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I see more and more fit women and I always wonder ... are they as strong as they look. You think a fit/muscular woman could beat a smaller guy ... in reality?
If these two got in a fight who would win?
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AztecWarrior
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No but maybe a heavy set powerlifter of a women name bertha can.
AztecWarrior
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How do you define the word "fit"? Muscle's doesen't alwats equal you can beat someone's ass.
skyling35
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YouTube - Sports Science: Hits like a Girl, Part 2
If your looking at a trained fighter yeah. Its possible science proves that a woman can hit just as hard.
IF she is using solid technique. << THis is the important part.
If your looking at a trained fighter yeah. Its possible science proves that a woman can hit just as hard.
IF she is using solid technique. << THis is the important part.
Saintinistic
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Skill can level the playing field. But, there are so many factors, like strength, speed, power, reaction time, luck, and seeing an opportunity and making the correct decision.
You never know, till people lock up, who will win. Some people can surprise you. Always be suspect.
You never know, till people lock up, who will win. Some people can surprise you. Always be suspect.
workinglegs
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definitely the case at Toughman Contests. Used to go with friends and bet on each bout. Amazing how many times the little stringy dude who looked like a heroin addict would kick the hell out of a big slow guy ....
Actually it's been scientifically proven that men are stronger than women although women can handle more pain
Think about it, with all the test a man has, how can a woman's strength compare to a man's?? given they both train, not a complete douch who does nothing but drink bear versus a woman pro fighter...
Think about it, with all the test a man has, how can a woman's strength compare to a man's?? given they both train, not a complete douch who does nothing but drink bear versus a woman pro fighter...
I'm not so sure about the handle more pain thing. If anything, it's individual. I know some super tough chicks, and I also know some that would cry if a fly landed on them. Same goes for men.
workinglegs
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okay ... what if it's a girl that's "trained?"
Landospike
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Size rarely wins fights. Heart, training and desire are the traits that win fights.
That doesn't necesarilly mean they can withstand more pain.
A lame thing to debate about, lol.
My dad can beat up your mom
randomly choose any girl and guy
advise them this is a test
pinch them hard on the sensitive outer part of the tricep
see who gets more upset
lol
My dad could beat you up too
its a matter of genetics and how the woman body is "made" it's "created" to withstand more pain so they can handle child birth
my dad is a crazy Dominican, 6'3", and covers up voodoo graves in his spare time so the zombies don't get out.
I understand what you are saying.
What I am saying is most guys can take a punch. Most girls can't.
I guarantee if it was physically possible for a man to give birth, they could withstand the pain just as well.
I've heard people equate the intensity of the pain of getting kicked square in the balls to hours of child birth.
AztecWarrior
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Sounds like a badass to me.
i think he is you know?
I would like to get a beer with him sometime. Sounds like my type of guy
he likes his presidente
AztecWarrior
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The face is a very sensitive part of the body with a lot of nerves and it don't take much to rock someone's world. You have to have somewhat of a tolerance for pain and a good chin to compete in pure striking. You can't hide and you will get hit. No one likes to get hit, but you need balls to take it and you need good skills to give it back even more.
AztecWarrior
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Well, I never want to get on his badside that's for sure. How you doing today?
AztecWarrior
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That's why the freaks that enter into boxing don't normally do well. You get these guys who are great athletically but have no chin or good enough cardio to set the standard pace for pure striking. You can be the fastest runner, lift an ungodly amount of weight, jump the heightest, but if you have no chin, you aren't gonna do shit in pure striking...boxing speacially. What separates one great boxer from another is often intangible things that you cant train or teach like heart, mettle, skill set's, and chin. You have it or you dont. Boxing is where the money is. I've always was amazed at GSP and how gifted he was. Always wondered why someone like him with his talents didn't give boxing ago and try to go for the big bank, then I saw Serra ko him. He has no chin, but in MMA he's a great fighter, but he can hide his weakness with his wrestling. If he was to straight box, he'd be found out really quick. Pure striking is so tough to when fighting other's that have perfected the sweet science at the highest level after years of training. Key word "years" like the starting age of 5. That's very hard for a gifted person from other backgrounds to overcome. You simply can't catch up to there level. You don't enter into boxing at age 25, with great athletic attributes and expect to do well against those kids, who are men with yrs. of training under their belt.
