6 OXO Blood Test Results!

[Juice Authority]

Some of you may remember that a few months back I did an estrogen level check with my monthly blood test and found that by using chrysin and calcium D glucarate my e level went from a slightly high 37.6 to a respectable 27.4. This month I decided to use 6 OXO to see how it fared. The results are in.

My estrodiol was 26.

Now keep in mind there are many variables in play here and the numbers can go up and down a few points day to day. However, taken at face value, two basic conclusions can be drawn from these results.

6OXO will indeed work to lower estrogen.

And Two: It will lower estrogen approximately as well as Chrysin and calcium d glucarate.

Keep in mind also, the level of effect may vary depending on ones e elevation. Will it lower MORE e if estrogen is extremely high? Hard to say. Will it lower a "normal" estrogen level? Maybe.

Another interesting point to this test is the absurd claim that 6 OXO will raise testosterne 265%!!! Where do these companies come up with these preposterous claims?!? For one thing, the whole concept of a lowered estrogen level raising testosterone is completely misconstrued. (But that's a topic for another time). Anyway, my T level was right around where it's always been. Last month it was 920. (I'm on 100 mgs/wk HRT) This month it was 910. (In all fairness the test was taken 6 days after my shot and last month it was taken 5 days after). If 6OXO did what it claims, my T would be over 2000!!! Nonsense.

So there you have it, in black and white -- and red. On one hand I can say that ergopharm finally came out with a product that is effective. On the other hand, you can buy Chrysin and Calcium D Glucarate from BAC for less than half the price of 6 OXO , or if you don't want to cap and mix your own capsules, you can get "Post-Cycle" from Protein Factory and get Maca,Epimedium, Cndium, Milk Thistle, r-ala and Lecithin as well all in one shot.

I'd be willing to give 6OXO another try, but I'd like to see some more legit tests done. And they'll simply have to do better with the price. At any rate, I think it's good news to know that natural substances can help to control estrogen without nasty side effects.

I'm actually glad you started a thread on this. I've been wondering about this stuff. I personally thought the GNC rep was full of shit when he told me that 6OXO lowered estrogen levels while rasing test leves without any of the known side effects that you experience with Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, femera, etc.. He also went on to say that it lowers LDL levels and raises the HDL levels, which definitely had my attention since steroids mess up your lipid profile and ant-e's (especially Arimdex and femera) worsen the problem. Any truth to this?

 

[Triple J]

6OXO is a suicidal aromatase deactivator. So in that respect it may have some properties in common with aromisin. If that is the case it probably is not as hard on your lipid profiles as adex or fem.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Re: 6 OXO Blood Test Results!

I'm actually glad you started a thread on this. I've been wondering about this stuff. I personally thought the GNC rep was full of shit when he told me that 6OXO lowered estrogen levels while rasing test leves without any of the known side effects that you experience with Clomid, Nolva, Arimidex, femera, etc.. He also went on to say that it lowers LDL levels and raises the HDL levels, which definitely had my attention since steroids mess up your lipid profile and ant-e's (especially Arimdex and femera) worsen the problem. Any truth to this?

I think the GNC guy is just spouting rhetoric. Maybe he's been reading 1fast400's ridiculous hype.

I also think the original mesage of this thread has gotten a little off track. Yes, 6 OXO seems to work, but chrysin and calcium d glucarate worked equally as well and they're a lot less expensive. According to the info on the protein factory site, there haven't been an tests on this stuff other than the one's conducted by the company that a makes it. I would go with the chyrsin and cdg unless the 6 OXO came way down in price. I might even try both and see what happens.

Next supplement test: Ogoplex. No blood test on this one, just emperical evidence. I'm cynical so the placebo effect shouldn't be a factor. We'll see.

 

[variation]

IMO, you should have got blood work done again after chrysin and cdg was out of system for 1 month, to let natural estrogen levels return to normal state. then done 6-oxo again and had blood work after that just incase any other factors may have changed.

there is some other compounds I'd like to see what kind of effect they give to hormone levels, I can't easily get so many frequent blood test to do it myself though, so if you're interested in testing, state so.

 

[Triple J]

Nelson, a few other points and insights about your results and comparisons, keep in mind you are still keeping your administered T levels within a physiological range (although at the high end). As opposed to most cycles people actually run.

Now as I recall Chrysin is some type of aromatase inhibitor, whereas calcium glucarate is more of a liver enzyme up-regulator that enhances clearance of already formed estrogens from your system. It would be more meaningful to see results of either of these compounds alone.

More relevant still would be to see which therapies were most potent in someone running about 500mg T/wk.

Lastly, it would be interesting to see the effect on natural athlete test levels. I would expect an e inhibitor to raise T levels to some degree, perhaps in correlation with the degree to which their natural levels were not already high (or if they had high e levels) to start. Obviously when T is being administered one is shutdown and as long as this is the case nothing will stimulate T output except perhaps some HCG.

Obviously for your own purposes the chrysin/CdG combo works well but how useful this limited information is in more general terms is questionable. I still find the results interesting and particularly that you found 6OXO to have some value.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Triple and variation: All excellant points , and they all go to show, there are so many variables with these tests -- which is why a study that "concludes" one thing or another isn't always the hard evidence that one might think. Take into account that there is usualy an agenda involved in most research and suddenly what looked like "proof" looks more and more like biased BS.

A blood test on one individual is not the end -all-be -all of conclusive evidence. But it shows something tangible, from which we can make assumptions. That's better than most of the testing done on supplements.

 

[variation]

Triple and variation: All excellant points , and they all go to show, there are so many variables with these tests -- which is why a study that "concludes" one thing or another isn't always the hard evidence that one might think. Take into account that there is usualy an agenda involved in most research and suddenly what looked like "proof" looks more and more like biased BS.

A blood test on one individual is not the end -all-be -all of conclusive evidence. But it shows something tangible, from which we can make assumptions. That's better than most of the testing done on supplements.

very true, there are so many factors in anything it's virtually impossible to draw anything too conclusive from 1 study, and I agree with you, lots that do studies may have other agendas therefor they purposely manipulate certain factors to make the outcome appear more to their benefit (I'm not implying you did this, just agreeing with on on the one point that you made)

As I've noticed some study will suggest one thing and a year later another study will come out and state the exact opposite lol... usually takes years of studies by different parties before anything remotely conclusive can be drawn.. though some things can give us good likely insights, this is really good info Nelson, thanks for posting it.