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1-AD and 4-AD dosages

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Iam 20years old, 5'10 and 65kg( Iam trying to bulk). Iam wanting to stack 1 ad and 4 ad for 6weeks, what dosages do you think I should use for the 6 weeks so that I can order the right amount.

Also, can you give me the dosages in relation to tablets or let me know how many mg's are in each tablet so that I can get the order right.
It would be much appreciated if you can help me out guys.
Thanks
 
4-Diol is best used via transdermal administration (due to low oral availability) but 1AD is a case quite apart. As with concern to the latter (1AD) 300 mgs per day will suit well-enough as a starting point (especially when stacked with 4-Diol). 100 mgs three times per day, meals replete with fat best holding company with your 1AD timing of intake.

As with respects to 4-Diol, if you are to task the oral method of intake then 400 mgs three times per day would suit as a start (also as taken with fatty meals, just as with the 1AD).

Transdermally, 200-300 mgs two times per day would serve one well. 1AD/4-Diol is most definitely a great all-around stack for gains of lean and general bulk.
 
1-ad and 4-ad is what is what I have desided on after doing alot of reasearch, can someone please have a 1 to 6 week table with the dosages each week of each one.
Thanks
 
can all you guys who know please recamend a 6 week cycle with the dosages?
Also iam getn 1ad egropharm and 4ad avant. What dosages are the best for the two and what strength tablets should I get.
Please guys I need help?
 
Im pretty sure 1AD is 300mg's a day to start and then jump it to 600mg's a day for the remaining 5. Then Tribulus or clomid therapy post cycle. Not sure about the 4-ad though.

Scaggs
 
Scaggs said:
Im pretty sure 1AD is 300mg's a day to start and then jump it to 600mg's a day for the remaining 5.
Scaggs

Why start at a lower dose? Usually you frontload with a higher dose to begin so that you hit peak levels faster.
 
Avant's 4-ADerm comes at 33.3 mgs of 4-Diol per squirt; also, as said, 100 mgs per capsule is Ergopharm's presented dosage.

Six-week cycle:

Week 1: Per day--300 mgs of 1AD/5 squirts of 4-ADerm, two times (this is the moderate dosing and, as may you wish, can be increased to 10 squirts two times per day [each bottle contains 360 squirts, so at the moderate dosing one-month is the time in which your bottle will last]).

Week 2: Same.

Week 3: As to your liking, 1AD's dosage can be increased to 400-600 mgs per day.

Week 4: Same

Week 5: Same

Week 6: Same (it is futile to taper downward--so whatever dosage as may you assess to have at keep, come week-three, will run you through to conclusion).

Post-cycle considerations:

Training volume should be kept at lower and caloric intake, as to the opposite, should be kept high (above-maintenance). Both considerations of my mention should be carried out for two-weeks time, as to the least (three weeks or so may serve one more so the better).

Can use Ergo's 6OXO anti-aromatase (just as like the use of Clomid/Nolvadex). Several weeks (3-4) the duration of this.

Dose an Ephedrine/Caffeine stack great in frequency and lesser in dose (5-10 mgs of E/50-100 mgs of C every two to three hours). This use will start and cease with the period of training volume--to the lower and caloric intake---as to the higher.
 
RdStrcklnd said:


Why start at a lower dose? Usually you frontload with a higher dose to begin so that you hit peak levels faster.

Front-loading is not necessary and if such is to one's liking, is best used for cycles short in standing (to reach concentrations faster in consideration of such the short duration [i.e. 2 weeks or so---for a cycle of six-weeks this by far is not necessary and if a moderate amount gets the job done---then stick with that.]).

Much as we like to have your patronage, we also wish for those that use to get the most bang for what they may spend (and if you go all-out now, with your dosing, you leave less to later in progress). Dosing is very much person-dependant, and in that context one has to consider as also their size.
 
RdStrcklnd said:


Why start at a lower dose? Usually you frontload with a higher dose to begin so that you hit peak levels faster.



Frontloading is used only with drugs with very long half lives. These drugs take a long time for steady state levels in the blood to be reached.

To overcome this you take very large dosages of these drugs at first to reach the steady state, then you continue on with less frequent dosing to maintain these levels

Examples of drugs which are appropriate to do front loading with are deca, arimidex, and prozac

Prohormones are very short half life drugs. You front load with these and you will be wasting money and also greatly increasing the risk for side effects
 
I have ordered 4 bottles of 1Ad and 2 bottles of 4AD ( tablets), can someone do a 6 week stack for the tablets.
 
Week 1: Per day--300 mgs of 1AD/1200 mgs of 4AD (100 mgs of 1AD/400 mgs of 4-Diol three times per day, had with foods, fat replete).

Week 2: Same.

Week 3: As to your liking, 1AD's dosage can be increased to 400-600 mgs per day.

