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Oral steroids,oral anabolic steroids,oral steroids cycles.


No matter if you are new to anabolic steroids or have been in the game for decades. Its clear the subject of
Oral steroids is going to arise.

Maybe you are new to steroids and you are looking for a good oral steroids cycles. You been searching the internet for months trying to find the information you are looking for. Sifting threw all the threads and posts. Looking for something anything other then all the oral steroids cycles
bashers that seem to be everywhere.

Maybe you are 3-4-5 cycles deep and you look back on your first cycle and laugh about your first oral anabolic steroids cycle. You ether have memories of it being a good cycle or you did it wrong and now you are just another face among the oral steroid cycle bashers because you messed it all up and now must take it out on the world.


Or you could be a avid oral anabolic steroids lover. You add orals to all your cycles or you run oral steroid cycles all the time.


With all the love/hate for oral steroids and all the confusion about the subject I feel the topic must be covered. In this thread i will go over a lot of the bunk that is out there about oral cycles. Cover the truths and the lies. A in depth look at oral anabolic steroids.
And cover the topic of oral steroids cycles too.


First off lets go over some of the myths about oral steroid cycles.

Myth 1. If you do a oral steroid cycle you will lose all your gains after the cycle.

Truth. That is a bunch of bull crap. Str8 up bull crap. Nothing but 100% bull crap!!!!!!!! If you want to stop some one who says this just simple ask them one question. WHY? aaahaa ddaa aaaah because aaaahhhaa. Ya thats what I thought. Because why?

Although some may come up with a few good answers. One of the common ones will be. Because You can't stay on them long enough. Going on the myth that unless who have done a long cycle and have had the gains from steroids for longer then say 8 weeks you can not keep them. Come the hell on please.

Some of these same people will advocate short injection steroid cycles, and that is perfectly ok. But god if its oral then you can't run a short oral cycle and keep the gains. The fact of the matter is, you can do a short oral steroid cycle and keep the gains just like you can do a short inject cycle and keep the gains. Muscle gained is muscle gains. Once you have the muscle ( note water weight) but muscle how you got it matters nothing!!
Proper pct is all that matters after that. Making sure you bring back the hpta. Which BTW is a hell of a lot harder AFTER A LONG CYCLE!!!

Another fact. You can also do a long oral anabolic steroids cycle. Yes that is right you can safely do long all oral cycles. More on this later.


Myth 2. Injectable Steroids are safer than (ALL) oral steroids:

Truth. A lot of people think that because there are some oral steroids out there that are decidedly liver toxic, all oral steroids must be riskier to use than injectables. The truth is, there are safer and less safe steroids in each category. Woman use almost exclusively all oral steroids cycles. HMMMM take a trip over to the woman forum of any steroid board across the net. 99% of the cycles are ALL oral for them ( my god how the hell are they keeping all there gains woman must be magic). They are keeping there gains. They are not all dieing from liver failure. HMMMM
Gee I wonder. You will see a guy tell another guy you will not keep gains from a all oral cycle, its not safe. Then see that same guy tell a woman ya that's a great cycle. HA HA

Then you will see a person bashing a oral cycle saying its unsafe and then go inject himself with 500-700mg of tren every week. :confused:

Some oral anabolic steroids may carry a great many risks with Them, many more than other drugs that are good for adding size. However,These oral steroids have there place in a drug cycle(or as a cycle) when They are used responsibly, and shouldn't be avoided just because of a list of side effects. Its almost like saying that there are risks when flying and that no one should fly as a result of those risks. Theres no doubt that liver enzymes will be elevated with some oral steroids, that high blood pressure, acne, headaches, aggression and other side effects may rear their ugly heads, however, Many of these oral anabolic steroids can promote size gains like few others. In other words, a powerful drug is still powerful, no matter whether there is negativity associated with it or not. If a steroid is formidable in terms of its ability to affect change and cause growth, and its responsible use will proffer a mostly positive outcome, then its well worth the risk, in my opinion; and just about anyone elses opinion too. However, a person must use it as it is recommended, or at least use it how it is commonly used by others of the same relative weight. The only drug that I strongly disagree upon in terms of this kind of thinking is DNP and insulin. But That is IMO.

The fact is its more of a ( I'm a big bad injecting hero) complex that is going on around all the forums. Along with a lot of misinformation in the mix.


OK first off here is a great thread I made on oral steroid cycles.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...ds-test-boosters-supplements-more-642388.html

It has a step by step basics of oral steroid cycles. Now this is not the only way to do it. You can pm me for more advice on the subject.

