Don't have the exact dates, this was years ago, 4-5 years or so. But my natural test levels are over 1000... just genetic, it runs in my family. I'm short, hit puberty early, lots of body hair... my father is 57 and his last test level came out at 952. And believe me I know my test esters were gone b/c i wasn't USING any at the end of that cycle, only tren and winny. So for me, at least, the am dbol works.