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Oilfield_Trash

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Ok first off, forgive me guys for I am a noob, I have been researching this for a bit and someone says one thing then someone else says the exact opposite. I've decided to take the leap and try anabolics. I'm trying to get ready to start a 10 week cycle of Test prop and a 4 week kick start with Dbol. I have a friend that does body building and he is currently putting a diet together for me that will be somewhat easy to accomplish with my work schedule.
My question is where in the hell do I buy clomid? I found an OTC estrogen blocker that is called clomex but I'm not sure that will work too well. Am I suppose to take the AI during my cycle or after during my pct. Also is HCG a sufficient pct? Since this is my first cycle and I am a noob I'm not entirely sure what else I need to take and when to take it, or where to get it for that matter, so please be gentle lol. Also is extremepeptides.com a good source for an AI?

I'm 28, 340lbs 26% BF. I work in the south Texas oil fields so physical labor is always present. I do as many push ups, sit ups, and dips as I can possibly do during my shift but EOD so I can recover. I run about a mile everyday after shift also. I take in no junk food and only water and tea, occasionally Gatorade after a good run or hot day at work. I try to stay away from sugars as well.
Thanks in advance guys, any guidance is appreciated. If you have questions ask away!
 
Do u actualli.go.to the gym rather than work related physical activitiea and doing push ups

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Dvoted yes I do hit the gym about 4 times a week for about an hour.

Idobehigh I forgot to mention that I'm 6'2". I'm sure Italy not make a huge difference but I thought I'd throw it out there. What would you recommend I start with? Would winstrol be okay to take to help drop the body fat percentage?
Again thank you guys for the help!
 
No I wouldn't run any aas or ph at all bro until you get around 15% bf.. You can run a fat burner if you like they have a good selection
 
winstrol isnt going to help you. neither is clen or t3 before anyone goes there.

you need a good strong otc fat burner, proper cutting diet and an assload of cardio. doing this correctly will drop bodyfat off you with a quickness.

using aas at your weight/bf % will get you unwanted side effects, higher than normal estrogen levels, and put a bigger strain on your lipids and CNS.
are you actually 340 or was it a typo and you're 240?
 
I totally agree with the people on here. I am still new to this community but after constantly doing my research here and picking up things and also by pming people on the forums I have learned a crap ton of information.

My advice to you is this (which has been already said): DIET DIET DIET!!! If you ask any professional, novice, or gym enthusiast DIET is 70% LIFTING HARD/CARDIO is 30%. Get your diet right first and drop that BF%.

Remember steroids is not something that makes you bigger or more cut its used for recovery. Thus, it lets you go HAM in the gym and keeps letting you go HAM all over again the next day and the next.

In conclusion; set up a CLEAN diet i dont know how tall you are but either way your a big boy. Try to eat 340g carbs 700g protein and some fats and eat some good fats approx 50g that should be a decent macro for you even though i dont know how tall you are. Key thing is eat smaller portioned meals (size of your fist) throughout the day and also drink a crap ton of water. Water is 1)healthier then other crap out there 2)helps with matabolism 3)flushes your system out. general rule of thumb: drink around 8-10 glasses of water a day.

also how burnthiscorpse and other people said only after your diet and bf is correct should one go forward with aas.
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
Ok first off, forgive me guys for I am a noob, I have been researching this for a bit and someone says one thing then someone else says the exact opposite. I've decided to take the leap and try anabolics. I'm trying to get ready to start a 10 week cycle of Test prop and a 4 week kick start with Dbol. I have a friend that does body building and he is currently putting a diet together for me that will be somewhat easy to accomplish with my work schedule.
My question is where in the hell do I buy clomid? I found an OTC estrogen blocker that is called clomex but I'm not sure that will work too well. Am I suppose to take the AI during my cycle or after during my pct. Also is HCG a sufficient pct? Since this is my first cycle and I am a noob I'm not entirely sure what else I need to take and when to take it, or where to get it for that matter, so please be gentle lol. Also is extremepeptides.com a good source for an AI?

