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If so, how did it play out?
Anyone here ever gone through the ROTC to pay for college?
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Dont join the military to pay for college. Join the military because you want to be a soldier that wants an education. All the dudes who joined just for college are shocked when they have to get deployed into a shithole we are fighting in. Then they bitch and moan about "I didnt sign up for this, Im a student blah blah". They did sign up for it, its the military duh.
Dont forget we are already fighting two wars and a third could break out at any time (iran, north korea).
PICK3
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What branch are you considering?
For friends I have who have done this, it worked out great. (This is assuming, of course, you are fully cognizant of the fact you have JOINED THE MILITARY TO TAKE ORDERS, FIGHT, AND DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY. That's a big one.) Probably not the best way to get into Yale Law, or Wharton b-school, or achieve some halls-of-ivy dream of academia, but it's great if you're just looking to get a mediocre degree at a mediocre school in order to live a normal, middle class life while minimizing debt.
canadianhitman
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There's some great advice in this thread. Don't do it unless there is no other way for you to get a college education...think of it as an absolute last resort to be explored only after you've exhausted every other possibility.
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lartinos
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SD hit it on the head
No way. It's absolutely credited for people that want -- or wouldn't mind -- serving their country or spending a few years in the military for whatever reason (see the world, not sit in a cubicle for 12 hours a day, etc). Not everyone's anti-military. It's a great choice and opportunity for many people.
And these people will re-enter civilian life with an education, *real* job skills, leadership experience, proof of ability to follow orders (big plus for the corporate world), in shape, and laughing at idiots taking on fixed 8.5% interest gradPLUS loans for a MA in english lit.
but an officer usually does serious time ina cubicle... ^^^
the new gi bill is a better deal financially speaking...we actually worked on promoting it heavily for our respective colleges (to vets that didn't know about it but were eligible)
and being enlisted you're only on the hook for 8 years....commisioned is a whole nother bag of cats when it comes to being called back to serve
the new gi bill is a better deal financially speaking...we actually worked on promoting it heavily for our respective colleges (to vets that didn't know about it but were eligible)
and being enlisted you're only on the hook for 8 years....commisioned is a whole nother bag of cats when it comes to being called back to serve
canadianhitman
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The way the question was posted, it looked to me like someone who is looking for a way to pay for college only was asking, not someone who WANTS to be in the military. I answered accordingly.
Credited. OP was pretty generalized, so I generalized my response. Thinking military is free cash is something many of my old friend dumbs considered until someone with >80 IQ corrected them and informed them what would *actually* be involved. They were shocked, SHOCKED by what they were told. Regardless, it can be a good choice for many are country types who don't have a full scholly to their flagship and don't view military service negatively.
javaguru
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If you want to know the end game...watch the documentary "Restrepo" I'm old as dirt but some things never change...the end game...
Officers wear their rank on the shoulder because it signifies the burden of leadership.
Enlisted wear it on the arm because they are the muscle that fights the war.
Officers wear their rank on the shoulder because it signifies the burden of leadership.
Enlisted wear it on the arm because they are the muscle that fights the war.
I know nothing of the military first hand, but it is often the case that perception and the ability to spin past experience/education positively are what separate consulting and management doods from fast food and factory proles.
Leadership gets you jobs and advancement; muscle and fighting gets you into a street gang. HTH
javaguru
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I know nothing of the military first hand, but it is often the case that perception and the ability to spin past experience/education positively are what separate consulting and management doods from fast food and factory proles.
Leadership gets you jobs and advancement; muscle and fighting gets you into a street gang. HTH
I've walked into too many interviews where my military experience was discounted because of a general disdain for the military. Look at the caricatures of veterans portrayed in film and tv...the best leadership experience anyone can get is in the military. I carried the burden of possibly getting one of my friends killed with a bad decision. To me, that's more important than a killer internship where I had to decide which TPS cover report should be utilized corporate wide. I'm raging and this isn't directed at you samoth...you're a solid rob.
Oh yeah, no argument there. I was trying to compare potential differing views between officers and grunts from a non-military corporate view. I was also thinking more ITE than what people your age have gone through, where experience is at a premium and degrees and education are oversaturated and not desired.
For friends I have who have done this, it worked out great. (This is assuming, of course, you are fully cognizant of the fact you have JOINED THE MILITARY TO TAKE ORDERS, FIGHT, AND DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY. That's a big one.) Probably not the best way to get into Yale Law, or Wharton b-school, or achieve some halls-of-ivy dream of academia, but it's great if you're just looking to get a mediocre degree at a mediocre school in order to live a normal, middle class life while minimizing debt.
bro this sounds pretty arrogant and snooty, like military guys aren't as smart as people like you and have medium intelligence.
the ROTC does not send you to the military then school, you go to school first, get a BA/bs then go to the military...so feasibly Ivy League schools could have ROTC programs, as could any school you deem worthy enough of the "smart" people.
and i'd say west point is just as prestigous as your smart guy schools, same with some of the other major military colleges
Who the fuck are "people like me", faggot? Can you have a fucking discussion without ad homs, or do you want to sound like children and call each other cuntfaces for good measure, just like you we're talking shit about about the mods and female poasters last night! (See how this makes me sound dumb? Please don't respond to poasts in this manner. TYIA)
*Anywho*, the second part of the sentence was correct, if not overly PC. Yes, they're below-average to average in intelligence. Is there something you have trouble understanding there? (Serious question.)
