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What do u guys think? Can this be run longer than 6 weeks? This is in terms of it as a supplement.
10 mg of dbol every morning as a supplement...
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karachi183
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check out past posts on this. There's alot of info related to this here!
ProtienFiend
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Theres also a lot of misinformation. It was touted as a non-suppressive "dbol bridge"... its really just a low dose cycle that will supress your HTPA meanwhile not giving good anabolic results.
chestmaster1
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get456 said:
Have YOU tried it?
gettnlarge01
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I personaly believe either you need to be on or off. If your going to take gear take enough to matter or come completely off. But we are all different just my thoughts
VascularitY
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ProtienFiend said:
Not necessarily true, if taken first thing in the morning, effect on test levels are very minimal.
chazk
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Originally Posted by blut wump
10mg was the recommended dose when Dr. Ziegler invented the stuff. For the really big guys he suggested 15mg. Gains were made and consolidated.
That dude would shit if you told him some guys run 150mg ED, lol.
he himslef infact did shit when he died of some severe blot clotting his last words on his death bed was " i wish i never had invented dianabol" read it in his online bio somewhere he himself was rumored to be on 100mg a day during the late 70's for years
10mg was the recommended dose when Dr. Ziegler invented the stuff. For the really big guys he suggested 15mg. Gains were made and consolidated.
That dude would shit if you told him some guys run 150mg ED, lol.
he himslef infact did shit when he died of some severe blot clotting his last words on his death bed was " i wish i never had invented dianabol" read it in his online bio somewhere he himself was rumored to be on 100mg a day during the late 70's for years
ProtienFiend
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Ulter said:
How so? How do anabolic steroids not affect your HPTA at all?
That question is painted with too broad of a brush.ProtienFiend said:
Naturally you have a surge of test when you get up (see: morning wood). Upon Rising Dbol is gone by the afternoon and the estrogen conversion is finished. The negative feedback loop that runs your HPTA reads low estrogen and begins to signal the testes to make more by late afternoon/night.
karachi183
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Ulter said:
Well put!
Well, its not a supplement, its an anabolic steroid and thats right around its medically prescribed dose. So technically you would be "using" anabolic steroids, as opposed to "abusing" them like everyone else here does ( including me hehe ), lol.
Dont go telling everyone you are natrual, and this is just a "supplement" though, thats fucking bullshit.
Dont go telling everyone you are natrual, and this is just a "supplement" though, thats fucking bullshit.
ProtienFiend
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Ulter said:
Thats cool. But Atleast minimal suppression going on, right? (In the mornings-afternoons) There is an 8-hour halflife or so correct? But it should still be in your system for about 24 hours until complete clearance.
And besides that fact, your hormone levels would be pretty unstable causing god knows what kind of side effect (Actually i know, hairloss, acne, mood, etc..)
IMHO, its just a bad idea, sure i probably dont know what im talking about but I think there are better ways to use dbol or any steroid for that matter and I want someone thinking about this to hear both sides of the store.
PF
nodiggitydave
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what about 5mg daily? as a supplement
side effects?
side effects?
solidspine
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I over use gear and still would not go past 6 weeks with the d-bol, ask your liver about this he may have an Opinion
nodiggitydave
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i'm not the original poster..
I was just curious to see what would happen if you did actually take 5mg a day.
I was just curious to see what would happen if you did actually take 5mg a day.
Actually dbol HL is probably 3 hours.
5-10mg of dbol upon waking can be used with very minimal HPTA suppression.
Tak a mild AI like forma stanzol and you won have estro problems messing with negative feedback loop..
5-10mg over time will not stress your liver or lipids.. Dose is too low.
I am thinking about this.. hmm
5-10mg of dbol upon waking can be used with very minimal HPTA suppression.
Tak a mild AI like forma stanzol and you won have estro problems messing with negative feedback loop..
5-10mg over time will not stress your liver or lipids.. Dose is too low.
I am thinking about this.. hmm
Nelson has chimed in on this many times. and the answer is absolutely dbol is suppressive. it boggles the mind how anyone can say it isn't with a straight face on here. probably guys who have little experience with AAS, i dunno. any AAS will suppress your HPTA. the larger the doses and the longer the cycles the longer it takes to recover.
Butttt. without blood work, you cant prove that.
"I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
Hope that clears the air.
fonz"
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
Hope that clears the air.
fonz"
Tux
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I did that and my HPTA was not suppressed in the slightest. Came off a heavy cycle, continued with 10mg/day dbol first thing in the AM, along with an AI, and a month later my test levels were back in the 900's, close to where they normally are. Obviously I can't speak for everyone, only myself, but for me, it definitely works. Oh, and BP was normal, cholesterol was 137 total, no mood swings, acne, no noticeable sides of any kind. Only real advice I can give is to try it yourself as it seems to be an individual thing. As far as I'm concerned though, it works!
