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ANDY13....solid info bro.... i plan on using this theory in all of my cycles from now on.... this one gets a BIG FRONTLOAD BUMP!!!
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Ok gang, as promised here is some art for you. The following table represents blood levels of unesterfied deca. This data was calculated using a 10 day half life.
One line represents the standard 10 week, 400mg per week sinngle weekly injection of 400mg. Another line represents a two week front load of 800 per week followed by 6 more weeks at 400mg. All doses administered 1 time per week. And lastly we have a 1 week front load with 1200mg, followed by 7 more weeks at 400mg, all inj taken 1 time per week.
Now, as you can see, all three methods peak at roughly the same highest unesterfied blood level, the main difference is in just how fast that blood level gets to that highest point. For all the people worried about overdoing it because of the large dose, remember that just because you have 1200mg delivered in a short time (1 inj in this case) does not mean it will all hydrolize (ie de-ester) and become usable at once. You will notice that even at 1200mg single injection blood levels still are realativly low until subsequent injections are taken in the following weeks.
Also keep in mind front loading does not mean more overall AAS it just means more on the front end. All cycles in the chart above used 4000mg. The standard 400 no load went ten weeks and the other two went 8 weeks but used the same amount of gear.
As I get more time, I will chart the benefits of front loading in conjuction with multiple inj.
One line represents the standard 10 week, 400mg per week sinngle weekly injection of 400mg. Another line represents a two week front load of 800 per week followed by 6 more weeks at 400mg. All doses administered 1 time per week. And lastly we have a 1 week front load with 1200mg, followed by 7 more weeks at 400mg, all inj taken 1 time per week.
Now, as you can see, all three methods peak at roughly the same highest unesterfied blood level, the main difference is in just how fast that blood level gets to that highest point. For all the people worried about overdoing it because of the large dose, remember that just because you have 1200mg delivered in a short time (1 inj in this case) does not mean it will all hydrolize (ie de-ester) and become usable at once. You will notice that even at 1200mg single injection blood levels still are realativly low until subsequent injections are taken in the following weeks.
Also keep in mind front loading does not mean more overall AAS it just means more on the front end. All cycles in the chart above used 4000mg. The standard 400 no load went ten weeks and the other two went 8 weeks but used the same amount of gear.
As I get more time, I will chart the benefits of front loading in conjuction with multiple inj.
Zyg-- you are the shit!!!!
That graph says it all!!!
You could also do one for recovery.. This graph would just represent the amount of esterified in the system..
Guys would see that 500mg/week of deca, after 6 weeks would accumulate about 1300mg of esterified in the system (BTW guys, the amount in the blood at this time is equivalent to injecting 1300mg right off the bat as zyg has demonstrated).
3 weeks after the last shot, 325mg of deca remain in the system. that is far too much to permit recovery.
5 weeks after that last shot, 81mg remain in the system.. Still a bit too high to begin clomid therapy.
8 weeks after the last deca injection, about 32 mg remain in the system.
Keep in mind that this 4-8 week period is DEAD TIME where are you not able to recover natural T yet you are also not making any gains from the AAS.
Solution? Cut the deca AT LEAST 5 weeks before you plan to be off... You can replace this with nandrolone phenyl propionate or trenbolone acetate for the remainder of the cycle. The waiting period to being clomid therapy is much shorter with compounds like TA.
Andy
That graph says it all!!!
You could also do one for recovery.. This graph would just represent the amount of esterified in the system..
Guys would see that 500mg/week of deca, after 6 weeks would accumulate about 1300mg of esterified in the system (BTW guys, the amount in the blood at this time is equivalent to injecting 1300mg right off the bat as zyg has demonstrated).
3 weeks after the last shot, 325mg of deca remain in the system. that is far too much to permit recovery.
5 weeks after that last shot, 81mg remain in the system.. Still a bit too high to begin clomid therapy.
8 weeks after the last deca injection, about 32 mg remain in the system.
Keep in mind that this 4-8 week period is DEAD TIME where are you not able to recover natural T yet you are also not making any gains from the AAS.
Solution? Cut the deca AT LEAST 5 weeks before you plan to be off... You can replace this with nandrolone phenyl propionate or trenbolone acetate for the remainder of the cycle. The waiting period to being clomid therapy is much shorter with compounds like TA.
