth.

 

[BigCracker]

i m a bit smaller in that pic then i am now, im starting to gain more bodyfat along with the muscle now. Regardless i do think i am still pretty small but i just dont realisiticly see how i can compete against non-natural people at this age. Do you guys know of any natural compititions in new england area around my age group i could look into?

Bro-you need to go with what God gave you. You're 6ft tall-how can you expect to compete against a guy your same age that's 6 inches shorter that's already filled out his frame? Taller guys take a lot longer(and more yrs of roids) to fill out and start winning shows. Notice how the majority of the hwts are in their late 30's and many middle/lightweights are still in their 20's??? The shorter smaller guys peak at a much earlier age.

If you wanna compete in a real bb show, you should plan on doing your first show at age 24 and not touch the juice until you're 23(even that's young). In the meantime get your diet and training dialed so you'll have a good solid base. What you have now isn't even a base-it's a ba. I see chicks at my gym that are bigger than you every day.(Siren from American Gladiators is one I see almost daily)Then again, they probably piss standing up and shave their face more often than you have to. lol

Be patient and grow. Life could be worse-you could be short? No fixing that.

Your body will respond just by tweeking your diet and training for now.

 

[chazk]

I would place money that the majority of pros started using AAS at an early age.

jay cutler had pics on his site of him at age 17 he was jacked and juiced ,lee preist had pics of him at age 16 once and it looks like his mom feed him roids in his milk bottle as a child becuase he had a physic no 15 yr old would ever be able to get .I suspect your right guys like flex wheeler, shawn ray and most pros cometed early in npc teen shows and by age 19 were jacked up.
so i think your prob correct about the pros using at a early age but on the other had most pros rarley make it to over age 35 and still compete and very few make it to age 40 .mostyoung pros are done by age 30 and i'm talking about the 175,000 that compete world wide not just the same 10 guys in the elite ring.

 

[CO B-man]

Does anybody in here remember that kid from Australia that was in here about three months ago explaining how he just got busted receiving all this powder so that he could make his own juice? If we could post that guys pic he might see he is many many years from competing at his age. That kid was like a gorilla. In fact I think that kid could have taken a gorilla with one arm behinds his back.

I do not mean this as a flame and I hope you dont take it that way, but like cracker said you are not even close to competing yet. I think it is great you are in the game but why not pursue it the way you have been. For personal gain. Add some more mass and impress more girls. No reason to give up your dreams but see where it takes you from there. Maybe tomorrow I will see if I can find that thread. That kid was an absolute monster.

 

[GeneticMutation]

In my opinion b_light, not only do I agree with BigC and the others that you are way too young and that you should think long and hard about a pro's life in BB, but I think you should sort of re-examine your feelings on this drive towards bodybuilding that you feel.

You have already previously stated that you have no intentions of going pro, you just want to "compete in the lower levels". Honestly man, if competing for 20th place at sub-par events is your goal, you've already answered your question - you shouldn't take the risk and hop on the AAS bandwagon at 18.

Also, don't forget that anabolic steroids aren't the only drugs the big boys use. Insulin, HGH, Clen, DNP, even cocaine to help get cut. Diuretics to dry up pre-contest, laxatives, list goes on and on. Slin and DNP are especially dangerous. If you don't know exactly what you are doing, you could wind up in a coma from slin and cook yourself from the inside out if you OD on DNP. I guarentee you that 24-year old kid is on more than just AAS.

BB from what I have seen is not really glamourous. Remember what BigC said about homosexual favours for rich people? Absolutely true. Now, obviously Ronnie doesn't have to do that with a 500k a year olympia prize + a BSN contract, but think about what it took him to get there. Then think about the hundreds of others that aren't at the top,eyeing a dream they'll never have while some 140lb fag laughs it up with his cock 12 inches down their throats. Not fuckin' fun thats for damn sure.

I'm not telling you not do do it, because in all honesty, you won't give a shit what I or anyone else says on the matter. Your just another 18-year old looking for his magical ticket that will skyrocket him into the fast lane. Therefore, my advice is to think long and hard about your love for BBing.