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lartinos
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no way
satyricon1
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Very good post Gamer! I also have to say that I think ULTER knows what he is talking about. Always respected his words. I am going to use dbol at 10mg when i come off my current cycle. I will use a standard pct including HCGenerate, i will also use 10mg dbol in the AM. Also concidering using Clenbuterol to cut some fat, while keeping all my gains. Hopefully. =)
ps: Where is ULTER? Havent seen him on these boards for a very long time!
ps: Where is ULTER? Havent seen him on these boards for a very long time!
satyricon1
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Question; What about people working the graveyard shifts, should the dbol be taken in the AM by the clock, or in the AM based on the biological clock?
bro i damn well wish this was true. it would be fantastic. one of you needs to be the guinea pig and test this out. but i want to see bloods 1 month after the dbol bridge. its an interesting theory, but until i see rock hard proof i am skeptical. the guy who posted 900 test level still had test esthers in his body. no way can his natural test levels skyrocket that high after a bridge unless he is a genetic freak.
You can keep gains and recover with dbol bridge at same time.
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ALIN
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I know for fact it will suppress HPTA. Bad idea if your trying to recover from a previous cycle,
show me bloods
Tux
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Don't have the exact dates, this was years ago, 4-5 years or so. But my natural test levels are over 1000... just genetic, it runs in my family. I'm short, hit puberty early, lots of body hair... my father is 57 and his last test level came out at 952. And believe me I know my test esters were gone b/c i wasn't USING any at the end of that cycle, only tren and winny. So for me, at least, the am dbol works.
bren565
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agreed, this sounds alittle far fetc'd like it would be a paradigm change ... but not one that is grounded in any science maybe
anecdotal 'bro science'
i think this is the reason for many 'natty' products to be so popular now a days.
makaveli25
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I don't see why people get so bent out of shape about this subject. 10 mg seems like such a small dose! If you're running a proper pct and taking the dose early in the morning I can't see it doing to much harm. If I was going to do it I would do a pct for 4 weeks and then use the dbol as a bridge. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars on all kinds of supplements a small dose of dbol seems pretty cheap and effective.
Half life of test e and c 14 days > half life of dbol 3-4 hours... 250 mgs long ester test > 70 mgs dbol... How are you even gonna compare the 2 the body is obviously gonna react way dif because that is a huge contrast
lol, this debate has been going on for years now. That was Fonz, not Ulter, who was the big dbol bridge advocate, and wrote many posts on the subject, by the way.
I think results will vary in many cases. Age of subject, dosages used during cycle, and length of cycle will always be the big factors in HPTA recovery. The body is always fighting to maintain homeostasis. IMO 10 mg dbol will NOT "shut you down". I also think the body can very well be "tricked" but only for a short period of time.
Lastly, if you are curious, try it. Take into account all the other factors (age, cycle length, dosages, your normal recovery, etc.) and go for it. Experiment and get your bloodwork done. You can get a total testosterone test done for less than $40 and keep it off your medical records through privatemdlabs.com.
I think results will vary in many cases. Age of subject, dosages used during cycle, and length of cycle will always be the big factors in HPTA recovery. The body is always fighting to maintain homeostasis. IMO 10 mg dbol will NOT "shut you down". I also think the body can very well be "tricked" but only for a short period of time.
Lastly, if you are curious, try it. Take into account all the other factors (age, cycle length, dosages, your normal recovery, etc.) and go for it. Experiment and get your bloodwork done. You can get a total testosterone test done for less than $40 and keep it off your medical records through privatemdlabs.com.
satyricon1
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My current cycle ends with 2 weeks of Winstrol only. It is basicly the thought that the longer ester test will work its way out of the body while the two weeks of winstrol makes it still anabolic and effective.
After the Winstrol, I am thinking about running 10mg dbol the second i get out of bed. I am thinking about running it for 2 weeks while I run a full PCT regime, lasting for a total of 5 weeks. So 2 first weeks with dbol, 3 weeks of only pct. However, if I start losing mass, I will continue using dbol throughout the PCT and get my bloodwork done underway.
My thought is that I can not really lose a ton by trying. I know what will happen if I dont try, I will lose 50% or more of my gains. If this dbol bridge can reduce my loss, it is all worth it.
I believe that I have previously heard that both Arnold and Lou were using dbol in small doses as a supplement when they were "off". Not sure if this holds water, but if you watch the "pumping Iron" video, you can see Lou take his moutain of supps in the morning, and it could just as well be he also took a dbol.. who knows...