Week 4: Same

Week 5: Same

Week 6: Same (it is futile to taper downward--so whatever dosage as may you assess to have at keep, come week-three, will run you through to conclusion).

Other than the purchase of 4-Diol in bulk (powder) Ergopharm's "Select" series (I think that to be the name) contains a high potency oral version (300 mgs as may my recollection come to serve me [and if that's what you had in exchange for you dough, then use 300 mgs 4 times per day instead]).
 
I'll agree, you don't need anything fancy here, just take 200mgs 3x a day, lift, and you should grow. You may crash post cycle, if you have something to kick start your t-production do it, take at least a month off the prohormones, make sure you are waking up with morning wood again, and go again with another cycle if you choose.
 
come on, heaps of you have stacked these two products, someone must know whats what.
Iam confused I have done heaps of searches and some people saw to have 300-400mgs and will gain, but otheers saw must have 900=mgs a day to gain. Iam 65kgs what would you recamend I take
 
The links as did you post are general, and don't specify that which you had puchased. However I'll assume that you bought the 300 mg 4-Diol capsules of Ergopharm.

1 cap of 1AD, and 2 of 4AD may work well-enough (4-Diol, its lower oral availability requires dosages of higher, but such the same does not hold true for 1AD).

From there, you may graduate the dosage of 1AD upward (400-600 mgs, one capsule being added to each meal, whatever is required to reach a target amount).
 
Sorry bout that.

My 4-AD is Androdoil select 300 60 caps by Ergopharm
Ultra Fine Crystalline Powder For Enhanced Bioavailability!

Why Is Androdio® Select 300 The Best “Andro Oral" On The Market Today?
Androdiol® (4-androstenediol) offers the highest testosterone conversion of all the “andros”, without the downside associated with androstenedione.
We use specially processed Androdiol, resulting in an ultra-fine powder for maximum oral absorption and bioavailability. Compare against all other plain milled andro products on the market.
Why do you use 300 mg oral capsules?
Studies show that 300mg servings provide substantially increased benefits over 100mg servings.
Oral delivery provides maximum testosterone response in about 90 minutes, with benefits lasting many hours.
For men, 300mg (2 capsules) taken three times a day will maximize your benefits.
Who takes Norandrodiol® Select 300?
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Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90
Amount Per Serving % DV
4-Androstenediol (Androdiol) 300 mg **
**Daily Value not established.

Other Ingredients:
Corn Starch.

Suggested Use:
As a dietary supplement, swallow 1 capsule, 1 to 3 times per day with meals.

My 1-AD is 1-AD 100mg 60 caps by Ergopharm
You are about to be introduced to the future of prohormones. It is called 1-AD, and it is without a doubt the single most amazing prohormone to be synthesized and sold as a nutritional supplement.

Let's start by setting something straight. We are not amateurs to the prohormone industry. On the contrary, we actually started the whole prohormone industry. But not only that, we are also responsible for practically every significant innovation in prohormone technology to late. The leader of ErgoPharm, organic chemist Patrick Arnold, was the person who discovered androstenedione and introduced it to the market in 1996. Patrick also discovered and patented Androdiol® (4-androstenediol) and Norandrodiol® (19-nor-4-androstenediol), and introduced cyclodextrin technology to the prohormone industry.



For the past 18 months Patrick has been feverishly working — almost exclusively — on one project. While scores of less knowledgeable people in the industry periodically made occasional lame, foul ball attempts at finding the “latest, greatest” prohormone, Patrick kept quiet and worked on the development of what essentially could be called the “holy grail” of prohormones.

Patrick wanted this prohormone to have all the attributes most critical to the perfect prohormone. It had to be:

Orally Active
Completely Non-Aromatizable to Estrogens
Extremely potent
Naturally occurring
Non-toxic
After months of scouring every book and journal he could locate, including those in foreign languages (i.e. German), Patrick discovered a compound that seemed to be the perfect candidate. That was the easy part. It then took Patrick almost one whole year to figure out how to manufacture the compound cheaply enough for sale as a supplement. Patrick’s lab took on the appearance of ground zero at Hiroshima as he endlessly did reaction after reaction in pursuit of the perfect manufacturing recipe.

ErgoPharm’s Pledge
Before we introduce exactly what 1-AD is, we want to mention one quick thing. In this industry it is often hard to find straight answers to exactly what something is, and how something works. Most often, the case is that the company is evasive with the facts because there really is no existing science that validates the claims they are making. Either that or they simply do not understand the science themselves. Occasionally a company does have science to back up their products, but they decide that the consumer is too simple minded to appreciate the facts.

ErgoPharm is different. We produce products that are backed up by hard scientific fact, and we take great pride in laying everything on the table.

We understand that not everyone buying our products has a chemistry or biology degree, but we do know that people appreciate being treated with respect and honesty. They want to know they are being told the straight story, even if they don’t have the background to understand every facet of the presentation.