 

[chazk]

Does anybody in here remember that kid from Australia that was in here about three months ago explaining how he just got busted receiving all this powder so that he could make his own juice? If we could post that guys pic he might see he is many many years from competing at his age. That kid was like a gorilla. In fact I think that kid could have taken a gorilla with one arm behinds his back.

I do not mean this as a flame and I hope you dont take it that way, but like cracker said you are not even close to competing yet. I think it is great you are in the game but why not pursue it the way you have been. For personal gain. Add some more mass and impress more girls. No reason to give up your dreams but see where it takes you from there. Maybe tomorrow I will see if I can find that thread. That kid was an absolute monster.

god what was his name was it destroyer1986? i cant remember but he was like 19-20 and a fucking monster i rember psoted on his thread about the customs and advised him to get a lawyer and he told me he was in aussie and would get a slap on the wrist. seems about 2 weeks later he vanished off the face of the earth .I hope he is doing well i rember some of his last words were .I'm done with this right down the street drug dealers sell crack and cociane and they are knocking on my door doinga full scale raid wtf is is going on i dont hurt anyone and think this whole thing is dumb I'm done with gear" it was to that effect then he vanished.

 

[acneman]

lot of good posts in here

 

[BigCracker]

If pros can do 2+g of gear a week i figured i could 250 so i guess take it how you want it. No disrspect to you either big c because i no your alot more knoldgeable but thats jut my opinion

2000mgs a week? Is that all? More like 5000-7000 mgs/wk. I know a guy that takes 1000 mgs daily pre workout. 250 mgs/wk won't even show up on the radar screen for long term side effects bro-glad you kept it in check.

 

[Ho0zie]

i think bca meany 2+g perday, per week? atleast i just assumed thats what he was trying to say lol

 

[slat1]

How do you think they earn their $$$ for juice??? A lot of them are gay for pay-and have some rich gay guy paying all of their bills in return for sexual favors. Are you willing to cross that line to compete with the other guys that want a pro card?

Here is a good example. He just competed in the Olympia:

http://www.rodneystcloud.com/news.htm

 

[slat1]

i m a bit smaller in that pic then i am now, im starting to gain more bodyfat along with the muscle now. Regardless i do think i am still pretty small but i just dont realisiticly see how i can compete against non-natural people at this age. Do you guys know of any natural compititions in new england area around my age group i could look into?

I don't talk about this often but here we go.
I am an NPC judge in New England. I see the best this area has to offer.
To be strait up with you. There are guys at my gym who are clean and are bigger and look better then a lot of NPC guys who use.
There are also clean guys who compete in the NPC and win.
You are making excuses to try and justify using AAS.
I know its tempting. I thought about it at that age also.
Check out this site:

http://www.npcnewengland.com/

They have a natural show next summer.
There are quite a few "natural" organizations in the area also. OCB, NGA, INBF.
Mike Katz, who was featured in Pumping Iron, has a drug tested show coming up next month in CT.

The best thing you can do is work with a compay like Beverly International. They work with some of the top BBers, Fitness competitors and Figure competitors in the world.
If you watch the Battle for the Olympia videos you will see their stuff in Ronnie Colemans house. He is not even sponsored by them. He pays for their stuff out of pocket.
Beverly International will build you a diet acording to your body and your goals for FREE!
They ask that you use their products but you don't have to. I will tell you their stuff is the best out there.
If you do go with their stuff go to a site like dpsnutrition. You can get it much cheaper there.

What you put in your body determines what you get out of it. You need to understand what you are putting in, why you are putting it in and when to put it in.

All that said. I waited until I was 27. I am 33 now. I have never used a ton of stuff either. Looking back I wish I waited a few more years. My goals in life are different. My health is a huge priority for me.
Knowledge is power. Take you time. Work with a company like Beverly and watch what they can do for you (I got better results on there plan for me then I did on AAS).

Someone else mentioned this and its true. Banging girls should be number one in your life! You are in your prime. Your test levels are crazy high. Enjoy life being young and looking good. It should get you some serious ass!

 

[slat1]

2000mgs a week? Is that all? More like 5000-7000 mgs/wk. I know a guy that takes 1000 mgs daily pre workout. 250 mgs/wk won't even show up on the radar screen for long term side effects bro-glad you kept it in check.

