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carrera104

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Hey guys
Just a quick question

i am 31
16 bf%
73 kg
173
i was lifting weight for almost 7 years with good foundation.
i'll be doing my 4Th cycle and decided to try tren
doing Tren a 300-400 a week , primo acetate 100-120 mg provirone 50mg a day. and milk thistle, live 52+fish oil..

Most of my previous cycles consisted of test and primo most of the time.



pls critique and if there is more stuff to add thanks...
 
He is closer to 5'6 but everyone is right that with 4 cycles, 16% bf @ 160lbs something is not right. Diet and training needs to be looked at.
I have similar stats but a little heavier and less bf% and even then I believe I need to build a better base.
 
stevesmi said:
5 8 and 161 pounds..with 16% body fat.. after 3 cycles. doesn't make any sense to me. 7 years of training and good foundation? before you run tren why don't we fix your training and diet first. if there was ever a time for it this is it.
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first of all i made a mistake about my bf, actually it 14% not 16%. The seven years was straight with good supplement without any aas.

thanks
 
carrera104 said:
i have chosen Tren because i wanna shed some body fat since it can work nice with calorie restricted diet.

Thanks for the input anyways
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I'm the pro on here when it comes to tren, no one else has studied it like I have nor has as much recent experience with it.

if you want to run a calorie restricted diet tren is actually a piss poor choice, tren actually will de-hydrate you and also effect your glycogen levels and blood sugar. you won't be able to run a keto diet on it for that reason.. if you do then you will feel a lot of dizziness and feel like absolute shit like what many guys report. which makes running it pointless if you cannot get enough energy to even hit the gym hard. trust me I have tried tren on all kinds of diets, you have less sides and more energy on tren when you EAT on it. clean eating, but you will need calories on it.

if you truely want a calorie restrictive AAS then go with primo. thats the best one to use

but I again will tell you to build a better base. 5 8 and 161 pounds is tiny bro.. and that is after 2 cycles. you should be in the 180's or more by now with 14% body fat.. now if you were trimmed up and 8% body fat then i would say it would be fine.. but 14% body fat means you don't have very much muscle mass so need to hit the weights harder

if you keep running cycles and stay at 160 then eventually you are gonna have to stop being stubborn and change something about what you are doing so might as well start now
 
stevesmi said:
I'm the pro on here when it comes to tren, no one else has studied it like I have nor has as much recent experience with it.

if you want to run a calorie restricted diet tren is actually a piss poor choice, tren actually will de-hydrate you and also effect your glycogen levels and blood sugar. you won't be able to run a keto diet on it for that reason.. if you do then you will feel a lot of dizziness and feel like absolute shit like what many guys report. which makes running it pointless if you cannot get enough energy to even hit the gym hard. trust me I have tried tren on all kinds of diets, you have less sides and more energy on tren when you EAT on it. clean eating, but you will need calories on it.

if you truely want a calorie restrictive AAS then go with primo. thats the best one to use

but I again will tell you to build a better base. 5 8 and 161 pounds is tiny bro.. and that is after 2 cycles. you should be in the 180's or more by now with 14% body fat.. now if you were trimmed up and 8% body fat then i would say it would be fine.. but 14% body fat means you don't have very much muscle mass so need to hit the weights harder

if you keep running cycles and stay at 160 then eventually you are gonna have to stop being stubborn and change something about what you are doing so might as well start now
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actually you are one of those guys that made tren so delicious to me since i've been reading your threads about it.
what if i increased the calorie range with Tren with that help..?
 
carrera104 said:
Hey guys
Just a quick question

i am 31
16 bf%
73 kg
173
i was lifting weight for almost 7 years with good foundation.
i'll be doing my 4Th cycle and decided to try tren
doing Tren a 300-400 a week , primo acetate 100-120 mg provirone 50mg a day. and milk thistle, live 52+fish oil..

Most of my previous cycles consisted of test and primo most of the time.



pls critique and if there is more stuff to add thanks...
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So you want to run primi, provirone and tren without test? Well the provirone may do alright with keeping prolactin and estrogen in check but you still may suffer from low test side effects.
Your choice in liver support is a bit week but not to big a deal because neather oral primo or provirone will cause any problems there..I'm going to assume you are smart enough to run tren ace with this cycke and it would be in your best interest to run the provirone 2 weeks past the tren. Something like 6 weeks tren ace and 8 weeks primo and provirone is what I would do. I my self would add in 250mg a week test 2 and run that 10 weeks too though. Or test prop for 8 weeks with the prov and primo. ..

Now you want to run hcgenerate the last 4 weeks of this cycle 3 caps am 2 caps pm. Add something into pct that will help prevent a rebound in prolactin like forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm for 4 weeks or add prami .dmg every 3 days to your exsisting pct what ever weak pct you have planed will need it I am sure.

