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thesuaveone
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Without knowing history, nobody will know. As you know everyone reacts differently.
flotown
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Well it appears its been covered pretty well that you shouldn't take that much on a first cycle. That being said there is no way of knowing without history or if this was a first cycle. I would have armidex on hand but wouldn't touch it unless i needed to. Me personally I have never had any estrogen problems. I've always got some stuff around though.
needtogetaas
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dont start with 750mg just dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my god - you guys are way too hung up on your own egos i must say, apart from ukkard who actually answered the question - thanks for that
AND I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE, if i had done, i would of said i was looking for advice.
a hypothetical question, im sure you all know but ill clarify incase, is one asked out of interest, as the answer will have no effect on the situation
i thought this was a place for discussion, obviously not.
AND I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE, if i had done, i would of said i was looking for advice.
a hypothetical question, im sure you all know but ill clarify incase, is one asked out of interest, as the answer will have no effect on the situation
i thought this was a place for discussion, obviously not.
thesuaveone
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needtogetaas said:
You can't say that without knowing anything about him. Well, you can, but it would be uneducated advice.
cincin said:
Don't get all bent out of shape dude. You asked a question that cannot be simply answered. I told you at 250mg you wouldn't need any anti-e because that is most likely the only dose (or lower) that you will get a definite answer without knowing anything else about you. Its like asking how much is it gonna cost me in gas to drive from New York to Florida without knowing the kind of car, price of gas, method of driving etc. you get the picture.
needtogetaas
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if you were going to run any cycle at any dose you should always have the a's you need on hand...at a dose of 750mg ew you may want to run adex .5mg ed.deff should have letro on hand as well.cincin said:
hyp1
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cincin said:
hey newb,try reading the fucking STICKIES!and stop your fucking whining and bitching.the stickies advise everyone that asks for advice to post stats,age,weight,past cycle history,proposed cyce etc so people can give you good recommendations and not just guess.a hypothetical question or not imo that's still asking advice...but in an indirect squeamish way.
this has nothing to do with egos,but applies more to the rules that were given for posting.no,offense.
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hypl, get bent. you obviously have no grasp or concept of a hypothetical situation, i wasnt looking for a recommendation, or advice, i was just curious as too the max dosages people have experimented with at those test levels. i believe this went way over your head. stick to things you know, like scratchin your ass and sniffin it. i guess guys like you dont have too many friends, well except the cyber ones, as if this is how you act in real life, i dont think too many people would put up with it. i know i wouldnt. thanks for the advice though, ill remember that there is no such thing as a hypothetical situation, in your opinion. No offence, lol
needto, thats all i was asking man. just upto what sort of dose would be used. i know some folk use 1mg/day, but wondered if any would go higher.
xrsist, do tell me what you think, you took the time to post, so make it count bro
so y'all know, i dont use aas, i make great gains naturally, but do find it interesting how hormonal levels can be manipulated (not only throught aas). therefore, that is why it is only hypothetical to me.
needto, thats all i was asking man. just upto what sort of dose would be used. i know some folk use 1mg/day, but wondered if any would go higher.
xrsist, do tell me what you think, you took the time to post, so make it count bro
so y'all know, i dont use aas, i make great gains naturally, but do find it interesting how hormonal levels can be manipulated (not only throught aas). therefore, that is why it is only hypothetical to me.
mickeyb69 said:
it can be answered ma man, all you need to do is give an effective range which most people find acceptable. the most i have heard people use is 1mg a day, whereas i wondered if anyone would say they found they required more.
The law of averages surely dictates that some people will find that at 250mgs week, they need some form of AI? or is this a definitive answer for everyone, if so, how do you know?
What do you call an effective range? between 0.5 and 5 mg/day. thats an awful big range. Use my driving analogy; I could say going from NY to Fla could cost between 100 and 600 dollars in gas depending on gas prices etc. but how useful is that info. think about it. Not to flame on you bro, but generally in life, when you ask a hypothetical question such as the one you asked, one that suggests you know nothing about the subject (not calling you ignorant so don't get offended) you're going to get resposes like the ones hyp1 and I gave you. Just a little food for thoughtcincin said:
Also, me saying "at 250 mg you don't need any anti-e," of course thats not 100% accurate, nothing is. But it probably is more accurate than saying "the most you will need is 1mg of anti-e" Some people need none at 750 mg, others are so prone to estrogen that no amount of anti-e will work with 750mg of test. More food for thought.