I personally know two pros who have never used more then 750mgs of test in a week.
Here is the thing.
We could hang out with a pro for a year, do all the AAS the same, do all the training the same, and eat all the same stuff.
Bottom line. We will not look the same. They have the genetics.

I am not denying the quantities you said. Just showing there are two sides to the coin.

 

[slat1]

I forgot to mention a few things about Beverly International.
They will continually tweek you diet to your changing goals.
If you have a show coming up they will build you a 16 week precontest diet and work with you all along the way.

 

[KD1]

god what was his name was it destroyer1986? i cant remember but he was like 19-20 and a fucking monster i rember psoted on his thread about the customs and advised him to get a lawyer and he told me he was in aussie and would get a slap on the wrist. seems about 2 weeks later he vanished off the face of the earth .I hope he is doing well i rember some of his last words were .I'm done with this right down the street drug dealers sell crack and cociane and they are knocking on my door doinga full scale raid wtf is is going on i dont hurt anyone and think this whole thing is dumb I'm done with gear" it was to that effect then he vanished.

I remember that thread, and if that was him in his avatar he was a monster.

 

[silver_shadow]

you guys must be refering to this dude?
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/member.php?u=61960

 

[CO B-man]

god what was his name was it destroyer1986? i cant remember but he was like 19-20 and a fucking monster i rember psoted on his thread about the customs and advised him to get a lawyer and he told me he was in aussie and would get a slap on the wrist. seems about 2 weeks later he vanished off the face of the earth .I hope he is doing well i rember some of his last words were .I'm done with this right down the street drug dealers sell crack and cociane and they are knocking on my door doinga full scale raid wtf is is going on i dont hurt anyone and think this whole thing is dumb I'm done with gear" it was to that effect then he vanished.

Yeah that was the kid. I bet he had like 22" arms, My god talk about a freak of nature. My point was going to be if you plan on competing at all thats what your competition is going to look like!

 

[silver_shadow]

look at my post above, that's his profile

 

[Ilovetolift]

I have to disagree with some people. I'm 19, 185 natural, have been bulking for 13 months now. I KNOW how to gain weight. Maybe good genetics? I was 156 lbs 4 months ago due to surgery, i couldnt eat for a few weeks.... Im almost 30 pounds heavier now. At the rate I'm going, i'll be 200 with low bodyfat by summer. After my first cycle, I'll hopefully be 250-260, and cut down to 240 for my first show when I'm 20... Are you guys telling me at 5'8'' 240 Comp weight, I have no chance? I know bodybuilding is a very hard sport, it's oncall 24/7. But I also believe that some people make it, and I know I can. For heck sakes these stretch marks are looking different every day- It's amazing.

To the guy who wants to take AAS young....DON"T especially at your weight. Get to at least 210 natty with low b/f to start thinking about cycles. Thanks.

 

[BigCracker]

If you come in at 240 you will be one fat fuck. There's no way you're going to weigh what Lee Haney did when he competed after 2 yrs in the gym w/ 1 year of juicing.

Not flaming you-just being real. Try shooting for a shredded 198 #'s instead. Even that's pushing it.

 

[GeneticMutation]

^What BigC said.

ilovetolift, don't take newbie gains and a 13-month bulker giving you 30lbs is amazing.
Hell, when I started to lift i was 160lb, 18 years old. After over a year of bulking and working out with a good program, I shot up to 245. Needless to say, I started to grow some sexy stretchmarks. Of course I wasn't cut at 245. I was 6"0 245 with a 40" waist. After cutting down to 195 and 32" waist, I saw just how much of that was muscle, maybe 35lbs.

Not flaming you either, again, just be real. I didn't look like haney at 245 and neither will you.

 

[chazk]

I have to disagree with some people. I'm 19, 185 natural, have been bulking for 13 months now. I KNOW how to gain weight. Maybe good genetics? I was 156 lbs 4 months ago due to surgery, i couldnt eat for a few weeks.... Im almost 30 pounds heavier now. At the rate I'm going, i'll be 200 with low bodyfat by summer. After my first cycle, I'll hopefully be 250-260, and cut down to 240 for my first show when I'm 20... Are you guys telling me at 5'8'' 240 Comp weight, I have no chance? I know bodybuilding is a very hard sport, it's oncall 24/7. But I also believe that some people make it, and I know I can. For heck sakes these stretch marks are looking different every day- It's amazing.

