being from the windy please compare no one with mj. mj was a gaurantee 45-50 point playoff player no matter what. he never had a bad game. don't compare lebron, kobe, d wade no one. mj could take any one of there teams to the championship. we had the worst team ever for a while. will purdue was our center not shaq. pippen was awesome but that was all we had at first. sure later on we got rodman and harper, but guys like paxson and the other heroes that popped up only did so because of mj. they will tell you that straight up. horace grant was a good player mj made him great. same goes for all of them. pippen got lazy after mj left. think about the fact that mj retitred rather than play somewhere else, the loyalty and heart is never gonna be comparable with the money now. though i think lebron is the most freakish talent, d wade does have the most heart and determination along with team play, kobe has the first part but not the latter. its not always his fault either, kobe tries to pass but his teammates fail. mj just brought out the best. give mj lamar odom and smush parker and you will have rings, give him larry hughes and zydrunas and damon jones he will win. give him shaq o lord they would never lose a game. miami earned it i bet them to win and i am glad they did, shaq is a good guy and d wade is loyal. but that was a stacked team, mj never had talent like that. g payton, j will, alonzo and shaq, antoine walker