You can also pm me for other types of oral steroid cycles or how to effectively use oral steroids and other products for kick starting a cycle,ending a cycle,pre pct to a steroid cycle and much much more.

Thank you and me sure to check out
needtobuildmuscle.com :biggrin::biggrin:
 
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You tell them Needto
Its all about smart sensible selections with everything involved.
Health, training, diet, dosage, pre-cautions, research and follow through.
Anyone who reads these threads is one step closer to achieving all the above.
 
as usual, great read Needto. You should also put something together for the noobs to make them stop being a chicken shit and man up and face the steel:evil: . Oral cycles are fine if they go along with a certain goal you have in mind. Like anadrol only, anavar only, ect... i can see that. But when someone gets a hair up their ass to "try roids":mad: an oral cycle is usually a cop-out.
I have never done an oral only cycle. Being years and a couple handfuls of cycles into this game I am recently intrigued by it. But just because "im scared of needles" or "what if my mom or wife, or girlfriend or gay lover finds my stash of vials and needles ect".... Then you shouldnt be fucking with AAS.

:biggrin: End rant.....Thank you , drive through....
 
orals FTW, i believe you get alot more from oral cycles. Yes oral/test cycle will yield better results. I just think the pump, vascularity and pure strength from oral cycles far outweigh the size you get from indictable. They all have their place and should be incorporated together but if oral only is they way you want to go then its YOUR preference.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
as usual, great read Needto. You should also put something together for the noobs to make them stop being a chicken shit and man up and face the steel:evil: . Oral cycles are fine if they go along with a certain goal you have in mind. Like anadrol only, anavar only, ect... i can see that. But when someone gets a hair up their ass to "try roids":mad: an oral cycle is usually a cop-out.
I have never done an oral only cycle. Being years and a couple handfuls of cycles into this game I am recently intrigued by it. But just because "im scared of needles" or "what if my mom or wife, or girlfriend or gay lover finds my stash of vials and needles ect".... Then you shouldnt be fucking with AAS.

:biggrin: End rant.....Thank you , drive through....
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And that right there is one of the main reasons its been frond on.
 
damn cant read the other thread must be plat member. but good post bro... clears some things up for sure
 
This thread is spot on!
Orals are great,and the damage you get from em is overrated.
Yes most of em are liver toxic,but most of the people dont understand how mutch beating your liver can take before you get permanent liver damage.
Just have a look at all the alcoholics they can keep up with some serious drinking and they are beating the shit out of their liver for 20-30 years without any liver protection.(i dont say they are all helthy but still)
I dont say that all people are the same,some have weaker liver then others.

I used Anadrol for years and my liver value allways got back to normal after a while.
It was 10 years ago and i could not get my hands on liver support and info as easy as now so i used it without any liver protection.
Now however you have loads of good liver products and it is just 1 click away so you can use orals quite safe.

And i have used a shit load of aas and i still say there are NO other aas that can make you grow as fast as anadrol period!!
If you can controll the bloat you can keep some good amount of your gains,you will not loose all gains.
 
Burnthiscorpse said:
as usual, great read Needto. You should also put something together for the noobs to make them stop being a chicken shit and man up and face the steel:evil: . Oral cycles are fine if they go along with a certain goal you have in mind. Like anadrol only, anavar only, ect... i can see that. But when someone gets a hair up their ass to "try roids":mad: an oral cycle is usually a cop-out.
I have never done an oral only cycle. Being years and a couple handfuls of cycles into this game I am recently intrigued by it. But just because "im scared of needles" or "what if my mom or wife, or girlfriend or gay lover finds my stash of vials and needles ect".... Then you shouldnt be fucking with AAS.

:biggrin: End rant.....Thank you , drive through....
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Take the steel in the ass like a man
 
People are so gonna be jealous of my Dbol only cycle.......................:)

RADAR
 
Another Dose comming up tonight "man" I can't hardly wait..............:biggrin:


RADAR
 
No one to this day can give a reason why a oral only cycle is not ok. Not a single fucking person can do it. All the arguments people use are worthless...
 
We have all gotten medication from the pharmacy at one time or another. How many of us read the warning? Even more so how many of us read the little pamphlet that on drug interactions they give you with the medication. You know the little folded up peace of paper with thousands of tiny words.

Well Of course I am write lolol.. Every time i read one there is something that sticks out to me. Almost all of them always say " do not consume with grapefruit juice do to harmful interactions" or something along these lines. Some medications it interacts so much that they find it important to put this directly on the bottle.