To the guy who wants to take AAS young....DON"T especially at your weight. Get to at least 210 natty with low b/f to start thinking about cycles. Thanks.

dude being 185 now and getting to 200lbs by this summer then doing one cycle to get to 260 and lean out to 240lbs at 4-6% bf at 5'8 is just a dream your talking about weighing more or about the same as flex wheeler or even kevin leverone did when they were competing for the my olyimpia and it took them years to get to their size in the early 90's then another 5 years to peak with seperation and definition to take second place.

and no the gains you are making are gonna stop and you will peak so dont think becuase your gaining 5lbs a month today its gonna keep happing untill your 260lb at 5'8 . sorry to crush your dreams . You cant say you might be the next dexture jackson becuase even dexture was 185 in 1995 when he won the southern states npc and its taken him almost 10 years to build up to 227 ripped

good luck keep us updated and post pics of you next year at 240 ripped and prove to us you can pack on 60lbs of competetion quality muscle in a year

 

[mikefear]

word

 

[Ilovetolift]

^What BigC said.

ilovetolift, don't take newbie gains and a 13-month bulker giving you 30lbs is amazing.
Hell, when I started to lift i was 160lb, 18 years old. After over a year of bulking and working out with a good program, I shot up to 245. Needless to say, I started to grow some sexy stretchmarks. Of course I wasn't cut at 245. I was 6"0 245 with a 40" waist. After cutting down to 195 and 32" waist, I saw just how much of that was muscle, maybe 35lbs.

Not flaming you either, again, just be real. I didn't look like haney at 245 and neither will you.

Wow your giving me advice when you say you went from 160-245 in one year? so u gained 55lbs of fat and 30 of muscle in a year? I dont think thats possible.

 

[acneman]

Wow your giving me advice when you say you went from 160-245 in one year? so u gained 55lbs of fat and 30 of muscle in a year? I dont think thats possible.

well generally you are not only right but very right
but.....
at 18 and with an untrained body
you have the factors of hormonal rollercoaster of puberty
and the good reaction to weights because youve never trained before
and possibly good genetics(well lets say probably)
mabey 1% population has the potential to make that kind of gain

yes it can happen with no juice
at 27 putting on 30 pounds of muscle no matter how much fat you gain is gonna be practically impossible in one year natural

 

[Ilovetolift]

dude being 185 now and getting to 200lbs by this summer then doing one cycle to get to 260 and lean out to 240lbs at 4-6% bf at 5'8 is just a dream your talking about weighing more or about the same as flex wheeler or even kevin leverone did when they were competing for the my olyimpia and it took them years to get to their size in the early 90's then another 5 years to peak with seperation and definition to take second place.

and no the gains you are making are gonna stop and you will peak so dont think becuase your gaining 5lbs a month today its gonna keep happing untill your 260lb at 5'8 . sorry to crush your dreams . You cant say you might be the next dexture jackson becuase even dexture was 185 in 1995 when he won the southern states npc and its taken him almost 10 years to build up to 227 ripped

good luck keep us updated and post pics of you next year at 240 ripped and prove to us you can pack on 60lbs of competetion quality muscle in a year

I never said in one year. By next summer 200 year. Then start cycling in a year. I'll e 20 then. I want to compete when I'm 21 the following summer at yes, 230-240. At 200 lean, what do you think I'll be able to keep with my first cycle?

 

[chazk]

I never said in one year. By next summer 200 year. Then start cycling in a year. I'll e 20 then. I want to compete when I'm 21 the following summer at yes, 230-240. At 200 lean, what do you think I'll be able to keep with my first cycle?

hummm above you said you wanted to be at 240 for your first show at age 20.
not 21.
I still dont think at age 21 and 5'8 you will be onstage ripped at 240lbs some of the guys age 24-28 that you will be onstage will be that big but noone i have ever seen at 5'8 and 21. well wait a few years ago at a novice show a guys showed up with bitch tits and a fat smooth belly at around 240 and 5'8 at age 21 he was looked at more of like comic relief

 

[acneman]

hurry, hurry, hurry.
everyone is in such a hurry.
ive been puttin off my next cycle for 6 years.