Who the fuck are "people like me", faggot? Can you have a fucking discussion without ad homs, or do you want to sound like children and call each other cuntfaces for good measure, just like you we're talking shit about about the mods and female poasters last night! (See how this makes me sound dumb? Please don't respond to poasts in this manner. TYIA)
*Anywho*, the second part of the sentence was correct, if not overly PC. Yes, they're below-average to average in intelligence. Is there something you have trouble understanding there? (Serious question.)
the first paragraph i'm completely confused...i was talking shit to mods? huh, i don't recall.
officers are below avg to avg intelligence? even those who enter ROTC programs at Harvard, or what about west point grads (same rank as rotc 2nd lts)...below avg intelligence?
Re first para: example of you turning an objective statement into hearsay and ad homs. Apparently you didn't get the joke. (Sorry, I'm only average intelligence, regardless of the schtick EF created for me.)
You need to keep your arguments straight. You specifically said "military guys"; now you're arguing officers from H? Dude, you can't change the hypo to fit your argument, man, lol. Would you like a list of fallacies?
bro i think this is a misunderstanding...ROTC become officers.Re first para: example of you turning an objective statement into hearsay and ad homs. Apparently you didn't get the joke. (Sorry, I'm only average intelligence, regardless of the schtick EF created for me.)
You need to keep your arguments straight. You specifically said "military guys"; now you're arguing officers from H? Dude, you can't change the hypo to fit your argument, man, lol. Would you like a list of fallacies?
that is what this thread is about i thought, the title is anyway.
so therefore their are ROTC programs in a lot of colleges, i assume at ivy league schools too.
i don't think ROTC canidates are below to avg intelligence, probably moreso the higher end, esp in higher tiered schools.
now just regular enlisted bros? yeah i'd agree with your orginal statement...but calling ROTC bros dim or avg didn't jive with what i have personally witnessed (took a lotta rotc one credit classes in college, all taught by rotc bros, pretty sharp if you ask me)
now stop calling me a dumb faggot already
Yeah, I was thinking of people that did the military route to pay for school but didn't do ROTC (along with ROTC doods), so you're right.
Hmm... only college [grad] officers... they'd probably be average, given the sample size of all unis. Non-four year non-officer would be below average to average. See, this is where I diverge from general interwebs IQ thinking where the curve is renormalized to 130. The average college kid is average IQ; just because we offer moar colleges and easier entrence reqs doesn't mean that everyone's objectively smarter (it likely means they're dumber). Teh curve is invariant to such changes, faggot, and 100 is still average, whether that 100 means factory work or white collar work.
TLDR: I maintain the argument that they're average, and your error is to consider that as a negative. Ergo we're arguing semantics.
Yeah, I was thinking of people that did the military route to pay for school but didn't do ROTC (along with ROTC doods), so you're right.
Hmm... only college [grad] officers... they'd probably be average, given the sample size of all unis. Non-four year non-officer would be below average to average. See, this is where I diverge from general interwebs IQ thinking where the curve is renormalized to 130. The average college kid is average IQ; just because we offer moar colleges and easier entrence reqs doesn't mean that everyone's objectively smarter (it likely means they're dumber). Teh curve is invariant to such changes, faggot, and 100 is still average, whether that 100 means factory work or white collar work.
TLDR: I maintain the argument that they're average, and your error is to consider that as a negative. Ergo we're arguing semantics.
lol dick
i'd like to see java comment on this, i wonder if a ROTC bro can coast thru uni with a 2.0 or if their is stringent grade point avgs
lol
I honestly don't know. I imagine they have to meet a median level, just as dumbass athletes do. Er, just as dumbass athletes have to. Just as FUCK. Fuck prepositions.
I'd also like to know the criteria needed for ROTC to enter into an agreement with a uni. Like, I know they're in publics and privates, but can any TTT have ROTC? Only 4 year unis? There are so many schools now, and a lot of them don't even have entrance requirements.
javaguru
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I'll add some things based on my experience at Ohio State Bino...
Most of my ROTC compatriots were above average students and a disproportionate number were in engineering programs,everyone on an ROTC scholarship I knew was in engineering. I was at a disadvantage competing for three and two year scholarships, even with a high ACT score (28 composite on the old ass exam) and being in the honors history program, because I wasn't in an engineering program. There were a lot of smart people in ROTC that struggled with the PT test and it's a pretty easy standard to meet...the program really did focus on grades and academic ability. I was on the Ranger Challenge team and most of us were prior service, we had several that served in the regiments, so I was probably closer to the neanderthal side of the view of ROTC. It was a common joke to talk about the program looking for general staff weenies over muddy boot soldiers that are real leaders...
The ivy league doesn't have ROTC because the culture is generally anti-military...they were kicked off campus during Vietnam and kept off over don't ask don't tell. We'll see what reason they use now that don't ask don't tell is going away...
It should be noted the military academies were recently named the best value in education....an ivy league education in exchange for service and the only real criticism is your instructors have masters degrees...
javaguru
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People only care about Harvard and Yale....Patently false.
Having off campus and on campus programs boils down to semantics...
javaguru
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That's something I didn't address but you spend a shitload (technical term) of time doing work you get no credit for in ROTC.
People only care about Harvard and Yale....
Having off campus and on campus programs boils down to semantics...
Ah, okay. H doesn't have ROTC, but Y does. I don't know the difference between on- or off-campus ROTC.
javaguru
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Ah, okay. H doesn't have ROTC, but Y does. I don't know the difference between on- or off-campus ROTC.
Basically, the program exists but its off campus...which implies they aren't part of the university culture. It's like allowing blacks access to water fountains that aren't used by whites.
Yale Daily news...
Yalies support ROTC return, survey says | Yale Daily News
"A new survey by the Yale College Council reveals substantial student support for ROTC's return to campus."
here is my feedback, the libs that hate the military so much...if we got invaded they would join the enemy esp if it was commie invaders
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