AztecWarrior
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fantabulous as usual
hope your day is just as amazing!!
Thanks. Glad you are having a great day. Enjoy the rest of it.
a punch is a short spurt if pain
you are not comparing apples to apples bro...i know you are doing it for the sake of arguing lol
its oki talk about child birth and you say a punch?? a woman is dilated 11 inches down there and you think its the same as being punched in the face??
a punch is a short spurt if pain
you are not comparing apples to apples bro...i know you are doing it for the sake of arguing lol
i talk about child birth and you say a punch?? a woman is dilated 11 inches down there and you think its the same as being punched in the face??
maybe more like a stab wound. lol
a punch is a short spurt if pain
you are not comparing apples to apples bro...i know you are doing it for the sake of arguing lol
i talk about child birth and you say a punch?? a woman is dilated 11 inches down there and you think its the same as being punched in the face??
maybe more like a stab wound. lol
Oh, and dilation is measured in cm, not in.
AztecWarrior
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Women are made to give birth and men aren't. Might want to take that into consideration.
You boys are still arguing in here?
there is a link of of this one where a dude is taking a hit to the throught and a kick to the nuts with no problem lol.
workinglegs
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well for this question I'm referring to the woman in the picture? agreed on the muscles not always equalling competence in fighting but in this case when the woman is SO much better conditioned???? I wonder what would happen in a physical confrontation?
AztecWarrior
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Like someone said earlier if she was trained, the guy was smaller, and he had no cardio then yea. Basically the guy has to have some disadvantages. I'm not a believer of a women going toe to toe with a man, they should always look for help or carry some type of weapon to be at favor. Women are so beautiful, they don't have to fight. I know women are tough. They can do a lot of things man aren't willing and never can do.
workinglegs
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so IF the she was bigger ... more muscular AND trained ... but he had some cardio he'd still win? I don't buy it. It would come down to who was more aggressive more likely than not .. and if she trained hard enough to look like that ... she's undoubtedly more confident and aggressive too ....
just my two cents ...
AztecWarrior
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You know what I mean. It's not that complex to choose who's at favor in a violent situation. You have that right to have those two sense. I'm just gonna stop here. When you start to go into more detail and tell the truth, people will get thier feelings hurt.
cw801
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I would say to the men out there, that if you are trying to compare the pain of childbirth to something, it's more like someone reaching their fist up through your pee-hole (after spending some time stretching it out first), grappling up through your internal organs, taking a huge handful of them and pulling them back out through that hole......only doing it very slowly so that it takes at least 6 hours - maybe 16. It's the most gawd-awful, excruciating, all enveloping pain imaginable......anything that hurts so much that you beg to have a huge, hollowed out needle shoved into the depths of your spinal clolumn to numb it, can't ever be fully explained. I am a tough girl......I can take broken bones and bad crashes and impacts....but the thought of having another baby will send me into the fetal position in some corner of a dark closet. Just sayin.......
PS - That being said, guys are just better at taking hits.....if they weren't, you'd see a LOT more women in fighting sports.....
PS - That being said, guys are just better at taking hits.....if they weren't, you'd see a LOT more women in fighting sports.....
AztecWarrior
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This is a good post. You women are tough. I wouldn't ever want to be in the position you guys are in for reals.
Now back to the subject. You have to think logically. There are ways women can win but they need advatages. Like a weapon or combat training os some sorts. In a fair fight 99% of the time they loose. The real question is why would a man fight with a women anyway? Speaking for myself, I couldn't lay a finger on a women becuase it's just wrong. Only pussies hit women.
cw801
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Back on the subject.....agreed. From someone who has participated in male dominant sports for most of her life, men are just physically superior - overall. Racing MX, I was at a strength disadvantage over the guys I raced with....but I countered that with my level of cardiovasulcar fitness and by using my lower body in different ways than they did to hang on to my bike when my arms would get tired......but I could never go Pro, because at a higher level, I just couldn't compete with a man's total body strength/endurance. Women's equality is great and all, but Mother Nature just doesn't give a sh*t......the woman would definitely need to fight smarter, and have some ninja skills/weapons she could use.
nicker57
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I've been in Muay Thai and Judo classes since i was little. About 3 weeks ago we were doing sparring at the gym and I got the hell beat out of me by a chick who had been in the Marine Corp for like 10 years. I dont mean like she got the better of me, I mean she beat my ass.