Andy
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Ok boys and girls, now we are having fun....cooking with fire some might say. Well, here is another installment from yours truely. As we have seen up the thread here, not only does injection frequency help to level blood levels of a given AAS but we have also see how frontloading can get the thereputic AAS levels in the blood up quicker.
Now, I present to you a little chart that represents both frequency of injection AND front loading. For the standard no load cycle I used deca, 400mg a week total with 100mg shot on mon, wed, fri and sunday. The next represents the first two weeks frontloaded at 800mg total, 4x injections of 200mg each done on monday, wed, fri and sunday. With the remainder of the cycle shooting 4x 100mg injections on mon, wed, fri and sun. And last but not least, we have the one week frontload of 1200mg in 4 shots, 4x 300mg each done on mon, wed, fri and sunday. With the remainder of the cycle shooting 4x 100mg injections on mon, wed, fri and sun.
Drum roll please...........
..hehe, i couldnt resist.
Notice the peaks and valleys in between injections. Multiple inj of even long lasting esters should provide a much more constant theraputic blood level and with it better gains.
Now, I present to you a little chart that represents both frequency of injection AND front loading. For the standard no load cycle I used deca, 400mg a week total with 100mg shot on mon, wed, fri and sunday. The next represents the first two weeks frontloaded at 800mg total, 4x injections of 200mg each done on monday, wed, fri and sunday. With the remainder of the cycle shooting 4x 100mg injections on mon, wed, fri and sun. And last but not least, we have the one week frontload of 1200mg in 4 shots, 4x 300mg each done on mon, wed, fri and sunday. With the remainder of the cycle shooting 4x 100mg injections on mon, wed, fri and sun.
Drum roll please...........
..hehe, i couldnt resist.
So now you are saying I need a damn IV drip for my gear?
Well, for several reasons, if I don't have to, I won't inject frequently. I think everytime you have a foreign object pierce your skin, you risk infection. Plus I really, really hate needles. They give me the willies.
So, if I have deca or eq, I will frontload, but if I can get away with one inject/week or 2/week, I will. I would rather do 3ccs in my glute on a Monday, than 1cc on M-W-F.
But I will frontload. You got me on that one, lol.
Well, for several reasons, if I don't have to, I won't inject frequently. I think everytime you have a foreign object pierce your skin, you risk infection. Plus I really, really hate needles. They give me the willies.
So, if I have deca or eq, I will frontload, but if I can get away with one inject/week or 2/week, I will. I would rather do 3ccs in my glute on a Monday, than 1cc on M-W-F.
But I will frontload. You got me on that one, lol.
Yeah Tx of course there is the issue of scar tissue as well. If your a young up and comming competitor and have years of juicing a head of you that needs to be done to be able to compete, saving the scar tissue is a real plus. However, for the old fart, weekend warrior like myself scar tissue wont be a huge issue. Since I will be running fina in every cycle I do, im poking myself ed anyways, so why not break up the long ester AAS and interspurse it in while im doing it? At least thats my take on it
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i like the chart!!! one question though... there really isnt that big a difference between the frontload of 800 and 1200.... so when i frontload my eq, is it ok to shoot 2cc on monday and 2cc on thursday for the first 2 weeks??? then 400/week for the next 10? make sence?? thanks for the help!!!
So exactly what would you advice to do in this case, Im on my fifth week of the following cycle:
1-5 d-bol
1-5 cyp test 400mg.
5-10 cyp test 800mg.
1-10 equipoise
1-10 deca
as deca and equipoise have long acting esters, would it be advisable to cut both of them off, on 6 or 7 week, and continue with fina (I have sensitive kidneys, so Id rather not), but how about using orals the last weeks, or increase the test mg. with a short acting ester to 1200mg. or leave it the same dose with the cyp?
BTW great info Andy and Zyg, thanks for sharing it.
1-5 d-bol
1-5 cyp test 400mg.
5-10 cyp test 800mg.
1-10 equipoise
1-10 deca
as deca and equipoise have long acting esters, would it be advisable to cut both of them off, on 6 or 7 week, and continue with fina (I have sensitive kidneys, so Id rather not), but how about using orals the last weeks, or increase the test mg. with a short acting ester to 1200mg. or leave it the same dose with the cyp?
BTW great info Andy and Zyg, thanks for sharing it.
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