8w cutting/LBM cycle (Prop/Tren/Win/Ana/Clen) - Advice/thoughts?

[MrChisel]

that is definitely better but.. well first i am a low dose advocatei believe 99% of the non pros out there can get SICK / CRAZY gains staying under 750mg total dosage.. i know sounds crazy but I believe it and Ive seen it over and over again.. so now you at least know where im coming from.

2nd do you plan to train w/ that much juice in your system? have you ever tried a muay thai class w/ that much juice?

also you want to gain 5kg at 178? I guarantee 100% that you can accomplish that goal with 1/2 the juice you listed but you would have to change your diet and the total amount of cardio you do... now your cycle w/ all that gear may give you your 5kg easy.. it should.. but if you dont change your diet and cardio.. you wont keep it anyhow.. so why get juiced to the gills for a temporary increase?

look we might not agree.. thats cool id still like to help and just give another opinion on things..

oh and I HATE CLEN especially for athletes.. BOOOO CLEN

ok one last thing.. please read up on pct especially posts by nelson and steve.. PLEASE

Ok, another clarification: After the cycle I will go back to normal life, with cardio/muay thai/swimming 2-3 times a week and lifting 6 times a week for at least 5 months. Also, I will be able to fully control my diet after the cycle (since I will be returning to my "everyday" life), so I think that will give me a better chance of keeping my gains, no...?

And Yes, as mentioned earlier I did a similar cycle in January/February, although only for 6 weeks (see gear specs above). I trained muay thai 1-3 sessions a day (plus lifting before or after) for 6 days a week... And it worked (and gave me good gains - that I kept)! Of course, the pump makes it feel a bit different, but I can easily adapt to it and maintain a high level of training... EDIT: Yet another clarification...: I don't train "classes", I live with my coach/trainer at a camp in Thailand... So I guess that might affect the way I can cope with being juiced up while training, since there are no "group exercises" but rather the form of training is adapted to me personally...

By the way, I LOVE clen... YAAAY Clen! Seriously... It has helped me a lot actually... Both with keeping gains/maintaining low body fat percentage as well as lowering body fat percentage in the first place, not to mention getting down to the proper weigh-in level...

Would you say running Nolva for the same amount of weeks as the cycle (40 ED first week, and then 20 ED for the rest totalling 8 weeks) won't be sufficient PCT? I have read up on PCT and I feel like there are a thousand different gospels... The most comments I've read say that higher doses are a waste...?

 

[Judo Tom]

Ok, another clarification: After the cycle I will go back to normal life, with cardio/muay thai/swimming 2-3 times a week and lifting 6 times a week for at least 5 months. Also, I will be able to fully control my diet after the cycle (since I will be returning to my "everyday" life), so I think that will give me a better chance of keeping my gains, no...?


And Yes, as mentioned earlier I did a similar cycle in January/February, although only for 6 weeks (see gear specs above). I trained muay thai 1-3 sessions a day (plus lifting before or after) for 6 days a week... And it worked (and gave me good gains - that I kept)! Of course, the pump makes it feel a bit different, but I can easily adapt to it and maintain a high level of training... EDIT: Yet another clarification...: I don't train "classes", I live with my coach/trainer at a camp in Thailand... So I guess that might affect the way I can cope with being juiced up while training, since there are no "group exercises" but rather the form of training is adapted to me personally...

By the way, I LOVE clen... YAAAY Clen! Seriously... It has helped me a lot actually... Both with keeping gains/maintaining low body fat percentage as well as lowering body fat percentage in the first place, not to mention getting down to the proper weigh-in level...

Would you say running Nolva for the same amount of weeks as the cycle (40 ED first week, and then 20 ED for the rest totalling 8 weeks) won't be sufficient PCT? I have read up on PCT and I feel like there are a thousand different gospels... The most comments I've read say that higher doses are a waste...?

you are light and lean but there is a point where that much cardio will hold you back on your muscle gain. so maybe you can hold onto the 5kg maybe not.. but that is a lot of cardio and you will need to eat like crazy to support the extra muscle

IMO if you need that much clen your diet is not right for you and your training schedule.

ive ran nolva only pct and now i basically think it did Jack sh!t almost useless really.. maybe helped w/ estrogen in some cases but compared to what is available now.. its basically useless. so its not your dosage or duration i dont like but the choice of nolva

look into post cycle / unleashed. that is a great combo.

 

[Billbigmuscles]

Have u ever heard of rip blend? If your looking to rip take it. Im in the same position as you i do kickboxing looking to rip but not put on any weight i was told this is the best to take has a little bit of test has bit of clen ans another ripper.