 

[b_light]

i know gains are gonna slow, already started to. good info guys, thanks alot.

 

[dsh89]

I don't even think anyone has really mentioned that b light needs to eat more! If that avatar pic is current, bro, add some steak to your diet. You need to add some calories to gain some weight. You have a good frame for building onto, but you have not even come close to your natural potential. You should really train clean for the next couple of years before you consider using juice. I know it is tough, because juice really does work, but think about your long term goals and your commitment. If you train hard and diet good for 2 years, then maybe you will be ready.

 

[CO B-man]

I have to disagree with some people. I'm 19, 185 natural, have been bulking for 13 months now. I KNOW how to gain weight. Maybe good genetics? I was 156 lbs 4 months ago due to surgery, i couldnt eat for a few weeks.... Im almost 30 pounds heavier now. At the rate I'm going, i'll be 200 with low bodyfat by summer. After my first cycle, I'll hopefully be 250-260, and cut down to 240 for my first show when I'm 20... Are you guys telling me at 5'8'' 240 Comp weight, I have no chance? I know bodybuilding is a very hard sport, it's oncall 24/7. But I also believe that some people make it, and I know I can. For heck sakes these stretch marks are looking different every day- It's amazing.

To the guy who wants to take AAS young....DON"T especially at your weight. Get to at least 210 natty with low b/f to start thinking about cycles. Thanks.

Good luck with that! Make sure you post pics when you gain nearly 100 lbs in a year.

 

[BigCracker]

well generally you are not only right but very right
but.....
at 18 and with an untrained body
you have the factors of hormonal rollercoaster of puberty
and the good reaction to weights because youve never trained before
and possibly good genetics(well lets say probably)
mabey 1% population has the potential to make that kind of gain

yes it can happen with no juice
at 27 putting on 30 pounds of muscle no matter how much fat you gain is gonna be practically impossible in one year natural

Keep in mind that no matter who you are for every 3 lbs of fat you gain, your body will need an extra lb of muscle just to carry around that extra weight. Of course when you lose that extra weight, it's highly likely you'll lose the muscle you gained along with it. If you could keep it through dieting and training you could blow up to 600 lbs, diet, and be a ripped 300 #'s in no time. Don't be discouraged-your goals are just too unrealistic at this point. You'd get more respect by acknowledging that you are a young novice and shooting for a realistic goal-like competing in the light heavies in a men's in an open/novice show.

Talking about becoming pro or making a living off of BB at this point is a pretty bold statement. It's kinda like me working as a cashier at a gas station and telling people that I'm gonna be president of Texaco Oil someday. How likely is that to happen? Not very. Could it happen? Sure. But don't expect people to take you too seriously this early in the game cuz you've got a long, winding, uphill road ahead of you.

I remember when I was around 21 and I mentioned to someone that I wanted to compete in BB someday-and he laughed right in my face-and I was under 10% bf and 215 lbs. Of course this angered me and I punched him in the nose-but I never forgot that fucker for not taking me seriously. I doubt he forgot me either. lol A yr later I did my 1st novice show and placed 2nd to a guy 9 yrs older than me. It went to my head. I thought I was ready stomp my way through the ranks to winning nationals so I tried a national qualifier-and placed 5th out of 8 guys. This is when reality set in of just how hard BB was and how good I wasn't.

 

[CO B-man]

hurry, hurry, hurry.
everyone is in such a hurry.
ive been puttin off my next cycle for 6 years.

You are one person I would say get on some juice ASAP! lol! just kidding you!

 

[acneman]

You are one person I would say get on some juice ASAP! lol! just kidding you!

actually considering my imune system post
a tentative start date is jan 1 07

 

[acneman]

Keep in mind that no matter who you are for every 3 lbs of fat you gain, your body will need an extra lb of muscle just to carry around that extra weight. Of course when you lose that extra weight, it's highly likely you'll lose the muscle you gained along with it. If you could keep it through dieting and training you could blow up to 600 lbs, diet, and be a ripped 300 #'s in no time. Don't be discouraged-your goals are just too unrealistic at this point. You'd get more respect by acknowledging that you are a young novice and shooting for a realistic goal-like competing in the light heavies in a men's in an open/novice show.

