Dbol, Test E, Tren A, Winny Cycle Review

[apathy11303]

Hello All.

I am 32yo Male that is currently 230lbs and have been lifting since 16. Looking to increase strength a bit and lean out.

Current measurements in inches are as follows:

Chest:44
Waist:35.5
Arms:18

Cycle Plans:
20mg BID (40mg/day) Dbol: Weeks 1-3
500mg Test E: Weeks 1-12
50mg Tren A ED: Weeks 4-8
50-100mg Winny ED(depends on if there's joint pain or not): Weeks 8-12
.25 Arimadex EOD: Should I run it only during DBol phase or the whole cycle--I am finding allot of conflicting info.
250iu HCG twice per week: weeks 4-12
0.5mg Avodart weeks 1-20 (MPB runs in my family)

PCT:
20mg Nolva for 4-6 weeks
Also, should I run clomid along side Nolva, or is Nolva enough (finding conflicting info.)

Current Training Regimen (plan to keep similar throughout cycle, but may increase weight/reps as I progress
Chest: M and W
BB Bench press: 225lbs 4 sets of 12-15
DB Incline Bench press: 70lbs 4 sets of 12-15
Machine Chest Flies: 165lbs 4 sets of 20
Cabled Woodchoppers 4 sets of 15
Cabled ab pulldown 3 sets of 20
Bi’s and Tris: M, W, and Sat (standard db curls and cable tricep extensions) 6 sets of 15 and cardio

Legs Day: Tuesday
BB Box Squat: 4 sets of 12-15 using 275-315lbs (I usually go up and then back down in pyramid)
Powerclean+Front squat: 185lbs 4 sets of 10
Machine leg extension, reverse leg extension, and calf raises 4 sets of 15-20

Back Day: Thurs
BB Deadlift: 275-365lbs (pyramid) 4 sets of 12-15
Barbell Row: 155-185 4 sets of 12-15
Cabled Lat Pulldown: 4 sets of 12

Shoulder Day: Friday
Seated 3/4[SUP]th[/SUP] press Smith Machine:225lbs 4 sets of 12
Side raise and Front raise: 25-35lbs 4 sets of 15
DB Trap Raises: 100lbs 3 sets of 15
Plus I do widegrip pullups 3 sets of 12 every other morning and 20-30min jogging 2-3 times per week for cardio (may up the cardio if required.)


I know this is allot of info and I'm new to the forum, but I've been training for a minute and ready to turn up so I'm looking to the vets to critique either my cycle or training regimen to help me get the best gains.

Thanks for your time.

 

[apathy11303]

Forgot to put height: 5'10 and biceps are actually 17, not 18 sorry about typo

 

[robbysixx]

Looks great


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[apathy11303]

Looks great


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How about the PCT? Do you think Nolva needs to be stacked with clomid, or is Nolva ok on its own?

In regards to anti-estrogen, technically nolva is supposed to be stronger than clomid alone, yet I see some people that like to still use both together when running more intense cycles.

As I've only ever ran 1 a 2 compound cycles in the past, this is going to definitely be my most intense one and just want to ensure my PCT is ok.

 

[joonp]

I would do this
1-12 test e 500 mg
1-10 tren e 400 mg
1-6 adrol 50 mg
1-12 aromasin 12.5 eod
10-14 hcg 1000
15-18 clomid 50 ed
15-18 nolva 40 ed

Dbol gonna blow u up then too much. Adrol gives great strength and not as much water bloat. The tren will kick in as ur adrol ends and keep ur strength and lean you out. My favorite cycle. Watch ur bp. If it gets high lower tren a lil bit

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[stevesmi]

don't get greedy with tren.. with that many androgens on 1 cycle you will be dying halfway through that

you are stacking not 1, not 2, but 3 androgens together here.

 

[SteveMobsterG]

How about the PCT? Do you think Nolva needs to be stacked with clomid, or is Nolva ok on its own?

In regards to anti-estrogen, technically nolva is supposed to be stronger than clomid alone, yet I see some people that like to still use both together when running more intense cycles.

As I've only ever ran 1 a 2 compound cycles in the past, this is going to definitely be my most intense one and just want to ensure my PCT is ok.

Do a forum search for 'perfect PCT'

 

[muskate]

How about the PCT? Do you think Nolva needs to be stacked with clomid, or is Nolva ok on its own?

In regards to anti-estrogen, technically nolva is supposed to be stronger than clomid alone, yet I see some people that like to still use both together when running more intense cycles.

As I've only ever ran 1 a 2 compound cycles in the past, this is going to definitely be my most intense one and just want to ensure my PCT is ok.

Check out the perfect PCT man -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[spursmad]

cant see the point in d-bol and tren ace just drop the d-bol

 

[spursmad]

and also swap the test e for sust

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

The PCT is awful. Not even nolva and clomid together is near enough after an extremely harsh cycle like you have laid out. Please read and follow this: PCT Simplified Version - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[apathy11303]

Update. Just finished my Dbol and am switching to TrenA/Test E part. Feeling like a king rn. Allow of my lifts have increased massively. For example I went from doing sets of 12-15 at 225 on Bench press to doing sets of 20-25. Not even sure of what my max is at this point, but I can rep 315 without effort now. Still staying low and doing high reps though to get that pump. Nevertheless, just wanted to check in.

So far I was doing everything as outlined, except I had to up the Arim. to .5mg EOD to control bloat. Also, decided to try 50mg Tren EOD instead of ED.

 

[apathy11303]

The PCT is awful. Not even nolva and clomid together is near enough after an extremely harsh cycle like you have laid out. Please read and follow this: PCT Simplified Version - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

Can you be more specific for me?

I mean, I am using HCG and Nolva and I have clomid as well, but was unsure if I should use them together as I see mixed information on the topic. Nevertheless, I also have milk thistle as well which I will use during PCT, but I do not like the idea of running it during as it competes with the gear.

I viewed the link you provided and besides the SARMS, it looks like what I have, except I should run it longer. If that's the case, I do not mind running it longer and then tapering down.

I do have some Osta, S4, and GW and actually started running GW a few weeks ago after reading one of Dylan's articles on its positive effects on BP while on cycle, so I dont mind running it during PCT as well. As for the Osta, I thought Osta could shut you down, so I don't understand using it during PCT as it requires a mini pct of its own.

Also, I may not run the winny, b/c I was able to cut rather well while on the dbol since I was really strict with diet and feel like I might be able to hit my target while on the second phase. So we will see as time goes on. Plans change all the time.

I appreciate all the feedback and I am receptive to anything that helps. Thanks everyone!

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

You plan to run HCG in your PCT and you are worried about 4 weeks of Ostarine in PCT? Makes no sense man. HCG is the worst thing you can use in PCT. It will absolutely hinder recovery. Ostarine for 4 weeks at only 25mg per day will not hinder recovery. Everything else looks good though and I am glad you are having fun so far! Seems like you are making some solid gains.

 

[apathy11303]

You plan to run HCG in your PCT and you are worried about 4 weeks of Ostarine in PCT? Makes no sense man. HCG is the worst thing you can use in PCT. It will absolutely hinder recovery. Ostarine for 4 weeks at only 25mg per day will not hinder recovery. Everything else looks good though and I am glad you are having fun so far! Seems like you are making some solid gains.

Sorry, let me correct, I am running HCG for 10 weeks as I thought it helps the HPG axis recover faster, but not actually during PCT b/c it may convert and cause gyno. Nevertheless, I do have Osta and S4, so its not a problem. I'll see how it all goes.

Thanks again and appreciate the input!!!