Introducing 1-AD
It’s time to introduce what Patrick refers to as “the crown achievement” of his career. The formal chemical name of the compound Patrick developed is 1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol. We nicknamed this compound “1-AD” which is a shortened acronym of its chemical name. Its chemical structure is:





This compound is truly unique amongst other prohormones in a variety of ways. Let’s look specifically at 1-AD and what it does.

The Power of 1-Testosterone
You probably are familiar with the “Andro” prohormones, and the “Norandro” prohormones. The former convert to testosterone and the latter to 19-nortestosterone. 1-AD, however, does not fit into either of those categories. That is because 1-AD converts to a relatively unheard of hormone called 1-testosterone. 1-testosterone is what is known as a “double bond isomer” of testosterone.





Although chemically the only difference between testosterone and 1-testosterone is the position of the double bond, pharmacologically the two products are quite different. According to research done by the pharmaceutical giant G.D. Searle and published in the 1960s, 1-testosterone is over 7 times as myotrophic (anabolic) as testosterone(1). That makes 1-testosterone a phenomenally potent compound, surpassing even most synthetic anabolic steroids.

No Aromatization
1-testosterone differs from testosterone in another way as well. Being a 5alpha-reduced androgen (a DHT derivative) it simply cannot aromatize to estrogens. The same goes for 1-AD itself — no estrogen transformation can occur. This makes 1-AD unique compared to other prohormones — all of which can either aromatize directly, convert to a product that aromatizes, or both. So what does this mean in the real world? It means that your chances of getting gynecomastia (bitch tits) from 1-AD is essentially zero, and that water retention side effects are vastly reduced compared to other prohormones.

The Only Truly “Orally Active” Prohormone
Natural androgenic steroids are normally not very active orally. Large amounts have to be taken orally to see biological effects. This is because the first pass through the liver causes a massive deactivation of the compounds, primarily through the oxidation of the 17beta-hydroxyl to a 17-keto group. Chemists long ago found that by adding an alkyl (methyl or ethyl) chemical group to the alpha position of the 17 carbon, this oxidation can be prevented. However, this alkyl derivatization also greatly increases the liver toxicity. Therefore the usage of such synthetically altered compounds (methyltestosterone, oxymetholone, stanozolol) are not without substantial risk.

Luckily, there are other ways to render a steroid orally active, and do so without making the compound toxic to the liver. Certain structural modifications can alter the metabolism of steroids making them resistant to liver breakdown. One of these modifications is unsaturation (presence of a double bond) in the 1-position. One steroid that has this structural modification and is orally active is the anabolic steroid Methenolone, also known as Primobolan.





As you may have noticed, this double bond position that makes Primobolan orally active is the same one found in 1-AD, which, by the way, is also orally active. Steroids with this particular double bond characteristic are known as 1-dehydroandrostanes.

During the 60’s and 70’s some papers were published describing the phenomenon of oral activity seen with 1-dehydroandrostanes, including 1-testosterone and 1-AD. What was discovered was that these compounds resist metabolic deactivation by profoundly shifting what is known as the “17-keto redox potential” towards the formation of active 17beta-hydroxyl steroids(2,3). What does this mean? It means that when you take 1-AD, the liver serves primarily to activate the compound, rather than break it down and excrete it as it does with other prohormones and testosterone. It means that 1-AD is “orally active,” yet it does not impart the liver toxicity that 17alpha-alkylation does.

A Natural Hormone Made in the Body
One of the beautiful things about 1-AD is that in addition to its impressive pharmacological activity, it is also a natural androgen made in the human body(4) . This means that it is not foreign to your body, and that it can legally and openly be sold as a nutritional supplement. Furthermore, 1-AD’s high rate of active conversion after oral administration is not just a “theory” of ErgoPharm’s – it has been demonstrated and published in a highly reputable peer reviewed journal.

Summary
Let’s put it all together and see what 1-AD has to offer:

High oral activity
Conversion to a hormone 700% more potent than testosterone
Absolutely NO aromatization to estrogens
Natural and safe
There can be no argument that this is the ultimate prohormone. Believe us, there simply are no natural compounds out there that can come close to what 1-AD does, so don’t even bother looking.


Directions:
For oral use only. As a dietary supplement, take 1 to 3 capsules 3 times daily with food. Do not break open capsules. Do not exceed recommended dosage.

Inactive ingredients:
Micro Crystalline Cellulose.
Additional Info:



S u p p l e m e n t F a c t s






Serving Size: 1 Capsule


Servings Per Container: 60


Amount
Per Serving %
Daily
Value


1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol
100mg








* Percent Daily Values are based on 2,000 calorie diet.
† Daily Value not established.
 
Just follow my previous dosing instructions, as they were made with the assumption of that product (Androdiol Select).
 
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