Just food for thought... Im one of those that dont have to take any anti-e. I may run dosages as high as 750-800mg ew along with d.bol, E.q and several other remedies and have never had to use anything. I do keep them on hand and hyothetically if I were to have to use them I would most likely use .5 to 1mg. On the other hand.... My training partner has to use 1mg even at a dose of 250mg a week. He is super prone to gyno and will get itching nips and soreness at seemingly any dose. Just my 2cc's worth.. Good luck in your research bro.
kyoshi6 said:
excellent man, thanks for that. i was talkin to another guy who is in the same situation as you, he just dosent need them no matter. you know if your bud ever tried going higher per day with the aromatase inhibitor? does his sensitivity limit his test usage to the lower end of dosage, or can he go higher if he his increases his aromatase inhibitor dose/uses a steroidal suicidal aromatase inhibitor (Type I) instead of non sterodial Type II?
mickeyb69 said:
Have you ever heard of anyone using 5mg/day of arimidex, or any other aromatase inhibitor? I have not, only the usual 0.25-1mg day doses. This is why i asked the question, to see if anyone has had to and what effects this had on them. I chose 750mg test as a mid level test dosage, not too high, not too low.
If you re-read my posts, i never suggested an effective dose. I asked people for their suggestions.
Regarding your next post, you now agree with me that at 250mgs/week some people may need a aromatase inhibitor, and that your original statement was not 100% accurate. If not 100% accurate, why did you state it as if it were fact and not just what you have found in your experience? that is a complete 180 on your earlier post. To be honest, your opinion is null and void in my eyes since you have suggested one thing and then completely changed your mind when i questioned it.
Also, if i knew nothing about the subject, surely i would of ask ' What is an aromatase inhibitor'. From your turn around, im afraid you are the one who comes accross as not knowing what you are talkin bout. and dont worry, im not offended but i might be ignorant.
hyp1 said:
ok hypl. If his post is great, have you heard of anyone or yourself used anthing close to 5mgs/day of an AI. if so, what were the effects apart from a lowering of conversion?
and did you read his other post? do you agree that was great too, if so, i would say you dont know what you are talkin bout as he clearly doesnt.
This will be my last post on this subject. You made a few good points so you're not completely ignorant on the subject. As far as the 5mg of anti-e, of course that dose is too high. I was attempting to make a point. If an individual gets gynecomastia at 750mg test so bad that anti-e is useless, than the effective range is technically zero to infinity. You see the point. Also, with regard to the 250mg dose, if you read my first post, I stated IN MOST CASES. I didn't say it applied to everyone. By correcting me essentially you're saying theres not a definite answer to a dose of 250mg. How the hell can we give you a definite answer to a dose of 750 mg then. Think about that for a moment. It appears you had an answer in your head and you just wanted to hear it from someone else. If thats the case, you should have reworded your first post. As far as that number goes (.5 -1 mg) thats probably correct for most people. But what about the few (10% or so) that try that dose of test and get irreversible gynecomastia. Do you tell them "1 mg of a-dex got rid of my gynecomastia, it should of worked for you." You see without knowing anything about you we don't know if you're( or anyone you pass that info to)is that 10% or not. Theres a big difference between telling people what they need to know as opposed to what they want to hear. I have read many posts here and for some fucked up reason, you tell people what they need to know and they get bent out of shape. Believe me, in the long run you're better off if someone tells you what you need to know. If you're the one giving the info. than don't tell someone just what they want to hear because you are afraid to hurt their feelings. Just mt .02, Peacecincin said:
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mickeyb69 said:
WOW, you dont even have the memory span of a goldfish bro. i suggest you re-read your own posts, dont even bother with mine, since you have started to make things up now. which post did you state, 'IN MOST CASES'?
any old how, keep outta my posts in future, your a retard who doesnt know his ass from his elbow. and just to let you know, using bold font really gets the point across, and dont attempt to make a point bro as its blatant you cant. between analogies and bullshit, theres not much left in your posts
cincin said:WOW, you dont even have the memory span of a goldfish bro. i suggest you re-read your own posts, dont even bother with mine, since you have started to make things up now. which post did you state, 'IN MOST CASES'?
any old how, keep outta my posts in future, your a retard who doesnt know his ass from his elbow. and just to let you know, using bold font really gets the point across, and dont attempt to make a point bro as its blatant you cant. between analogies and bullshit, theres not much left in your posts
this is an insulting post yer..????
hyp1
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cincin said:WOW, you dont even have the memory span of a goldfish bro. i suggest you re-read your own posts, dont even bother with mine, since you have started to make things up now. which post did you state, 'IN MOST CASES'?