Do not underestimate the power of a woman. Its not man vs woman, its skill vs skill.
Do not underestimate the power of a woman. Its not man vs woman, its skill vs skill.
The test in this video is flawed, each boxer used a different technique, punching the dummy the guy hit it with a left cross from a southpaw stance while the girl hit it with a left hook, started in orthodox and switched to southpaw. Not saying she can't hit hard just that the test had too many uncontrolled variables.
I do agree that technique is more important than muscle power though, in studies it has been shown that the arm movement creates as little as 20% of total force of a punch. The majority being provided by technique kinetic linking and body shifting. Some of the hardest shots I've taken have been from guys with arms like matchsticks.
freakshow85
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Also, it's scientifically proven the more you weigh, the harder you can hit. That's not to say a fat nerd with no idea how to kinetically link his form to his punch will hit harder than a pro @ 165lbs. But all things being equal, more lbs = more punch.
This is true.
Force= mass x acceleration.
Technique helps increase the amount of mass utilised.
However the bigger you get there is often a speed deficit. Not always, it depends on how you develop the mass. Here's an example. I had two students (taekwondo) we'll call them Dan & Joe. Both roughly the same height, Dan a little heavier, both well muscled and fit.
Dan developed his physique with weightlifting, using slow, deliberate controlled reps and heavy weights.
Joe developed his with body weight exercises and a little weight training (squats & cleans only).
Both did plenty of TKD training (3-4 days per week @ 1.5 hours per session)
Although Dan was a lot stronger his punches lacked speed or snap on impact. Joe on the other hand was very fast with a very hard punch (and kick). I'm not suggesting weightlifting makes you slow. I'm fast for my size and I lift weights but I usually do each rep as explosively as I can trying to push the weight as fast as possible, on the positive phase, always controlled for the negative phase. I believe it has contributed to my speed because of the way I lift.
My brother (an engineer) and I did an investigation into the effects of martial arts strikes. The results were quite interesting although not unexpected. Kinetic linking was shown to contribute the most to overall force generated and the arm movement, (just the extension of the arm with no body shifting or kinetic linking), contributed only around 20% of total force when compared to the full technique. As kinetic linking us the hardest part to master, it's the actual neat of the technique, those with little or no training will not be able to generate anywhere near the amount of total force due to poor technique. Using slow motion video you can clearly see good punching technique starts at the feet and moves through the whole body.
Another interesting thing we discovered was that the amount of time the striking tool is in contact with the target makes a big difference, the shorter the time the striking tool (fist, foot, elbow etc.) stays in contact with the target surface the more force is transferred. The best way to explain would be the difference between a push and a punch, you may be able to push an object a lot further than you can punch it however the force is spread over a larger area of the target and the striking tool will actually re-absorb some of the force. When you punch and snap the fist back quickly less force is re-absorbed and less is spread over the target surface.
Coo! I've written a lot. I could go on forever about this! Lol!
freakshow85
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It is interesting to talk about. There's a lot of science behind it, whether the fighters know it or not. I believe "chi" is pretty much what they considered "kinetic linking" in a sense. Pulling energy up through the ground and out their body. Same thing as proper kinetic linking. Good points about the speed of the fighter. Makes me think of Brock Lesnar. That man can MOVE, regardless of his weight. I'd love to have his "supps" and routine down to the dot for a few years.
Chi, lol, that mystical power used by some top martial artists! I have no experience of this, I'm not gonna say it does or doesn't exist. Its not like I'll ever get into a scrap with anyone who can actually use it effectively. I like what you said though. The first time I heard about it I likened it to focus, like when you punch through a board or brick, you need to concentrate and focus all your force into one tiny area.
I've had disagreements with peeps about this though, I look at martial arts (striking at least) with a purely scientific eye. To me it's all physics.
No mysticism.
I've had disagreements with peeps about this though, I look at martial arts (striking at least) with a purely scientific eye. To me it's all physics.
No mysticism.
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