Talking about becoming pro or making a living off of BB at this point is a pretty bold statement. It's kinda like me working as a cashier at a gas station and telling people that you're gonna be president of Texaco Oil someday. How likely is that to happen? Not very. Could it happen? Sure. But don't expect people to take you too seriously this early in the game cuz you've got a long, winding, uphill road ahead of you.

I remember when I was around 21 and I mentioned to someone that I wanted to compete in BB someday-and he laughed right in my face-and I was under 10% bf and 215 lbs. Of course this angered me and I punched him in the nose-but I never forgot that fucker for not taking me seriously. I doubt he forgot me either. lol A yr later I did my 1st novice show and placed 2nd to a guy 9 yrs older than me. It went to my head. I thought I was ready stomp my way through the ranks to winning nationals so I tried a national qualifier-and placed 5th out of 8 guys. This is when reality set in of just how hard BB was and how good I wasn't.

another great post
i concede your point

 

[CO B-man]

I give this kid credit, he has a good attitude and is not coming back with cockiness. There is hope for him. I still say its easier to go to college get a great degree that pays well lift weghts for fun/Hobby etc. And get more girls than the rest of your buddies because of it!

 

[acneman]

I give this kid credit, he has a good attitude and is not coming back with cockiness. There is hope for him. I still say its easier to go to college get a great degree that pays well lift weghts for fun/Hobby etc. And get more girls than the rest of your buddies because of it!

true

 

[BigCracker]

I didn't go to college but I still fuck girls that do.

 

[CO B-man]

I didn't go to college but I still fuck girls that do.

It was all theoretic not actual technicality! Just seems a conglomeration of drunk and horny girls can be found on campuses all day long!

 

[BigCracker]

Actually I've got to admit something but I don't want to get this kid's hopes up. BB has been paying my bills one way or another since I was 19-whether it was from being a bouncer, security guard, body guard, personal trainer, gym employee, etc. I was just fortunate enough to find ways to make money off of my lifestyle choices. However, since these things rely largely on my health and stature I'm very lucky I was never injured or sick to the point where I wasn't capable of being physically active. I always chose jobs that would compliment my BB lifestyle-for instance-working a desk job at a gym sucked-but because it allowed me to eat every 2-3 hrs it served a dual purpose. Yeah, it was boring and a dead end career, but it beat bustin my ass doing hard labor with BB my primary focus in life. In fact, I'd even say that as a top amateur I made more $$$ than a lot of pros-but that's because I actually chose to work by promoting myself, training people, and doing BB seminars at the gym. A lot of pros have the personality of a rock and/or are just too selfish to spend time helping others-even for $. I guess it's easier for them to close their eyes and pretend the fag that's paying them to suck their cock is a hot chick???

Anyway, my point is-where there's a will there's a way-just take things one step at a time . In addition, if becoming an awesome BB isn't your 1st thought when you roll out of bed in the morning and your last thought before bed at night, you're probably not going to succeeed. BB is an all consuming lifestyle that doesn't allow much time for friends, family, and other interests. These are all sacrifices you need to chose to make on your own and don't expect your family/friends to understand when you choose salad and broiled chicken over pizza and beer.

 

[b_light]

this thread is really starting to bomb out of control. I know there is no way that im gonna get to 260lbs in a year, that is a ridiclous amount of weight and noone can gain that in even close to a year. as well as all the other shit that i dont know how you conceived from my post. what it comes down to is i think i was trying to justify aas use just becuase i knew more about it then some clown that sees a big just and goes oh he must be on roids. I know how important diet it, etc.

I am surprised by some of the shit they do to get money like sexual favors, that is fucked up. I dont want this thread to get more out of control. Bottom line is im gonna wait till the future untill i decide to bring up the topic again. thanks for all the info though, i learned alot of new stuff.