any old how, keep outta my posts in future, your a retard who doesnt know his ass from his elbow. and just to let you know, using bold font really gets the point across, and dont attempt to make a point bro as its blatant you cant. between analogies and bullshit, theres not much left in your posts
no offense but you're just wanting to start shit.first you start this thread with a so called 'hypothetical question' and then state that you're not asking for advice when called on of you not complying with posting what the stickies all demand you do...........stats,history,etc then you literally throw a shit fit when someone doesn't give you an exact answer to a question where not everyone is going to respond the same way to a specific dose in the first place.
for you to then go and call someone a retard and say they don't have a memory span of a goldfish was the kicker ...........when in reality the dude was trying to help you I just find unacceptable and uncalled for.
what's your age bro?you join this site in july 2007 and now all of a sudden you're a fucking expert on everything?give me a break
hyp1 said:
wow, you really do read between the line and come up with something totally twisted, are you and mickey the same person? your posts are way too similar. he didnt help since he changed his opinion more times than i ate today when i questioned him - he stated something as fact then said he didnt - do you find that acceptable?(why i said bout the goldfish). that is no help - do you disagree? surely your opinion cannot change that quickly, and if it does then you shouldnt be posting as if someone was looking for advice, then that would be neither credible or useful - again do you disagree?
again you go on about me asking for advice (can you tell me when i stated i was looking for advice, if not, give up on it), when it should be blatant from the inital post i did not state i was lookin for advice (stats etc would only be needed if the answer related to the individual posting looking for advice). it was obvious, i was asking what dosages others have used and what they found useful - that is why i stated i know people respond differently, i.e. different people would have to use different dosages. and for you to call me out for starting shit, wow, i have thanked those who have given there opinion and questioned those who havent or who have stated a fact - this being hypothetical since it does not relate to me, did you read where i stated i do not use a a s? therefore why the fuck would i want advice on what dose i should run? and how could i believe i am an expert if i dont use? if so i would be advising people, which i never have - i dont have the experience, im calling on others.
of course i have a preconcieved idea of the answer to my question, i have seen the usual 0.25 - 1mg day advice but wondered if anyone requires more (as i have stated in previous post, did you read?) which is why i asked, surely that doesnt go over your head. it is purely educational.
Fuck me, so either fuck off or give me your opinion to this hypotheical question - which i still aint sure you understand the concept but ill give you the benefit of the doubt. im curious as to what you feel would be a hypothetical question? have you never wondered the answer to something which you will never do or experience?
for the record, it appears you are the one who wants to start shit since you post a bunch of bull numerous times but havent once given your opinion - do you even know what an aromatase inhibitor is? because i am unsure you do, check google, its pretty helpful.
hyp1
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cincin said:
bro that joined in july of this fucking month,I know shitloads more than you do and I don't appreciate your shitty fucking attitude especially coming from a dude that just joined this site or the unfair treatment that you dished out to people that have actually tried to help your smart ass,by giving you honest answers.
of course I know what an aromatase inhibitor is and go fuck yourself as far as referring me to google, you should have taken your own advice rather than try and get an answer to a so called 'hypothetical question' when in reality you were too chickenshit to be straight up and ask the question yourself because of being afraid to disclose your age,stats and whats required.
29 fucking posts and now you know it all eh?whats up with that junior? LOL
hyp1 said:
you are tooooo funny man, junior, i love it, been a long time since i've been called that - very flattered, thank you
how could i forget EF was the ONLY site that discussed the use of a a s, therefore of course by the date i joined/number of posts you can determine how much i know/do not know. i should of realised that myself (how could i of been so silly?). so exactly what is the required number of posts before it is deemed knowledge has been gained? Im disappointed so many of my 29 posts had to be in reply to your bullshit, but i suppose it is getting my post count closer to that required magical 'knowledge has been gained' level. one question though, and this aint hypothetical (you found out what that means yet?), do you throw me a party when i get there??
anyway since you didnt (or rather couldnt) respond to any of the points in my last post (post number 29, im getting closer) to which you replied (maybe it was just too long a read/too many big words for you?), i think i will leave it there with you. i have shown you for what you are, a definate candidate for a google internship. maybe then you'd learn sumtin son, and could actually back up your opinions/read long words.
so ill see you around mickeyb, sorry i mean hypl, no no mickeyb right? shit man, even im getting confused.
p.s. for the record, i did check out google before posting here, but i wanted to see what others had personally found _ so you'll be glad to know, I DID take my own advice
p.p.s. another step closer.