If you can't bring your self to add test to the cycle then at least add Rs-transaderm 5 pumps every moring.... If you or anyone needs any help send me a pm
 
carrera104 said:
actually you are one of those guys that made tren so delicious to me since i've been reading your threads about it.
what if i increased the calorie range with Tren with that help..?
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No one is trying to be a prick here but did you read any of the previous posts???? Juice is not the answer

~EZ
 
carrera104 said:
Hey guys
Just a quick question

i am 31
16 bf%
73 kg
173
i was lifting weight for almost 7 years with good foundation.
i'll be doing my 4Th cycle and decided to try tren
doing Tren a 300-400 a week , primo acetate 100-120 mg provirone 50mg a day. and milk thistle, live 52+fish oil..

Most of my previous cycles consisted of test and primo most of the time.



pls critique and if there is more stuff to add thanks...
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So you want to run primi, provirone and tren without test? Well the provirone may do alright with keeping prolactin and estrogen in check but you still may suffer from low test side effects.
Your choice in liver support is a bit week but not to big a deal because neather oral primo or provirone will cause any problems there..I'm going to assume you are smart enough to run tren ace with this cycke and it would be in your best interest to run the provirone 2 weeks past the tren. Something like 6 weeks tren ace and 8 weeks primo and provirone is what I would do. I my self would add in 250mg a week test 2 and run that 10 weeks too though. Or test prop for 8 weeks with the prov and primo. ..

Now you want to run hcgenerate the last 4 weeks of this cycle 3 caps am 2 caps pm. Add something into pct that will help prevent a rebound in prolactin like forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm for 4 weeks or add prami .dmg every 3 days to your exsisting pct what ever weak pct you have planed will need it I am sure.

If you can't bring your self to add test to the cycle then at least add Rs-transaderm 5 pumps every moring.... If you or anyone needs any help send me a pm
 
carrera104 said:
actually you are one of those guys that made tren so delicious to me since i've been reading your threads about it.
what if i increased the calorie range with Tren with that help..?
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I had a base before I ran tren bro. I didn't put up the threads with the purpose to convincing guys with no base who aren't ready to go and run tren. its an advanced AAS.

if you run it and you don't have your training in check then you will be majorly dissapointed, trust me.
 
needtogetaas said:
So you want to run primi, provirone and tren without test? Well the provirone may do alright with keeping prolactin and estrogen in check but you still may suffer from low test side effects.
Your choice in liver support is a bit week but not to big a deal because neather oral primo or provirone will cause any problems there..I'm going to assume you are smart enough to run tren ace with this cycke and it would be in your best interest to run the provirone 2 weeks past the tren. Something like 6 weeks tren ace and 8 weeks primo and provirone is what I would do. I my self would add in 250mg a week test 2 and run that 10 weeks too though. Or test prop for 8 weeks with the prov and primo. ..

Now you want to run hcgenerate the last 4 weeks of this cycle 3 caps am 2 caps pm. Add something into pct that will help prevent a rebound in prolactin like forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm for 4 weeks or add prami .dmg every 3 days to your exsisting pct what ever weak pct you have planed will need it I am sure.

If you can't bring your self to add test to the cycle then at least add Rs-transaderm 5 pumps every moring.... If you or anyone needs any help send me a pm
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thanks needto that is a big help, i am considering adding test too.
 
RickRock13 said:
I have to agree that I don't think Tren is the right move for you right now. It is definitely a compound that should be reserved for advanced users, and those that have built a great base with the proper diet and training
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even a great base will not be that huge without aas, frankly speaking...
 
That's not true. Genetics are gonna depend just how much of a great base you have, but can be very well developed with just a good diet, training and a few supplements to aid you.

Sent from my DROID3 using EliteFitness
 
carrera104 said:
even a great base will not be that huge without aas, frankly speaking...
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Very poor way to view AAS, it's not a magic cure-all

~EZ
 
carrera104 said:
even a great base will not be that huge without aas, frankly speaking...
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That statement proves you have a lot to learn. Not trying to be a prick. But you need more training, more food, and a few good supplements. Steroids don;t build muscle out of nothing and you have to have some foundation on which they can maximize growth.
 
carrera104 said:
even a great base will not be that huge without aas, frankly speaking...
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I trained for 13 years bro before touching AAS and I will tell you that today my gains come very easy. want to know why? cause muscle memory. those QUALITY hours and hours and hours I put in the weight room were an investment.