I'm 28, 340lbs 26% BF. I work in the south Texas oil fields so physical labor is always present. I do as many push ups, sit ups, and dips as I can possibly do during my shift but EOD so I can recover. I run about a mile everyday after shift also. I take in no junk food and only water and tea, occasionally Gatorade after a good run or hot day at work. I try to stay away from sugars as well.
Thanks in advance guys, any guidance is appreciated. If you have questions ask away!
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Well your bodyfat is way too high, but you'll likely run a cycle anyhow no matter what we say, so here we go.




10 weeks
500mgs test e/week
Arimidex 0.25mgs EOD
d-spark 1cap/day
HCGenerate ES 3 caps AM/2 pre-workout
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM

Bridge: 2 weeks
HCGenerate - 2 caps AM/1 post workout
Bridge from N2BM

PCT: 4 weeks
kick start (2 weeks): HCGenerate - 2 caps AM/1 post workout/1 PM
+ d-spark 1cap/ED
Clomid 50/25/25/25
arimidex 0.25mgs EOD
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
 
Burnthiscorpse I will set up a clean diet first thanks and no I'm 340 pounds. Lol ill upload a pic
Mbag012 I meant test p, but I'm a noob lol so ill go with test e I suppose.
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
I do as many push ups, sit ups, and dips as I can possibly do during my shift but EOD so I can recover. I run about a mile everyday after shift also.!
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I love it - as many push ups, sit ups and dips as poss in a shift. That's awesome and a little old school.

Keep up the good work.

Bf is high to cycle though. If you do, watch the gyno/estrogen as it will be likely.
 
I think you already have gyno.
Seriously, you need to get down in BF, 15% is a good number I would say you are in the 30+ BF range right now. Running is not the preferred method of loosing fat. Read up on HIIT its less time consuming but more calorie consuming, so it allows you to loose fat quicker. Change you eating also, do some research on this site on the diet section.
Steroids at this point won't help, they don't burn fat, they build muscle so what you will have is a lot of muscle under a thick layer of fat which will look horrible.
 
goin on 4T said:
I think you already have gyno.
Seriously, you need to get down in BF, 15% is a good number I would say you are in the 30+ BF range right now. Running is not the preferred method of loosing fat. Read up on HIIT its less time consuming but more calorie consuming, so it allows you to loose fat quicker. Change you eating also, do some research on this site on the diet section.
Steroids at this point won't help, they don't burn fat, they build muscle so what you will have is a lot of muscle under a thick layer of fat which will look horrible.
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I've never done and gear so does that mean I've just got naturally high e? ...fuck. I will look into HIIT like you said and I will get the body fat down before I start anything
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
I've never done and gear so does that mean I've just got naturally high e? ...fuck. I will look into HIIT like you said and I will get the body fat down before I start anything
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Way to be smart bro. It sucks to wait but in your situation it could be rather unhealthy. You wont know if you have gyno until you drop a lot of fat.

I agree with 4T that your 30%+ . You look like a big strong guy but I would wager you could drop 100 lb. Do your diet research. High protein, very low carbs, moderate GOOD fats. HIIT cardio is definitely the way to go bro. The first 50 lb should come off pretty quick and easy.
 
You can have low test and high E, just the cards you were dealt from mother nature or from your diet. Look at some really fat guys and start noticing where the fat sits. I have been doing this for long enough I can tell when certain parts of my body have a higher bf than normal whether its from hi e, lack of cardio or just fat from eating like crap, sometimes if I am super flat it's from no carbs.
I just quit my cycle because I was holding water and wanted to start from scratch to see what the fuck was causing the retention. So in the last 10 days I have lost 12lbs of water weight. There is so much chemistry in hormones and diet, that is why you need to start with a diet and stick to the same fucking diet every day at the same time every day. Then do HIIT and loose the weight, then add AAS if you choose, but one at time so you can see the effects that it has not only physically (muscle and bone structure), but mentally and physiologically (internally).
Good luck bro and I was 30+BF once or twice too; it is really easy to get there. But from there I have been down below 8% more often now that I know what NOT to do.
Good luck bro.
 
