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why don't other countries like the greatest sport in the world? (football)
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PICK3
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real football.
ignorance? confusion? it has the highest level of strategy and athleticism of any sport in the world. what's not to love
Ummmmmh ... that would be MMA.
stosstruppe
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You mean decathlon?
Man for man rugby players have overall better athleticism than NFL players.
stosstruppe
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Geigh sport for fucking fairies.
sarcasm?
Because other countries havn't evolved athletically and intellectually enough to produce a quality football team. Secondly, lack of interest,
they think what they call football (soccer) is the original version of the game. Because our football players wear protective gear and theirs
don't we are deemed as pussies. Also, a lot of countries men are undersized to play football except for Eastern Europe, and Russia. However,
those countries would lack speed opposed to the African nations that do have speed, but lack size.We are a multicultural society; we have
a diverse group of people to pick from opposed to those other countries that don't. Also, football is a complex sport it's not just x's nd o's
there are schemes involved you have to execute, it takes years to fully understand the game opposed to soccer and baseball that are relatively
easy to learn.
they think what they call football (soccer) is the original version of the game. Because our football players wear protective gear and theirs
don't we are deemed as pussies. Also, a lot of countries men are undersized to play football except for Eastern Europe, and Russia. However,
those countries would lack speed opposed to the African nations that do have speed, but lack size.We are a multicultural society; we have
a diverse group of people to pick from opposed to those other countries that don't. Also, football is a complex sport it's not just x's nd o's
there are schemes involved you have to execute, it takes years to fully understand the game opposed to soccer and baseball that are relatively
easy to learn.
stosstruppe
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I need smilies or multiple exclamation marks to trigger my sarcasm detector!!1
euro biased coming out.
no nfl and rugby is the number one american sport we would dominate.
not being a braggart tool, but look at the beasts playing nfl.
domination and the euro cvnts would be so bitter
nimbus
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good analysis here
stosstruppe
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nimbus
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I can't help myself sometimes orb
loll well said
stosstruppe
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Excluding Hispanic, UK is virtually the same as y'all heritage-wise bro (vikings / saxons / slavic / normans / celts / negros etc).
I'm sorry!!! I didn't mean to snub our brethren from the UK. After-all your the
ones that started all the multiculturalism by colonizing 3/4 of the world. And I
also forgot America is just a by-product of England. That being said, why is
it that other countries don't embrace our beloved game of football?
calveless wonder
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you're honestly going to compare a complex team sport with a vast amount of working parts and roles to a 1 on 1 fight, as far as being strategic?
give me a break. the complexity of a teams playbook, the individual roles and blocking schemes, and the audibles and calls at the line make it by far the most strategic sport in existence.
football is a chess match...with a bunch of 4.5 running 280 lbs negros at the coachs disposal
btw nigbus the reason football isnt the most popular sport in other countries is just because that. It's hard to just "pick up" football for an outsider. think of why girls hate madden more than any other game? if you understand the game, is when you really appreciate it. Soccer is popular because it's such an old sport and there's not a huge learning curve (to follow)
it sucks, american football deserves alot more credit.
PICK3
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Nope ... the argument was about the "highest level of athleticism"
The "mixed" component of MMA that is demonstrated by the likes of GSP who would rank "world class" in several disciplines to include wrestling, BJJ, boxing, kickboxing, etc ... qualifies as the highest level of athleticism far exceeding the skill set of playing one position in one sport.
Spoken like a true rugby player.
digimon7068
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i played rugby in college (2nd row and 8-man). . .i would have much rather been playing football. . .so much more exciting. . .so much more glory. . .so much more heavy hitting. . .but, it's what i was raised on. . .i don't know any better. . .most other sports seem truly boring (to me) by comparison. . .i say a little prayer every night, that my son (only 4 y/o right now) will get the bug. . .i'd give just about anything to be sitting in the stands, under the lights on a cool, fall friday night 10 years from now, watching him crack the starting line up as a high school freshman.
Brocephus, I'd love to see NFL players take off all that shit they wear to protect their delicate little heads and necks and hips and shoulders and go commando. Rugby players do that every game.
nimbus
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i'd love to see a trash talking rugby player's face after stutting onto the nfl field with his equipment on like a badass and then getting hit by brian dawkins or rodney harrison for the first time.
i'd also love to see ray lewis and keith brooking step onto the rugby field and terrorize the countryside.
rugby players are not as a strong, not as fast, and don't get hit as hard. they'd get eaten for lunch by any linebacker and lots of safeties
digimon7068
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a couple of lessons i learned when i first started playing rugby. . .