So of course this got me thinking why? How does Grapefruit juice effect medication?

So I did some research and I found out as always.

A enzymes in the liver called CYP3A4 and CYP1A2 are responsible for the rake down of many things "including medications. They even does the job of braking down mythelation and or other oral steroids as well. A sabstance in grapefruit juice known as "Naringin" HAs been medically proven to brake down both the CYP3A4 and CYP1A2 enzymes in the liver.

CYP3A4
YP3A4 is a member of the cytochrome P450 superfamily of enzymes. The cytochrome P450 proteins are monooxygenases which catalyze many reactions involved in drug metabolism and synthesis of cholesterol, steroids and other lipids. This protein localizes to the endoplasmic reticulum and its expression is induced by glucocorticoids and some pharmacological agents. This enzyme is involved in the metabolism of approximately half the drugs which are used today, including acetaminophen, codeine, cyclosporin A, diazepam and erythromycin. The enzyme also metabolizes some steroids and carcinogens.[3]

Ingestion of naringin and related flavonoids can also affect the intestinal absorption of certain drugs, leading to increase circulating drug levels.

The discovery that grapefruit juice can increase the oral availability of some medications was an accidental discovery made when grapefruit juice was used to mask the taste of ethanol in a study involving the calcium channel blocker felodipine. Since then, more different drugs have shown to enhance oral availability when consumed with grapefruit juice. Most of the drugs affected by grapefruit juice have highly variable oral bioavailability. In addition, most of these drugs are chiefly metabolized in the body by CYP3A4, an enzyme present in the liver and intestine.
The major effect of grapefruit juice appears to reduce “first-pass” metabolism by reducing CYP3A4 activity.

As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine but to some degree within the liver

After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression. Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours. The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bioavailability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.

Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice/–naringin drug interactions. An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice,and naringin extracts so caution should be exercised with ALL. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect. A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.

There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability. The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.

What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports, it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.


One of the things I found most interesting is when you look for a list of drugs effected by grapefruit juice every known list has "dbol" on this list of drugs effected by grapefruit juice. This means that dbol is Highly effected by the CYP3A4 pathway! and i suspect that many other oral drugs also do go by route of CYP3A4 pathway.

Also a drug known as Cyprotraine a anti androgen/dht, is metabolized by the CYP3A4 enzyme, forming the active metabolite 15β-hydroxycyproterone acetate, which retains its antiandrogen activity, but has reduced progestational activity. Cyproterone acetate increases production of CYP3A4.


Dutasteride and SERMs are also metabolized by the CYP3A4 enzyme.


And lastly here is another list of drugs effected my the p450 enzyme system .


Statins (Cholesterol Lowering Drugs):
-Baycol (Cerivastatin)
-Mevacor (Lovastatin)
-Lipitor (Atorvastatin)
-Zocor (Simvastatin)

Antihistamines:
-Ebastine
-Seldane (Terfenadine, taken off the U.S. market)

Calcium Channel Blockers (Blood Pressure Drugs):
-Nimotop (Nimodipine)
-Nitrendipine
-Plendil (Felodipine)
-Pranidipine
-Sular (Nisoldipine)

Psychiatric Medications:
-Buspar (Buspirone)
-Halcion (Triazolam)
-Tegretol (Carbamazepine)
-Valium (Diazepam)
-Versed (Midazolam)

Intestinal Medications:
-Propulsid (Cisapride, taken off the U.S. market)

Immune Suppressants:
-Neoral (Cyclosporine)
-Prograf (Tacrolimus)

Pain Medications:
-Methadone

Impotence Drug:
-Viagra (Sildenafil)

Miscellaneous

-Losartan (Angiotensin II receptor blocker - ARB) - Grapefruit juice inhibits the body's ability to absorb the drug.
-Digoxin (for treating congestive heart failure) - Grapefruit juice inhibits the body's ability to absorb the drug.


Simple put many oral steroids are greatly enhanced by grapefruit juice or the extract naringin.
 
Andriol: The oral that shuts the "must run test" peoples mouths

My friends as we all know ( from this thread and others) I have made my self one of the front runners and biggest advocates for the all oral cycle. Not because I think they are the best cycles or they are better then injecting. No I have done this to help put an end to all the Bro'ology out there on the forums. Keep in mind there is a huge difference between gymfriend'ology ( which is the worst of all) and Bro'ology. You see because of the internet we have now have excess to far more knowledge and experienced users then we ever did before. Now people don't have to get there steroid information from the local gym dip shit. Now instead of being a dumb ass like there friends and injecting what ever drug they get there hands on we can all learn the right way.

