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1st Cycle Confusion

Jonlb21

Jonlb21

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Ok every one I need 1st cycle advice. Before someone says check the previous threads, I have. Everyone keeps advising different stacks so I haven’t gotten a universal answer. I’m 26 been lifting for 3 years and I’m currently at 14% bf. Was at 12% but I had a shoulder injury that kept me out of the gym for a little while. I have been taking lots of fish oil and ostarine to help recover.

Anyway to my 1st cycle. I’ve heard people say that I should cut more before doing my 1st cycle. So would a 50-100mg of anavar, with kanatadrol, and Clen be a good cutting stack ? I’ve also heard people say not to do that first cycle, because your first cycle you gain the most of and it should be a test cycle.

Test E 200mg twice a week for 10 weeks
1-8 anavar 60-100 mg day
1-8 n2guard
1-8 HCGenerate ES


PCT 9-12

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com ( hopefully tablets)
Phytoserms n2bm.com (I don’t know if I need this one)
HCGenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com ( Prefer tablets)
n2guard n2bm.com

and what about Unleashed post cycle ?

I’ve hard you don’t need clomid or nova if you take unleased.

Is unleased better than Phytoserms 347 ?


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You need to make sure you are on a proper diet and cardio. Test alone boosts your metabolic rate so you might not even need to use Anavar and clen if you are only trying to get down from 14% bf
 
So you want to cut with steroids before you run a cycle of steroids? Now I'm confused

How about this. It's a crazy idea but bare with me... Use Diet and cardio to get your weight down a little more, then run your cycle ;)

Pick clomid or nolva, one is fine. Use it with the unleashed, n2guard, DAA and forma stanzol. Use aromasin on cycle with hcgenerate and n2guard. 6 weeks of anavar at 60-80mg is fine. That's how I'd run it anyway but your layout above is good too
 
No I don't think you should.. If you want to get a little leaner then you don't need those compounds. just clean up your diet and do some cardio. 14% is a fine bf to cycle on if you're not preparing for a show or anything
 
Ok so Test E 400mgs a week for 10 weeks
anavar week 1-8
N2 Gurad 1-8
HCG 1-8

PCT

PCT 9-12

clomid
Phytoserms
HCGenerate
aromasin
n2guard
unleased
rs tranderm
clen

So advice on dosage and any tweeks with what weeks to take them ? Also anything I have listed that is overkill or not needed ?
 
For instance I dont know if I should take Phytoserms 347. And people have said HCG or Unleased I didn't know if I was supposed to do both at the same time. Also I've heard mixed things about RS Tranderm. Just dont know if its overkill or not
 
Jonlb21 said:
Ok so Test E 400mgs a week for 10 weeks
anavar week 1-8
N2 Gurad 1-8
HCG 1-8

PCT

PCT 9-12

clomid
Phytoserms
HCGenerate
aromasin
n2guard
unleased
rs tranderm
clen

So advice on dosage and any tweeks with what weeks to take them ? Also anything I have listed that is overkill or not needed ?
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You do not need clen in your pct. what are the dosages of clomid and var? N2 guard is only necessary when running Anavar and possibly if you decide to run clen (not in pct!!) which I don't suggest. and I think you should use nolva and not just clomid alone but that is just personal preference.
 
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so you recommend clomid and nolva at the same time ? Best doses for both ? I would be running 50mg of var everyday
 
Jonlb21 said:
so you recommend clomid and nolva at the same time ? Best doses for both ? I would be running 50mg of var everyday
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The dosages vary but I think a good start is

Clomid: 100/100/50/50mg
Nolva: 40/20/10/10mg

This is a very generic pct setup. You can tweak this depending on what works for you. And make sure you know when to start it depending on what compounds you decide to run
 
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I'm stepping into this a little late, but OP, how long ago was your injury, and how long have you been back into training?

And, just to be clear on one point; nolva is an antiquated supplement and should never be used for anything.
 
I didn't think you needed Nolva if you had clomid and rs transderm. My injury was for a month and a half and I've been back in the gym for 3 months now.
 
Like I said I'm sure everyone has different experiences and I don't mean to be rude it's just hard to know what stuff to take. One post says do this another one says no way. LOL its hard to get a universal agreement on what is the ideal 1st cycle
 
Jonlb21 said:
Like I said I'm sure everyone has different experiences and I don't mean to be rude it's just hard to know what stuff to take. One post says do this another one says no way. LOL its hard to get a universal agreement on what is the ideal 1st cycle
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Blasting and cruising is the best way to run aas imho
 
bonacris said:
Well that is just not coming off steroids which definitely isnt the best when it comes to you're health.