After the Winstrol, I am thinking about running 10mg dbol the second i get out of bed. I am thinking about running it for 2 weeks while I run a full PCT regime, lasting for a total of 5 weeks. So 2 first weeks with dbol, 3 weeks of only pct. However, if I start losing mass, I will continue using dbol throughout the PCT and get my bloodwork done underway.
My thought is that I can not really lose a ton by trying. I know what will happen if I dont try, I will lose 50% or more of my gains. If this dbol bridge can reduce my loss, it is all worth it.
I believe that I have previously heard that both Arnold and Lou were using dbol in small doses as a supplement when they were "off". Not sure if this holds water, but if you watch the "pumping Iron" video, you can see Lou take his moutain of supps in the morning, and it could just as well be he also took a dbol.. who knows...
if 10mg won't shut you down, then what is the point of taking it as a bridge? i think it would do nothing for you if the HPTA stays full throttle. also why not take beastdrol 10mg? or another oral? what makes dbol so special in this case?
me thinks it could be water retention confusing people into thinking they are keeping their gains.
I am playing devils advocate here but i am leaning towards this being a bad idea unless you are planning on going on TRT anyway. for people who cycle it sounds like an unnecessary gamble. you can keep most of your gains with a good PCT and hard work after cycle. i know cause I 've done it every cycle.
There's a difference between "shut you down" and "inhibit to some degree". Will it completely stop the HPTA recovery? No. Will it completely allow it to recover 100% (full throttle - as you put it)? Probably not. Careful not to put words in my mouth.
So don't do it bro. You've got your mind made up. I'm certainly not trying to convince you to do it. For someone that wants to try it, try and see.
There's a difference between "shut you down" and "inhibit to some degree". Will it completely stop the HPTA recovery? No. Will it completely allow it to recover 100% (full throttle - as you put it)? Probably not. Careful not to put words in my mouth.
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my post wasn't being smartass or anything. i was merely asking questions to anyone on this thread, not singling you out specifically at all... I guess you thought I was being condescending which I am not.
I think they are good questions and your answer makes sense..
my other question about why taking it in the AM makes a difference rather then taking in the PM for example is another good question. I am just wondering why it would matter? I have some guesses as to why but nothing concrete
I didn't take it that way bro. But it seems people think the HPTA is either "shut down" or running "full throttle". I don't think those are the only options.
If I say I'm not going to shut down my car, it doesn't mean I'm going to be driving 140 mph down the highway either.
You quoted me and appeared to be replying directly to me:
stevesmi said:
So I replied directly back to you...however the same goes to anyone. Try it if you want to. Don't try it if you don't want to.
Tux
Well-known member
It's been covered many times, but here's the basics. Dbol is very short-acting. Your body naturally produces a test spike early in the morning... hence why we get "morning wood". You take the 10mg dbol early am to "piggyback" it on your natural spike. Your body already expects a spike to happen so it doesn't fully realize that anything unnatural is being ingested. And by the time a few hours have passed, the bulk of that 10mg has been metabolized, so very little suppression will occur. However, you will still get the anti-catabolic effects and the cortisol suppression of dbol which are both very good things post-cycle. Will 10mg dbol in the am allow most people complete HPTA recover? NO. But will it allow MOST people to recover MOST of their natural function while cheaply and easily maintaining a high percentage of gains? IMO, YES. Which is why I do it THen again, I have high test levels naturally and I recover quickly no matter what I take or how long I've been on, but it still helps!
THen again, I have high test levels naturally and I recover quickly no matter what I take or how long I've been on, but it still helps!
It's been covered many times, but here's the basics. Dbol is very short-acting. Your body naturally produces a test spike early in the morning... hence why we get "morning wood". You take the 10mg dbol early am to "piggyback" it on your natural spike. Your body already expects a spike to happen so it doesn't fully realize that anything unnatural is being ingested. And by the time a few hours have passed, the bulk of that 10mg has been metabolized, so very little suppression will occur. However, you will still get the anti-catabolic effects and the cortisol suppression of dbol which are both very good things post-cycle. Will 10mg dbol in the am allow most people complete HPTA recover? NO. But will it allow MOST people to recover MOST of their natural function while cheaply and easily maintaining a high percentage of gains? IMO, YES. Which is why I do it
i figured that was the reason. test levels are highest from 4-8am.
Omg 10 mgs of dbol causing bloat? I think not! And I know when I'm on 250 test my nuts shrivel and I shoot blanks but on 10 mg dbol I have eggs and cum loads so the supression of dbol is barely noticable ... You have already made up your mind although you haven't tried the method so in this case to each their own but by most of your post I don't even know why you're cycling again since it took you 3 pcts to recover from last cycle shouldn't you be worrying more about your recovery not ours?
satyricon1
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Bump, want to see more input on this issue!