Sadly even among the great knowledge based steroid forums of the internet retardism has emerged in the form of "bro'ology" and we see it every day. Some one starts something some where and then it gets repeated over and over again by the masses of mindless bro's. On the very top of bro'ologies victims list sits "oral cycles". That is correct, bro'ologies biggest victim has been the oral cycle and I been working to change that.

Aside from the "clomid/nolva only for pct" fan club, no group of bro's has kept us in the stone age as much as the naysayers to oral cycles have. Many of us are trying to keep the knowledge on the forums advancing yet these pin heads keep knocking us all back again over and over all over the net. Now through out this thread We have refuted many of the common myths and comments repeated around the internet. But there has been a new retarded comment that has been emerging and that being " all cycles must have testosterone" and since test does not come in a safe oral form then again oral cycles suck.

Well sorry but oral haters you are wrong again!!!!!!! Not only can you run a cycle with out test but HA HA there is forms of oral testosterone TEE HEE.


Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)
O yes its out there my friends. Andriol is one bad ass steroid because besides methyltestosterone its the only other form of oral test out there but get this!!!! It is one of the safest oral steroids out there and has little to no effect on the liver. Its side effects are minimal to almost non at all and not only that it converts to estrogen at a far lesser rate then injectable forms of testosterone. IMo its only down side is price which we will cover later.

Andriol was Developed by the international drug firm Organon, And its one of the more newer bad boys on the block. Becaming available around the early 1980’s. Andriol contains 40 mg of testosterone undecanoate, based in oil (oleic acid) sealed inside a capsule. not counting the ester weight that leaves a dosage of approximately 25mg of sweat ass testosterone per cap!!

Normally Oral testosterone with out methylation would be rendered useless Because reabsorption through the portal vein leads directly to the liver where its then deactivated and can not pass without methylation. Testosterone undecanoate bypasses this action because its absorbed by the intestine through the "lymphatic system" thus making it effective. This is accomplished because of Testosterone undecanoates high fat solubility brought about by the ester, and its suspension in oil. Thus making it a safe, easy on the liver form of oral testosterone.

As stated before the only drawback to this compound is price. In order to get a descent amount of gains from Andriol one must consume at least (320-400mg) a day (8-10 caps). However this is only a problem if one were to use this compound on its own. Remember the subject at hand here is "oral cycle". And the fact that because you cant run test with them they are no good. For that matter IMO a light does of Andriol even as low as 240mg to 300mg can effectively be used in order to keep the side effects of low testosterone at bay!!! And that my friends is where Andriol comes in as the oral cycles uers secrete weapon against the oral cycles nay Sayers out there.

It is a good Idea that all cycles have a test best has always been a common saying around forums. Now oral cycles have there test base too. Now there is nothing a injected cycle has that a oral cycle can't. Yes it could be pricey and of course not every source carries it however its out there and its perfect for anyone who wants to add a little test to there oral cycle. PM me for any advice on this product my friends. As always thank you
 
What about oral tren that is being sold now, what is your opinion of that?

And can you give some great oral cycles along with the cycle length and PCT?

Thanks Needto you're the man
 
greekster said:
What about oral tren that is being sold now, what is your opinion of that?

And can you give some great oral cycles along with the cycle length and PCT?

Thanks Needto you're the man
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I am a pretty big fan of good orals. This however is a great example of a very bad oral steroid. Tren is toxic enough on its own with out mythelating it and making it oral. If you would like some oral cycles you can click the links in my first post they will take you to some. for more you can always pm me your ideas and i will go over them with you
 
For my last cycle i did a combo of d-bol at 20mgs, restandol (240mgs) and proviron at 50mgs. I gained 27lbs and kept about 24.

I run the cycle for 6 weeks.

People who say that oral only cycles suck are ignorant assholes.

At this point i have to mention that i didn't feel shutdown at all while on cycle and believe it or not i gained both strength and size while on pct and i have actually lost bf.
 