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It's basically the same in terms of hormonal balances as cycling. During a blast you use as much gear as you would during a cycle and when you cruise you just use an hrt (or a little higher) dose of test which is like the normal amount you would have. so basically it's the same as cycling without the added pct which makes it more confusing. Gear is a lifetime commitment and that's how I think of it
 
Bigpapazand said:
It's basically the same in terms of hormonal balances as cycling. During a blast you use as much gear as you would during a cycle and when you cruise you just use an hrt (or a little higher) dose of test which is like the normal amount you would have. so basically it's the same as cycling without the added pct which makes it more confusing. Gear is a lifetime commitment and that's how I think of it
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Not HRT at 26 years old though

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Bigpapazand said:
It's basically the same in terms of hormonal balances as cycling. During a blast you use as much gear as you would during a cycle and when you cruise you just use an hrt (or a little higher) dose of test which is like the normal amount you would have. so basically it's the same as cycling without the added pct which makes it more confusing. Gear is a lifetime commitment and that's how I think of it
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Gear isn't a lifetime commitment for everyone. He's only 26 and has no idea how to run steroids. Someday he may decide this isn't the right thing for him for whatever reason; family, injury, career, etc., but some guy on a forum told him blasting and cruising was a great idea. Now he's on TRT for life. Or maybe he can't find a legit source anymore and needs to come off juice after years of being on. That's a bad place to be in at a young age. See what I'm saying? Gotta watch the advice you give newbies.

As far as pct for such a mild cycle, there's absolutely no reason to run two serms. That's a very outdated pct. SERM + AI + T boosting stack is a much more modern pct.
 
I appreciate the advice and the warnings but we are getting off my original post. Can some one recommend a 1st cycle to me with exact dosing.

Test E
Anavar
N2 Guard
Possibly winny for 3 weeks or so ?

PCT
HCG or Unleased
Clomid or RS Transderm
Phytoserms 347
Armosin

Dosage and weeks ???
 
Bigpapazand said:
The dose will probably a little above hrt like I suggested maybe 200-250mg/week
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So you're saying when he comes off his cycle that he should use the above doses. So self prescribed HRT.


Absolutely horrible idea.



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bonacris said:
Ok. sorry for jumping on your back.

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It's not a problem and I do agree that blasting and cruising is a more reckless lifestyle choice and is not recommended for the average user. i apologize for an confusion I may have caused
 
Jonlb21 said:
I appreciate the advice and the warnings but we are getting off my original post. Can some one recommend a 1st cycle to me with exact dosing.

Sorry OP, I couldn't let that one go. A good basic first cycle would be.

1-12 Test E 400 mg a week, split in 2
1-6 Tbol 60 mg
1-6 N2 Guard
HCGenerate 6-12
1-12 Aromasin .25 mg eod

PCT
15-18 Clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Test Infusion
Phytoserms 347

I put the Tbol here as a kicker because people tend to use Anavar as a finisher on cycle. I am a fan of not having more than 1 new AAS per cycle, but I can understand your desire to have a kicker. Fell free to pm me for anything else. Sorry for hijacking your thread, I'm always glad to help.
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Jonlb21 said:
I appreciate the advice and the warnings but we are getting off my original post. Can some one recommend a 1st cycle to me with exact dosing.

Test E 1-12 400mg (split in two doses)
Anavar 1-6 60mg
N2 Guard 1-12
HCGenerate 1-12
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD 1-12
Possibly winny for 3 weeks or so ? NO. This is plenty for a first cycle
HCG 500IU 2x EW 13-14

PCT - Start week 14
HCG or Unleased - No HCG in PCT, but HCGenerate is fine if you want
Clomid or RS Transderm Transaderm can be suppressive so leave this out. Clomid at 50/50/25/25 is good
Phytoserms 347
Armosin This is fine, or forma stanzol if you want to switch a.i.'s

Dosage and weeks ???
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In Bold above. That's spoon feeding you. You should try doing some more research though dude
 
I heard read that Forma Stanzol is slightly better than aromasin. What do you think ? and if I did go with Forma just start week one ?
 
Jonlb21 said:
I heard read that Forma Stanzol is slightly better than aromasin. What do you think ? and if I did go with Forma just start week one ?
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I would use the aromasin on cycle and forma in pct. Forma has many benefits but aromasin is the best a.i to use for estrogen control on cycle. This is how most of us utilize the two
 
This^^^and, the 2 cycles outlined here are similar. Like jb said, do some research and decide which one is best for you.
 
either is good for pct... i have write ups on the many benefits of aromasin in pct... forma is great for pct as well... i would definitely stick with aromasin on cycle...
 
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