 

[reaper99]

I feel ya acne Its been 5-6 yers since i did my first cycle it was half ass but i am still gonna wait another year or two cause i just picked up the weights in sept for the first time since then. No rush take your time learn expirement.

hurry, hurry, hurry.
everyone is in such a hurry.
ive been puttin off my next cycle for 6 years.

 

[b_light]

i just started to read some of the other comments in the thread as well. I never intended to say that i wanted to make a living off BBing. i was under the impression that every show no matter what level its at (not including natural) you will need AAS as well as all the other essential blocks which i assumed are already in place or else you wouldent be asking to use aas in the first place. i know im not gonna get 100 pounds over night, dont know where that came from either. I think alot of people are assuming that i just started lifting the other day and am looking for a magic fix. i spend most of my time on muscletalk.co.uk as that was the first BBing site i found and they have a nice community and helped me along my way.

 

[reaper99]

stick around here you will learn alot.

 

[BigCracker]

i just started to read some of the other comments in the thread as well. I never intended to say that i wanted to make a living off BBing. i was under the impression that every show no matter what level its at (not including natural) you will need AAS as well as all the other essential blocks which i assumed are already in place or else you wouldent be asking to use aas in the first place. i know im not gonna get 100 pounds over night, dont know where that came from either. I think alot of people are assuming that i just started lifting the other day and am looking for a magic fix. i spend most of my time on muscletalk.co.uk as that was the first BBing site i found and they have a nice community and helped me along my way.

Well if BB isn't paying your bills I sure hope you make enough $$$ to support the lifestyle. Coworkers are the biggest assholes a BB will encounter. BB's make normal fat asses feel like shit about themselves and everytime they see you(smell you) eating tuna you're rubbing it in their face that you're disciplined and they are not. Guess what happens when your boss is one of these jealous fat asses? They fuck with you. What boss wouldn't want to fire a guy that perpetually makes them feel like a turd? The people you surround yourself will greatly affect your BB success. I can't stress this enough.

 

[rg78]

I have to disagree with some people. I'm 19, 185 natural, have been bulking for 13 months now. I KNOW how to gain weight. Maybe good genetics? I was 156 lbs 4 months ago due to surgery, i couldnt eat for a few weeks.... Im almost 30 pounds heavier now. At the rate I'm going, i'll be 200 with low bodyfat by summer. After my first cycle, I'll hopefully be 250-260, and cut down to 240 for my first show when I'm 20... Are you guys telling me at 5'8'' 240 Comp weight, I have no chance? I know bodybuilding is a very hard sport, it's oncall 24/7. But I also believe that some people make it, and I know I can. For heck sakes these stretch marks are looking different every day- It's amazing.

Your body slows down from its initial gains you may have gained 30 pounds in 13 months naturally but the heavier you get the harder and slower it gets to put the pounds on. Going from 150 to 200 is alot easier than going from 200 to 250. Going from 200 to 250 or 260 after your first cycle without water retention or gaining a very large amount of fat isnt going to happen

 

[acneman]

Well if BB isn't paying your bills I sure hope you make enough $$$ to support the lifestyle. Coworkers are the biggest assholes a BB will encounter. BB's make normal fat asses feel like shit about themselves and everytime they see you(smell you) eating tuna you're rubbing it in their face that you're disciplined and they are not. Guess what happens when your boss is one of these jealous fat asses? They fuck with you. What boss wouldn't want to fire a guy that perpetually makes them feel like a turd? The people you surround yourself will greatly affect your BB success. I can't stress this enough.

if you have anything going for you thats what you face
im no bodybuilder but im pretty smart
and people dont like that either

 

[ProtienFiend]

I was under the impression that the only AAS that fuck up your liver are the orals which is one main reason i would want to go with injectables that have a low androgenic property(i believe) becuase im prone to acne. Already taking care of it with roaccutane just gonna take a little bit longer and it will be good to have it on hand incase i start to break out if i go on cycle. Right now i have a rough idea of what a i want to do and if i do want to go thru with it more im gonna do alot more research and find out exactly what i would run and for how long. already know about PCT and what kind of stuff i should be taking on cycle to combat the high blood pressure, and other shit that gets thrown out of wack. BBing is pretty much my life now, i live to lift day in and day out. I dont want to be a jackass like half the people you see in the gym are but at the same time im gonna have to jump on if i want to be competative.