1) you DON'T hit as hard as you do in football. . .those pads and helmets actually work,
2) you don't aim your nose for your opponent's belly button on a straight up, open field tackle. . .if you do, and you catch a knee, your nose will get splattered,
3) when tackling at an angle, put your head behind, not in front of your opponent's torso (exact opposite of football) lest you "dislocate" your up field ear (i saw one kinda hangin' by a thread once. . .yikes) when the two of you land on top of it and then skid down the field after your "successful" tackle.
there are a number of other subtle nuances. . .but those are three pretty important ones.
calveless wonder
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you also bolded the part that said "highest level of strategy".
anyways, even that point is moot because "athleticism" refers to raw athletic ability. it is not comprised of acquired technical skills.
MMA takes a lot of different skill sets and practice, and great physical conditioning but these guys do a very specific type of sport. if you took them and put them in other sports i'd bet you they wouldn't be very good from an athletic standpoint. at least an NFL player can be a kimbo slice light off the bat
stosstruppe
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For about 5-10 minutes maybe, after which they'd all be standing on the 22 sucking in air like they'd just run a marathon trying to keep up with the pace of the game.
I would pay good money to see a charity rugby union match between professional rugby players & NFL players. It would have to be rugby because yea let's face it, it's a waaaaaaaaaaay easier learning curve than learning 'merkin football.
Digimon, you really don't put your head to the outside when putting in a tackle?
Anyway, it really is a fucking shame we're not big on American football. At least then there'd be something half decent to watch on the sports channels instead of soccer soccer soccer.
stosstruppe
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Heck I'd pay good money to see that too. Let's see how willing 280lb men running 4.5sec whatevers are willing to put in tackles as they do now without it.
nimbus
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for the record i think rugby players are a lot more hardcore than most fb players and i have a lot of respect for them. i'm definitely not saying they aren't tough
but i still think football has a much higher caliber of athletes, and maybe it is the pads and helmets that allow them to thrive and last in the league. But i'd rather see football players hit super hard and not get superficially hurt, than rugby players hit a lot less hard and get mangled
but i still think football has a much higher caliber of athletes, and maybe it is the pads and helmets that allow them to thrive and last in the league. But i'd rather see football players hit super hard and not get superficially hurt, than rugby players hit a lot less hard and get mangled
Ezekiel
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Ya, what he said!
I have guys fighting this weekend in Nanaimo, BC King Of the Cage. woo Hoo!
If we are talking American Football, then i would say it's kind of a slow game to watch... 30 seconds of action 5 min break, 30 second of action, 5 min break and so on...
BBR100
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I love football but there are 50+ players on a team + practice roster + players on IR.
It's become overanalyzed and overspecialized.
You can't generalize and say "football players" are the most athletic. They all have their specialties.
A lineman certainly can't be considered the most athletic
It's become overanalyzed and overspecialized.
You can't generalize and say "football players" are the most athletic. They all have their specialties.
A lineman certainly can't be considered the most athletic
uh, you're joking right? OF COURSE they aren't hit as hard. They aren't wearing full body armor like NFL players. Not as strong or fast I think is best accounted for by the likelihood of far less performance enhancing drug use.
Actually, being hit by someone wearing full body armor would be a worse impact opposed
to someone with no protective equipment. When asked what it was like playing running
back in the NFL(Emitt Smith) replied"like being in a car crash 20 times in one day".
When i played Pop Warner football in the early eighties we were taught to hit with the
crown of our helmets. I seen more people get knocked the fuck out because some maniac
came running full speed with his helmet aimed at the opponents head. That's why hitting
with the crown of your helmet is outlawed.
The helmets they wear are hard plastic that can do severe damage to knees, arms, and
especially heads that's why the concussion rate in the NFL is so high.
As for the performance enhancing drugs all that does is enhance their ability to do more
bodily harm. I rather get hit by a 190 lb rugby player without gear on, then a 260 lb
raving maniac that runs a 4.3 forty juiced-up with 40lbs of gear on coming at me like a freight train. I curl up in a fetal position.
billfred
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^^ This
Very few american football players have the conditioning to play rugby. Most are too big to be in constant motion like that.
I read that there's only about 12 minutes (an NBA quarter, in which every second is played) of actual playtime in an NFL football game. When that's stretched out over the course of 3 hours I'm sure many people figure they can find much better uses of their time.
stosstruppe
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Seriously, that's the ratio of live play to "dead ball"?
Yeah, just check out such extreme athletecism coming from the likes of Tim Sylvia, Cabbage Correira and Tank Abbot. True athletes there, LMAO!!!
But, yes I do appreciate the athletecism of most MMA fighters, and GSP was a great example.