i have told this story before but will tell it again cause it actually happened and its an example of what body memory is all about. I used to train with a triathlete who would run 16 minute 5K's and he was in his late 30's. that is good enough to win most road races around the country and good enough to place very high in even cities like Miami or NYC which have huge populations of runners and competition is stiff. anyway the guy was playing flag football and had his leg snapped like a twig making an interception and another guy fell into him. he was on crutches and could not even walk for 6 months while the leg healed.

fast forward 6 months he gets cleared to run again .. trains his ass off .. 2 months later guess what happened? he is back at 16 minutes!!!! ... yet i was training my ass off too while he was on crutches yet couldn't break 20 minutes!! why? cause he had been running since he was 6 years old religiously and all throughout school and even college. I had not put in even close to as many hours as him

now we can substitute any kind of fitness into that. lets use bench pressing as an example.. a dude who benches 400 pounds. breaks his arm.. comes back 6 months later and then trains and 2 months later is back at 400 pounds.

so the point is all those hours he put in prior building a base paid off for him. and no matter what happens where you have to take time off down the line you can come back fast cause of that memory.

so i tell young guys especially start lifting and getting into fitness early in life. its very important. no need to use AAS though
 
Nelson Montana said:
That statement proves you have a lot to learn. Not trying to be a prick. But you need more training, more food, and a few good supplements. Steroids don;t build muscle out of nothing and you have to have some foundation on which they can maximize growth.
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i know Nelson you are right but because i was pissed off when you meet guys at the gym addicted to aas then they will tell you it is all natural...:mad:
 
stevesmi said:
I trained for 13 years bro before touching AAS and I will tell you that today my gains come very easy. want to know why? cause muscle memory. those QUALITY hours and hours and hours I put in the weight room were an investment.

i have told this story before but will tell it again cause it actually happened and its an example of what body memory is all about. I used to train with a triathlete who would run 16 minute 5K's and he was in his late 30's. that is good enough to win most road races around the country and good enough to place very high in even cities like Miami or NYC which have huge populations of runners and competition is stiff. anyway the guy was playing flag football and had his leg snapped like a twig making an interception and another guy fell into him. he was on crutches and could not even walk for 6 months while the leg healed.

fast forward 6 months he gets cleared to run again .. trains his ass off .. 2 months later guess what happened? he is back at 16 minutes!!!! ... yet i was training my ass off too while he was on crutches yet couldn't break 20 minutes!! why? cause he had been running since he was 6 years old religiously and all throughout school and even college. I had not put in even close to as many hours as him

now we can substitute any kind of fitness into that. lets use bench pressing as an example.. a dude who benches 400 pounds. breaks his arm.. comes back 6 months later and then trains and 2 months later is back at 400 pounds.

so the point is all those hours he put in prior building a base paid off for him. and no matter what happens where you have to take time off down the line you can come back fast cause of that memory.

so i tell young guys especially start lifting and getting into fitness early in life. its very important. no need to use AAS though
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Thanks for sharing..
 
carrera104 said:
i know Nelson you are right but because i was pissed off when you meet guys at the gym addicted to aas then they will tell you it is all natural...:mad:
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cause its illegal and you can go to jail for posessing them!

so of course people are gonna say they are natural with a wink.
 
stevesmi said:
I trained for 13 years bro before touching AAS and I will tell you that today my gains come very easy. want to know why? cause muscle memory. those QUALITY hours and hours and hours I put in the weight room were an investment.

i have told this story before but will tell it again cause it actually happened and its an example of what body memory is all about. I used to train with a triathlete who would run 16 minute 5K's and he was in his late 30's. that is good enough to win most road races around the country and good enough to place very high in even cities like Miami or NYC which have huge populations of runners and competition is stiff. anyway the guy was playing flag football and had his leg snapped like a twig making an interception and another guy fell into him. he was on crutches and could not even walk for 6 months while the leg healed.

fast forward 6 months he gets cleared to run again .. trains his ass off .. 2 months later guess what happened? he is back at 16 minutes!!!! ... yet i was training my ass off too while he was on crutches yet couldn't break 20 minutes!! why? cause he had been running since he was 6 years old religiously and all throughout school and even college. I had not put in even close to as many hours as him

now we can substitute any kind of fitness into that. lets use bench pressing as an example.. a dude who benches 400 pounds. breaks his arm.. comes back 6 months later and then trains and 2 months later is back at 400 pounds.

so the point is all those hours he put in prior building a base paid off for him. and no matter what happens where you have to take time off down the line you can come back fast cause of that memory.

so i tell young guys especially start lifting and getting into fitness early in life. its very important. no need to use AAS though
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Muscle memory or is it more the fact that he knew wat it took to get to that level in the first place? Not trying to start an argument but I don't believe muscle memory has anything to do with it, more so the fact that one can be at a high level in bodybuilding,rugby etc. and after an incident are injured for a substantial amount of time but are determined enough to get back to that high level and understanding wat they need to do exactly to reach it.
 