IF thats you in your avatar you have a build that can grow a lot naturally. You really have to get your diet in check and you should be fine for a while.

Good luck
PF

 

[ProtienFiend]

Well if BB isn't paying your bills I sure hope you make enough $$$ to support the lifestyle. Coworkers are the biggest assholes a BB will encounter. BB's make normal fat asses feel like shit about themselves and everytime they see you(smell you) eating tuna you're rubbing it in their face that you're disciplined and they are not. Guess what happens when your boss is one of these jealous fat asses? They fuck with you. What boss wouldn't want to fire a guy that perpetually makes them feel like a turd? The people you surround yourself will greatly affect your BB success. I can't stress this enough.

Ugh tell me about it. Fucking co-workers.

 

[silver_shadow]

i honestly don't know what you guys are saying about how difficult it is to grow. i restarted training exactly one yr and almost a month ago at a fat 190 at 20%. today i stand at 230-232 at 14%. my diet hasn't always been great through this period, sometimes i miss the gym too - i've been in a bit of a hole financially. i've also lost weight in between because of a severe asthma attack - my nails were blue and bp was 190/120 or something that ridiculous... i had to lost at least 10lbs during those weeks. i've also gone through periods of cutting and periods (like now) where i've kept my weight constant... my girlfriend prefers if i wouldn't go for an all out bulk, else, i know i would be pushing 250 today... sure alot of it's fat as you may point out, but i've actually dropped my bf% since last year. BTW all this is natural. how is it possible? a gallon of milk, min 1lb of red meat, 12 whole eggs, rice/pasta, veggies, fruits, oats, cornflakes, no protein powder no juice whatsoever. that is what it takes to put on a huge amount of weight real quick and natty too. forgot to mention, i'm 26 and ht is 5'10". b light, by eating BIG and training big compound lifts min 2x per week, you could put on some serious mass real quick. then you can slowly shed away those excess fat pounds so that you're in good contest shape... as some of the guys pointed out, most guys will start to peak after 24 so you have lots of time to get there. at that point you could consider your first cycle. 2 more things i'd recommend:
1) check out the training board
2) check out tom venuto's "burn the fat, feed the muscle" ebook.

oh and just to clarify: before someone jumps down my throat saying each person is different so i'm lucky that i can gain weight so quickly... yes i know all about how each person is different. however, many people usually aren't eating enough for fear of putting on a bit of fat... many could gain muscle alot quicker if only they accepted that fat will come and that they can get rid of it later. or in some cases people just IMAGINE they are eating alot when it may not be that way... it's simple physics, unless someone has a serious disease, hyperthyroidism or something which isn't exactly common, they will gain faster than most of them imagine. yes, some do actually have low natty test levels too so thats another factor.

 

[slat1]

If it was me and I had the knowledge that I have today I would wait.

 

[Jhonmalayil]

Keep going, that’s the way.

 

[bmcadoo44]

a serious question that deserves a serious answer

how tall are you?
last time we had a short mr olyimia was right after arnold
if you havent reached your full height you never will after your first cycle
so short term goals will seem to hurt your long term goals.

how big are you now?
if you dont have good genetics and already pretty big you will never be a pro bodybuider i my opinion. those guys were big without juice i garuntee.

bodybuilding is my life.
at 18 dungeons and dragons was my life
at 20 martial arts was my life
at 23 playing pool for money was my life
at 30 my children were my life
at 42 still the children... hey i think i grew up at 30 guys!!!!!

are you sure that bodybuilding will be your life at 23 or 27??
do you really think that you will be able to compete at a high enough level to make it a career?
99.9 % chance you wont
think about that before you stick that first needle
and kudos to you for the good research youve done on usage but my advice is wait

thats so true.

i started at 17 because football. 18 got into drugs hardcore and almost fell off.

i ended up sayin fuck workin out when i was 18. cuz it wasnt the same as when i was natural. just didnt seem fun and it wasnt fullfilling like it use to be.

im 22 now and hoppin on some hgh and var to get my ligaments and tendons straight.

IMO dont do steroids at that young of an age. it will fuck ur life up