It was a little off the cuff stat thrown out in a story for a playoff game this past year.
stosstruppe
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Well... suppose it's easier to drink beer & talk shit with your mates over a 3 hour NFL game than a 90min rugby match.
nimbus
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you aren't actually refuting any of my points
nimbus
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this is true, i think the lineman tie more into the strategy aspect than the athleticism part. I should rephrase that football has the best athletes, but they aren't all good athletes
nimbus
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the breaks are when you get to think about strategy; i really like the balance
Scotsman
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Completely depends on your definition of athletic. Yes a lineman isn't going to sprint as far or fast as a wide reciever, but lets see what happens to one of the little guys hitting another 300lb+ guy 150 times a game. Based on strength output and workload lineman are in fact the most athletic people on the field. Everyone else for the most part just runs and gets hit periodically/has to do anything remotely strength related.
Cheers,
Scotsman
Scotsman
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If you think that the world class rugby players aren't just as juiced up if not more so than football players then you are just plain being naive.
Cheers,
Scotsman
javaguru
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Scotsman...you're one of my favorite posters...no nonsense and ok with being politically incorrect. I have your back and I'm willing to try hagas...
Even though we have come to virtual words...
Scotsman
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Scotsman...you're one of my favorite posters...no nonsense and ok with being politically incorrect. I have your back and I'm willing to try hagas...
I like you too Java, always been one of my favs. Fuck being politically correct, there's no point in it. Seriously Haggis if made right is one of the best things ever, never met anyone who tried good haggis and didn't like it. Bad haggis on the other hand is an atrocity against man.
Cheers,
Scotsman
javaguru
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I like you too Java, always been one of my favs. Fuck being politically correct, there's no point in it. Seriously Haggis if made right is one of the best things ever, never met anyone who tried good haggis and didn't like it. Bad haggis on the other hand is an atrocity against man.
Cheers,
Scotsman
Once again, I the cut of your jib...self deprecating and honest. Too many play the game as opposed to typing what they think....old school honor...
shibs
Stay frosty
What about the comradery aspect? 
Idk what kind of training camps etc rugby players go through, but football players go through a lot of shit...
I played highschool ball, and i know that during the offseason i saw all those cock suckers in the weight room, at football camp, doubles, and doing agilities nearly all year round.
Idk what kind of training camps etc rugby players go through, but football players go through a lot of shit...
I played highschool ball, and i know that during the offseason i saw all those cock suckers in the weight room, at football camp, doubles, and doing agilities nearly all year round.
I think I'm fancy naive.
Scotsman
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Is that like the difference between fancy table ketchup and regular ketchup?
ie. one is more expensive than the other but virtually the same thing.
Cheers,
Scotsman
i love you but this arguement is kinda played out here.
all the gear that protects their delicate little heads and look at the injuries.
every year, for example, a handful of kids get paralyzed in the state of texas...there is a org for them.
just one state and high school atheletes are becoming permantely wheel chaired.
imagine the countrywide stats, even a few deaths every year.
and that's with the wimpy pads and hundreds of lbs less than college or nfl players.
having a nfl player not wear a helmet is like having a mlb slugger not to use a bat kinda a rediculous thing imo
canadianhitman
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I love football...played it in HS...but it ain't got shit on hockey. Violent collisions at higher speeds than football or rugby, sometimes involving stationary boards and plexiglass with very little give, a frozen rubber projectile that can move at up to 105mph, played on a surface as hard as concrete, plus fighting thrown in for good measure. Now THAT'S a sport!
Lacrosse is the fastest game on two feet. Hockey is great, just not the NHL product nowadays.
meh, i think the injury stats would clearly indicate the nfl is the most dangerous and violent professional sports.
hits are a little more wrecking when your feet are cleated and planted in ground
canadianhitman
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Wrong...I've seen more guys carried off the ice KOed than I've seen carried off the field.
Exhibit A:
Exhibit B:
Exhibit C:
The increased speed more than compensates for not being 'cleated'. An nhl hockey player with a head of steam travels at 27mph....an nfl football player at 17mph. That 10mph difference is HUGE when calculating the force of a collision.
canadianhitman
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canadian hitman how many deaths happen in high school hockey?
how many young bros paralyzed, happens every year in texas alone.
no comparison sorry bro
Unfortunately, plenty of paralysis resulting from spinal injuries...even earlier than high school sometimes. Mind you, it's usually from hits into the boards...as hockey players aren't delivering hits with their helmets.
javaguru
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Actually, protective gear leads to higher rates of traumatic injuries. Athletes "pull up" knowing that hitting someone full force will break their own bones or give them a concussion. The NFL has much higher rates of traumatic injuries as opposed to rugby because they have a false sense of security due to wearing pads.
This is a well established fact, boxing is much more dangerous than bare knuckle fighting. You punch someone full force and you break your hand, I have experienced this phenomena, but I can punch someone in the head as hard and fast as I can without fear of injury wearing a boxing glove.