Burn, I got down to 260 from 355 in just under 5 months when I was younger, crazy dieting and lots of cardio and hydroxicut (which I don't take anymore). I ended up looking more slim but not muscular at all. Yeah I was uneducated. I'm trying to do it right this time around and look half decent afterwards.

4T do you recommends a book I can learn some of the do's and dont's from? Or did you gain your knowledge over time from the forums? Just looking for a good place to learn also
 
burnthiscorpse said:
To echo 4T....I was doing just prop recently and was cutting. Looking good and not looking like I was holding any water. When I stopped because of injury I lost 10 lb of water. Fuck me!!

get some bloods done bro. See where your natural Test level is.
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Not too sound too green, but what type of doctor would I go to for this?
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
Not too sound too green, but what type of doctor would I go to for this?
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Just your general practitioner bro. Also known as an idiot. (most of them are)

Just get your regular bloodwork done. If you don't do it regularly then start doing it as much as your insurance will pay for it. Especially if you plan on cycling in the future.

Just have a Free and total testosterone test added to it. Don't ask..... TELL.
 
4T do you recommends a book I can learn some of the do's and dont's from? Or did you gain your knowledge over time from the forums? Just looking for a good place to learn also[/QUOTE]

Reading not just this forum but several others. I just made this my home forum because I thought this was the most knowledgeable AAS forum.
 
you would be out of your mind for doing steroids at your size. you are way too fat. no steroids don't turn you into what you want like a magic pill, it takes a lot of hard work in the gym and diet.

you need to clean the shit out of your diet right now. yeah your estrogen is sky high, but that is cause you let yourself go so much.. only way to correct it is to change your diet.

i hate to ask this cause guys always lie but what is your diet like now? please don't put down what you eat once or twice a week and pretend you are doing everything right.. i wasn't born yesterday. until you fix your diet you can run everyday and it won't put much of a dent into anything
 
stevesmi said:
you would be out of your mind for doing steroids at your size. you are way too fat. no steroids don't turn you into what you want like a magic pill, it takes a lot of hard work in the gym and diet.

you need to clean the shit out of your diet right now. yeah your estrogen is sky high, but that is cause you let yourself go so much.. only way to correct it is to change your diet.

i hate to ask this cause guys always lie but what is your diet like now? please don't put down what you eat once or twice a week and pretend you are doing everything right.. i wasn't born yesterday. until you fix your diet you can run everyday and it won't put much of a dent into anything
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Yeah I'm way too fat lol, my diet has been horrible for a very long as you can see. Starting this morning I've been watching what I eat like crazy, eating 8 egg whites and a grapefruit for breakfast, ordering grilled chicken salad and no dressing for lunch, and idk what yet for dinner. Gotta start turning it around somewhere. Thanks for the honesty man
 
Oilfield_Trash said:
Yeah I'm way too fat lol, my diet has been horrible for a very long as you can see. Starting this morning I've been watching what I eat like crazy, eating 8 egg whites and a grapefruit for breakfast, ordering grilled chicken salad and no dressing for lunch, and idk what yet for dinner. Gotta start turning it around somewhere. Thanks for the honesty man
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well i honestly think you know what you did wrong and it sounds like you are on a better track.

the diet you listed is an improvement. now you just have to get in an hour of exercise EVERYDAY. also i suggest throwing away your tv OR requiring if you watch tv you must walk on a treadmill while doing it. think about it this way.. you spend 3 hours watching the game on tv or 2 hours or so watching a movie.. yet you can't dedicate 1 hour a day for exercise. doesn't make much sense to me.

for dinner.. how bout some baked fish/turkey/chicken with sweet potato and a salad.
 
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