Needto is dead on here fellas. Everytime I blast now I run 100mgs of drol a day for 8 weeks and my liver values are barely elevated. When I come off I lose maybe a pound or two. Whats left you ask. Thick hard dense muscle, and strength through the roof.
 
needtogetaas said:
Andriol: The oral that shuts the "must run test" peoples mouths

My friends as we all know ( from this thread and others) I have made my self one of the front runners and biggest advocates for the all oral cycle. Not because I think they are the best cycles or they are better then injecting. No I have done this to help put an end to all the Bro'ology out there on the forums. Keep in mind there is a huge difference between gymfriend'ology ( which is the worst of all) and Bro'ology. You see because of the internet we have now have excess to far more knowledge and experienced users then we ever did before. Now people don't have to get there steroid information from the local gym dip shit. Now instead of being a dumb ass like there friends and injecting what ever drug they get there hands on we can all learn the right way.

Sadly even among the great knowledge based steroid forums of the internet retardism has emerged in the form of "bro'ology" and we see it every day. Some one starts something some where and then it gets repeated over and over again by the masses of mindless bro's. On the very top of bro'ologies victims list sits "oral cycles". That is correct, bro'ologies biggest victim has been the oral cycle and I been working to change that.

Aside from the "clomid/nolva only for pct" fan club, no group of bro's has kept us in the stone age as much as the naysayers to oral cycles have. Many of us are trying to keep the knowledge on the forums advancing yet these pin heads keep knocking us all back again over and over all over the net. Now through out this thread We have refuted many of the common myths and comments repeated around the internet. But there has been a new retarded comment that has been emerging and that being " all cycles must have testosterone" and since test does not come in a safe oral form then again oral cycles suck.

Well sorry but oral haters you are wrong again!!!!!!! Not only can you run a cycle with out test but HA HA there is forms of oral testosterone TEE HEE.


Andriol (testosterone undecanoate)
O yes its out there my friends. Andriol is one bad ass steroid because besides methyltestosterone its the only other form of oral test out there but get this!!!! It is one of the safest oral steroids out there and has little to no effect on the liver. Its side effects are minimal to almost non at all and not only that it converts to estrogen at a far lesser rate then injectable forms of testosterone. IMo its only down side is price which we will cover later.

Andriol was Developed by the international drug firm Organon, And its one of the more newer bad boys on the block. Becaming available around the early 1980’s. Andriol contains 40 mg of testosterone undecanoate, based in oil (oleic acid) sealed inside a capsule. not counting the ester weight that leaves a dosage of approximately 25mg of sweat ass testosterone per cap!!

Normally Oral testosterone with out methylation would be rendered useless Because reabsorption through the portal vein leads directly to the liver where its then deactivated and can not pass without methylation. Testosterone undecanoate bypasses this action because its absorbed by the intestine through the "lymphatic system" thus making it effective. This is accomplished because of Testosterone undecanoates high fat solubility brought about by the ester, and its suspension in oil. Thus making it a safe, easy on the liver form of oral testosterone.

As stated before the only drawback to this compound is price. In order to get a descent amount of gains from Andriol one must consume at least (320-400mg) a day (8-10 caps). However this is only a problem if one were to use this compound on its own. Remember the subject at hand here is "oral cycle". And the fact that because you cant run test with them they are no good. For that matter IMO a light does of Andriol even as low as 240mg to 300mg can effectively be used in order to keep the side effects of low testosterone at bay!!! And that my friends is where Andriol comes in as the oral cycles uers secrete weapon against the oral cycles nay Sayers out there.

It is a good Idea that all cycles have a test best has always been a common saying around forums. Now oral cycles have there test base too. Now there is nothing a injected cycle has that a oral cycle can't. Yes it could be pricey and of course not every source carries it however its out there and its perfect for anyone who wants to add a little test to there oral cycle. PM me for any advice on this product my friends. As always thank you
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Interesting read about oral test. never heard about it till now. Is this a prescription or PH? Can someone use this safely at low doses as a bridge between cycles?
 
needtogetaas said:
If some one tells you oral steroid cycles suck. You tell them needto said go fuck your self.
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Nothing you take will let you bulk like adding an oral to your cycle....I've done over 10 anadrol only cycles and let me tell you, I grow and get stronger EVERY time.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Nothing you take will let you bulk like adding an oral to your cycle....I've done over 10 anadrol only cycles and let me tell you, I grow and get stronger EVERY time.
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Oral cycles rule.. I have seen more people gain " More" and " keep more" off 6 week orals cycles and a well laid out pct then any other cycles.. Sex drive is no longer a product with products like hcgenerate, unleashed/post cycle and some forma-stanzol . Not a issue at all if running hcgenerate during cycle or at the very least some RS-transaderm!!!
 
WOW!!! After my current experience with Sust I think I might try the all oral cycle next! As always, thanks N2 ... you always have the answers when needed!
 
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