spell check pleasecincin said:you are tooooo funny man, junior, i love it, been a long time since i've been called that - very flattered, thank you
how could i forget EF was the ONLY site that discussed the use of a a s, therefore of course by the date i joined/number of posts you can determine how much i know/do not know. i should of realised that myself (how could i of been so silly?). so exactly what is the required number of posts before it is deemed knowledge has been gained? Im disappointed so many of my 29 posts had to be in reply to your bullshit, but i suppose it is getting my post count closer to that required magical 'knowledge has been gained' level. one question though, and this aint hypothetical (you found out what that means yet?), do you throw me a party when i get there??
anyway since you didnt (or rather couldnt) respond to any of the points in my last post (post number 29, im getting closer) to which you replied (maybe it was just too long a read/too many big words for you?), i think i will leave it there with you. i have shown you for what you are, a definate candidate for a google internship. maybe then you'd learn sumtin son, and could actually back up your opinions/read long words.
so ill see you around mickeyb, sorry i mean hypl, no no mickeyb right? shit man, even im getting confused.
p.s. for the record, i did check out google before posting here, but i wanted to see what others had personally found _ so you'll be glad to know, I DID take my own advice
p.p.s. another step closer.
hey I have a thread: My name is cincin and I have a hypothetical question, but if I were to buy some protein powder, what is the cost range of it. I don't use that stuff because I make great gains with regular food, just curious. Please don't ask me the type of protein, where I will get it from, or the amount because I don't think those facts pertain to my question. And don't argue with me because I know more than you.
GO AWAY YOU STUPID FUCKIN DONKEY
and another thing, you must be a real fuckin loser sitting up until 4:00 AM to make posts
mickeyb69 said:
lol, yeah you aint jokin man! but it seems you posted around that same time, so how does that reflect on you?
what did you want me to spell check?
and you shouldnt be posting bout protein powders in the a a s section brutha, think thats under supps, or nutrition.
p.s. that was a brutal insult by the way, dont think i can come back from that
perryscoon
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lol
Guys I have a few "hypothetical" questions. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ADVICE!
Where can I buy steroids?
Can I drink winny?
Whats PCT?
Please, these are only "hypothetical" and I DONT WANT ANY ADVICE!!!
thx
Guys I have a few "hypothetical" questions. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ADVICE!
Where can I buy steroids?
Can I drink winny?
Whats PCT?
Please, these are only "hypothetical" and I DONT WANT ANY ADVICE!!!
thx
gjohnson5
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I think this thread needs to be closed.
Posing a hypothetical question without any real details and then arguing with people when you get general information is just wasteful to the Nth degree
Post a question with specific detail and you'll get specific advice
Posing a hypothetical question without any real details and then arguing with people when you get general information is just wasteful to the Nth degree
Post a question with specific detail and you'll get specific advice
cincin said:think you need to start your own thread to get your answers bro
gjohnson5 said:
i agree, close it.
but how can i ask for specific advice, when all i wanted were others opinions on what they found useful since i dont even use A A S , i am just interested?????
if you actually take the time to read the thread, you will see i never argued with anyone who gave their own experiences. i only questioned one individual whos advice changed each time. the people that wished to argue were those who didnt even give an opinion. so make sure you actually have a valid point before criticising me bro.
cincin said:
You know you could have avoided all this mess if you had been more specific on your original post. You could have started the thread like this "for those who have run test at or around 750mg/week what amount of anti-e did you need. If you never ran this amount of test than don't answer"
See wasn't that easy.
Now please close this thread already
mickeyb69 said:
to be honest, i figured the guys on here would of been smart enough to deduced that from my original post. How could someone answer (or claim to know) if they have never run that amount of test before. what would they base an answer on? other peoples opinons like mickey the goldfish?
to me its all pure theory, therefore theoretical (a theory is only a theory until it is proved conclusive either way) - ergo Hypothetical. I guess very few of you understand what a hypothesis is, since some people have failed to understand a hypothetical situation.
Anyway, i dont think this could of been avoided because there are always some people who fail to understand no matter how many times you explain it to them. And it seems many who will cause shit, then are unable to reply to issues raised with them i.e. Mickey and Hypl. boys, read my questions to you carefully, the words aint that big, and answer them, or at least explain why you feel you cannot. its amazing how you can completely ignore issues when you cannot answer them, but maybe because you are the same person? possibly
anyway, thanks to the few who answered. i would still like to know how many people have gone above the 1mg per day or have felt they need to (or in fact felt that they needed to move to a stronger AI), but i guess i never will, since its obviously too difficult to understand why i would like to know since i dont personally use it.......oh and mickey, Fuck Off, no offence.......
Close it.
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