stevesmi said:
I'm the pro on here when it comes to tren, no one else has studied it like I have nor has as much recent experience with it.

if you want to run a calorie restricted diet tren is actually a piss poor choice, tren actually will de-hydrate you and also effect your glycogen levels and blood sugar. you won't be able to run a keto diet on it for that reason.. if you do then you will feel a lot of dizziness and feel like absolute shit like what many guys report. which makes running it pointless if you cannot get enough energy to even hit the gym hard. trust me I have tried tren on all kinds of diets, you have less sides and more energy on tren when you EAT on it. clean eating, but you will need calories on it.

if you truely want a calorie restrictive AAS then go with primo. thats the best one to use

but I again will tell you to build a better base. 5 8 and 161 pounds is tiny bro.. and that is after 2 cycles. you should be in the 180's or more by now with 14% body fat.. now if you were trimmed up and 8% body fat then i would say it would be fine.. but 14% body fat means you don't have very much muscle mass so need to hit the weights harder

if you keep running cycles and stay at 160 then eventually you are gonna have to stop being stubborn and change something about what you are doing so might as well start now
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Are you saying that every pro BBer that uses tren precontest while in a calorie deficit is using it wrong?
 
^^^ we aren't discussing a pro BB's strategy to comping for a contest.

we are discussing a person who is underweight trying to gain and how best to use tren. I like to micro-manage a persons problem and try to help them. your problem is you don't read threads and take into account a person's goals.. you do this a lot actually.. your advice for him to cut out calories is not helping him, its hurting .. I think 99.9% of people agree that upping calories is a good way to gain more mass. I still love you though but your constant trolling gets annoying after a while :)

if you want to start up a thread about how to use tren to comp for a contest then I would love to have that debate as well. you should start up a thread for that, but confusing the OP isn't helping the guy is it?
 
I wasn't trolling. It was a legitimate question.

When you make some bold starements, people disagree. You're right though. This is the wrong thread for that.
 
zwhit said:
I wasn't trolling. It was a legitimate question.

When you make some bold starements, people disagree. You're right though. This is the wrong thread for that.
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not a bold statement and you know it if you have run tren before.

many guys say tren will cause a person to feel blah, there is a reason for that.. and one of the reasons (which isn't bold at all and you can get a glucose monitor to confirm this yourself) is from low blood sugar. hence you NEED calories on tren. now i'm not saying go and eat 7K calories.. but i'm saying after a workout if you don't get in some cals you will start having low blood sugar symptoms like feeling blah and getting the shakes etc.

now having used tren quite a bit and studying it i have found if you get in cals in the morning, evening and after workouts you will keep your energy levels strong and won't feel like shit on it. the same can be said of superdrol/beastdrol, and its widely agreed you should get in calories and carbs on the beast or you will pay the price. now you can easily achieve a calorie deficit that way.. BUT again we go back to the OP who is underweight as it is, he shouldn't even think about running tren at a calorie deficit.

i know that comping is not the most fun thing cause I have done it myself. so there is a risk vs. reward which makes it worth it for those guys who are pro's.. for the OP though my 'bold statement' was simply that if he wants to gain without calories then use primo instead with test. that would be a much better option than tren. I have ran primo in a wide calorie deficit and I got good clean results from it. but with tren the risk vs. reward makes it a tough proposition.

and for the record if i ever compete I don't plan on using tren.. atleast not close to the competition. it would be too brutal to go into a comp de-hydrated and with low blood sugar symptoms plus have the tren make those problems worse too.
 
Ftsk said:
Muscle memory or is it more the fact that he knew wat it took to get to that level in the first place? Not trying to start an argument but I don't believe muscle memory has anything to do with it, more so the fact that one can be at a high level in bodybuilding,rugby etc. and after an incident are injured for a substantial amount of time but are determined enough to get back to that high level and understanding wat they need to do exactly to reach it.
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muscle memory, as you said knowing how to get to that level, and genetics is a factor.

but trust me muscle memory is real.

all things being equal example: if 2 guys who are 30 start lifting and both guys are in shitty shape the guy who used to be jacked will improve much faster than the guy who never worked out in his life.

this is why i stress guys should start lifting at 14 or 15, it will pay off when they get older and help out bigtime.

keep in mind in my previous post I worked out with that guy but he still went from being slower than me, to blowing me away. i was like WTF? i actually believed what you said and thought shit if i just stay with this guy i can improve with him. but it didn't happen.. that is when i knew muscle memory and body memory is a real thing ..
 
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