200mg Deca All year?

[layinback]

Very good post, but there are too many rule thumpers.

Nobody is the same, no person has the same risk factors for disease or controls all their risk factors the same way.

AAS dosage and use are highly individual, and if done under a doc's supervision can be done with minimal sides.

ffs people, stop getting your post count up with posts such as: Opinions (the likes of): test over 500mg a week isn't necessary! Or you are going to die doing dnp!

I would love if we could have objective scientific discussions, with personal anecdotal evidence used as collateral rather than substantive proof.

the prescribing info for aas is scientific. look at the prescribing info for

testosterone. reference the literature for long term anabolic androgenics

scientific medical journals are chock full of double blind controlled studies

physicians who have scores of patients and do the labs are considered

experts in the field.

of course we are all different. who advocated a homogeneous approach

to HRT?

this is a juicer board. by its nature, it will be predominately anecdotal

i agree with you bro but it's idealistic and naive to think this board

will rise to the bar of scientific methodology.

 

[sensational]

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the prescribing info for aas is scientific. look at the prescribing info for

testosterone. reference the literature for long term anabolic androgenics

scientific medical journals are chock full of double blind controlled studies

physicians who have scores of patients and do the labs are considered

experts in the field.

of course we are all different. who advocated a homogeneous approach

to HRT?

this is a juicer board. by its nature, it will be predominately anecdotal

i agree with you bro but it's idealistic and naive to think this board

will rise to the bar of scientific methodology.

Um, you just slammed me back to reality lol. you are right though.

 

[str8nubin]

Don't stress sensational

Group think is a very real thing, but easy to identify

There are best practices of course that are best to stick by, on a board where maybe 30-50 guys post in a night yet 1300+ will be viewing at any given time

LB that post was a beaut

 

[str8nubin]

Don't stress sensational

Group think is a very real thing, but easy to identify

There are best practices of course that are best to stick by, on a board where maybe 30-50 guys post in a night yet 1300+ will be viewing at any given time

LB that post was a beaut

+1

Gotta love group think

 

[layinback]

Um, you just slammed me back to reality lol. you are right though.

it's ok bro. there's a lot of kids on this board and when i say *kids* i mean

little boys aged 15 - 18. we all try to be cognizant of this and watch what

we post. sometimes we have to forgo the truth so these kids will not twist

it to their own devices. a friend of mine sent me a k message to that

effect, just after i posted the above.


then you have the usual array of opinions and philosophies of the "gurus"

there are lots of experienced and knowledgeable folks here. the trick is

teasing out the horse shit.

more and more i'm cross referencing everything with the literature.

i have a very seasoned HRT doc and he is not shy about discussing

aas. he's very familiar with the illicit use of these substances (he's

a power lifter) and all the peripheral myth and misconceptions.

he's already straightened my ass out on several false beliefs i

held as gospel lol.

 

[EricG]

I agree with you a lot can be done with proper care and supervision, but it all depends on the person.

I think the reason why you see every mod here more conservative is just for the well being of people. A few years ago someone was recomending newbs to hit a gram of test because "imagine how much you could grow with virgin receptors" and a whole lot of bullshit like that, while now seems like the board has the best ineterest of people, so recomends safer protocols.

If it wasnt for slat1 I problably would of hit that not knowing better, but i waited 3 years later (now) to hit my first cycle due to his good advice.

So it may seem a little conservative, but its good for newbs/peeps that don't know better. But of course with the right supervision and knowing what your doing you can do a lot more then whats the "norm" .

-Eric

 

[perryscoon]

Hes 40 just tryin to keep his size...hes also doing like 200mg of Enthanate also

I have learned that the best way to keep your size post cycle is to take creatine, keep your protein high, run an excellent PCT regiment, and continue to train hard. If you do this, you will lose hardly any gains at all. I can confirm that this works, as I have done it wrong many time in the past and have learned from it.

 

[OMEGA]

about 200 mgs of Test



if your a Big boy with a certain amount of LBM or a large body 200mgs Test is Barely enough to be normal ( T Levels and Dependant on your response )

I also disagree with the 1:1 Ratio of Test to Deca, it would be more like 2:1 or 3:1

 

[Nelson Montana]

please start with me. i am on 200 deca and 400 cyp year round.

my best friend \ business partner is on very similar.

my doc says he's had dozens of peeps on this year round

for years.

of course these boards will tell ya that you can't run orals longer

than 6 - 8 weeks lol. look at the prescribing info in the PDR for

anadrol 50. it suggest 3 months minimum for treatment of anemia

and a maximum of 6 months.

under a docs supervision you can run anavar in low dose year round.

you have to keep a check on HDL. liver is rarely a problem and is

idiosyncratic.

don't get me wrong, i've gleaned a lot of info from this board but there's

a lot of bullshit too.

I agree for the most part but would take issue with a couple of points.

Just because a doc prescribes something long term doesn't mean it isn't healthy. Their objective is to cure the "disease" and as we all know (or should) sometimes the cure is worse than the illness.

Lots of stuff is "tolerable.' Hell, cigerattes and booze can be tolerated by many, but that doesn't mean they're harmless.

600 mgs of gear year round is quite a bit and most people will develop sides after a while. Some may not. Of course these things have to be checked but 600 mgs is far more than you "need."

And yeah, some of the advice I see on this board makes me cringe. But it's a board, not a soapbox for a select few. Everybody has a voice. But thankfully the vets are respected and step up to straighten the record. And even then, there will always be differing opinions.

 

[needtogetaas]

please start with me. i am on 200 deca and 400 cyp year round.

my best friend \ business partner is on very similar.

my doc says he's had dozens of peeps on this year round

for years.

of course these boards will tell ya that you can't run orals longer

than 6 - 8 weeks lol. look at the prescribing info in the PDR for

anadrol 50. it suggest 3 months minimum for treatment of anemia

and a maximum of 6 months.

under a docs supervision you can run anavar in low dose year round.

you have to keep a check on HDL. liver is rarely a problem and is

idiosyncratic.

don't get me wrong, i've gleaned a lot of info from this board but there's

a lot of bullshit too.

Yes You are on test and deca. Not just deca.